Language in Navigator
 

Hi.

First post here.


I was wondering about a couple of things i hope someone in here can help me with.


I just bougt a BMW X5, 2001 3.0i. With it i got the 4:3 monitor and what i think is the MK3 computer.

The computer says GPS NAVIGATION SYSTEM on the front, nothing about DVD's, so i guess it can only be the mk3.

The computers # is 22SY591/23B. HW1.1 SW3.00


The monitor says SW 3-1/63


Anyways.. the problem i have, is that the language on the monitor is set to german. The menus are in german and the voice is in german.

http://a5.vox.com/6a00e398d5235f00040100a8056295000e-pi

In the settins menu, there is an option to change the language to GB, which i recon is british, but when selected, it just ignores it and keep it german.? Anyone have an input on this.?

http://a3.vox.com/6a00e398d5235f00040100a805629b000e-pi


Also, when i set time, limit etc. It seemes to ignore what i put in.. There is no time showing anywhere, no warning is heard when exceeding the limit i put in..

http://a5.vox.com/6a00e398d5235f00040100a805629d000e-pi



Can i update the software for this navigator.? I would appreciate some links to guides for this as i am quite unexperienced with this.

Also, if i where to update my system, could i start with a 16:9 monitor with the current computer, and later on put in a mk4.? Or the other way around, start with a mk4 and the current monitor..

thanks in advanced..:)

> The monitor says SW 3-1/63

That's a Mk3 with the last and latest SW version on it.

> In the settins menu, there is an option to change the language to GB, which i recon is british, but when selected, it just ignores it and keep it german.? Anyone have an input on this.?

Maybe it has a custom OS loaded, but more likely memory is faulty.

> Also, when i set time, limit etc. It seemes to ignore what i put in.. There is no time showing anywhere, no warning is heard when exceeding the limit i put in..

Note: you have to either set date before time - or time before date - for the clock to work. Try both ways around.

Does the time appear in the instrument cluster OK?
the clock is actually in the instrument cluster, and the nav takes the time data from the cluster and displays it on the nav.
So when you set the time it sends a "set time to xxxx" command to the cluster and the cluster adjusts its clock.
Then the cluster sends the time back to the nav and the nav displays it.
So a key check is to see if the cluster is accepting the time change.

Check if you can read the consumtption figures etc - if so then the databus connection to the instrument cluster is working.

But maybe the inability to remember/set time settings is also due to faulty memory.

Easiest way to solve would be to buy a Mk4 - enjoy much faster speeds, 3D display, and more...

> Can i update the software for this navigator.?

No, you have the last version ever made. There's nothing newer than 3-1/63

> Also, if i where to update my system, could i start with a 16:9 monitor with the current computer, and later on put in a mk4.? Or the other way around, start with a mk4 and the current monitor..

Either or, both ways work.

Thanks for a fast a good answer.:)



>Maybe it has a custom OS loaded, but more likely memory is faulty.


Okey.. Either way theres probably not much i can do about that.?


>Note: you have to either set date before time - or time before date - for the clock to work. Try both ways around.


Okey, havent done that.. Ill give it a go...



>Does the time appear in the instrument cluster OK?
the clock is actually in the instrument cluster, and the nav takes the time data from the cluster and displays it on the nav.
So when you set the time it sends a "set time to xxxx" command to the cluster and the cluster adjusts its clock.
Then the cluster sends the time back to the nav and the nav displays it.
So a key check is to see if the cluster is accepting the time change.


Thats the thing. The cluster does not show the time..?? I can read average consumption, average speed and temperature.. I think thats about it.. I found this a bit strange when i bought the car, but did not think too much about it..


>Easiest way to solve would be to buy a Mk4 - enjoy much faster speeds, 3D display, and more...


I would like to just buy the mk4, but i guess with the 16:9 monitor its gonna be quite expensive.....




The car was imported to Norway from USA in 2002.. At that time there was a cd player in the car. Not sure if there was any navigation.. The cd player was replaced to correspond with the european standard..

> Either way theres probably not much i can do about that.?

There's always the option of sending it to VDO in Wetzlar Germany for repair.

> Thats the thing. The cluster does not show the time..?? I can read average consumption, average speed and temperature..

Check again by setting date and time together. Observe if cluster reacts to new time request.

If you use my NavCoder software you can observe if the nav sends the correct time request to the cluster, and can thus confirm if the clock problem is in the cluster (faulty clock) or in the nav (not sending the correct command)

Hmmm..


Ijust tried to set the time and then date and oppsite, but the navigator just seem to ignore what i put in..

The cluster is showing the following thing, and only that in this order.


Black (off), temp C, l/100km, km left with current fuel, average speed.

When i enter the settings in the navigator, im not able to set time or date. In the same menu, i can not change the 12, 24 hour clock.. Set to 24 hours.

Date format can not be altered from dd.mm to mm.dd

The distans can not be changed from km to mph

Usage not altered from l/100km to mpg
Temperature can not be changed nor the memo option which has ein and aus. (German)


Also as mentioned, when entering the driving computer on the navigator, i can not set a limit value, or it ignores what i put in. Also the usage 1 and 2 is not showing anything, nor distans or timer..

Seems like there is not much i can change..:(

Could this be because not everything is set up between the cluster and the computer? Or is it just that my computer is not operating as it should...

where can i find the Navcoder software,? And is it easy to use.?

Thanks for all the help so far KiwiJochen..:)

I find it hard to believe what you say!

Can you film trying to change a setting and post a video on you tube?

When you change eg time, can you properly select the different time values?
(highlight the figure you want to change, click, turn to adjust, then click to save)

NavCoder is here:
http://www.bimmerboard.com/members/k...l/NavCoder.zip

Has the car been coded to Europe?
Won't help your problem but will put everything into Euro-mode and eliminate annoying american "Accept" screen

Ill try and get a film out over the weekend.. It seeems like something is not as it should..

It seems, that you have Instrument cluster low.
You can check it easily:
LOW:
http://www.patina-fahrzeugteile.de/r...+E38TR+001.jpg
HIGH:
http://willz.ca/images/Canadiane39speedo.jpg

If you have Inst. Cl. LOW, it cannot communicate with you nav system. In this case the NAV system in your car is retrofitted, but the cluster is not suitable for the retrofit.

Here is a picture of my dash...:

http://a5.vox.com/6a00e398d5235f0004010980b19b45000b-pi





And here is two videos demonstrating my cluster and computer..:

cluster:

http://ekvals.vox.com/library/video/...8e3a70005.html


Computer:

http://ekvals.vox.com/library/video/...8e47a0005.html


Any help would be much appreciated..:)

Your problem is very simple

Your X5 never had nav when it left the factory.

The nav has been retrofitted at some stage and is working perfectly.

HOWEVER: you have the LOW instrument cluster, which cannot deliver the necessary data that the nav wants (trip computer data, time, date etc) because the low cluster (low IKE) is not intended to be used with the nav. An X5 with factory nav ALWAYS has the high cluster (high IKE). Only the high IKE has all the data.
All the data that is not working - clock, date, trip computer, limit - is all held inside the instrument cluster and managed by the high instrument cluster. The nav is just a display and keyboard.

You only have two possible solutions to choose from:

1. Keep nav and replace current low instrument cluster with HIGH cluster then you have EVERYTHING working properly.

2. Keep cluster and replace nav with standard radio, and everything will work properly except you have no nav (but I wouldn't do this, would you?)

3. Leave as is :-)

I can show you a way to change the language into English as a work-around, which will likely work. To do this we take a standard OS disc, and replace the German text with English. The nav thinks it is German, but English will be displayed. But I recommend replacing the instrument cluster with the HIGH cluster.

An retrofit instruction exists for the E39, which is very similar to the E53 in terms of electronics. It's on the net, google for "retrofit high ike to E39" or similar and you'll find lots of info.
The high instrument cluster requires an adapter cable loom, and a new water level sensor in the radiator expansion chamber, a new expansion chamber, and then it has to be programmed to your car.

More info: on www.bimmerboard.com there's lots of retrofit info, like here:

http://www.bimmerboard.com/forums/posts/423059/

And here some info in X5world from people who have done low to high IKE retrofits:
http://www.xoutpost.com/navigation-sy...rofit+high+ike

Okey...

Then it makes sense..:

I guess i would like to switch the cluster eventually.. Probably the easiest way.?

I need to read a bit before i get into that though.. Seemes like ther need to be some coding done when inserting the new cluster..

Ill try to get up to date by readig a bit..

But the english language part is something id like to get done straight away..
I can do this with the way everything is set up now, right.??

Where can i find more info about this.?

Look for NavTweak and google for how to use it.

With NavTweak you can edit the OS image, and copy the Englsih text to the German text.

Ive read a bit about navtweak and getting the sense of it.. need to check a bit more, but where can i find the OS files.??

The ones to edit..? And then put back in the nav..? If i understand it right, i have to edit some files using navtweak, burn them in a certain way with navtweak and then boot the nav with the cd in.?

Thanks.

The OS files are on the OS disc.

Get the OS disc and browse for the files

Post #35 of the NavTweak thread clearly states you edit the NAVBOOT which is here:
V_2\RR\0101\BMWC01S\app_sw\

Ekvals has mk3 (see it on the linked pics), so he has to modify the usw_load file in the following folders:
Mk3\0103\BMWC01S\app_sw\
Mk3\0116\BMWC01S\app_sw\
Mk3\0127\BMWC01S\app_sw\

Tip: the folders represent the HW version of the nav

My Mk3, and I believe most Mk3s, are HW version 0116.
You can read the HW version in the Service Menu

So you only need to modifiy the usw_load in the 0116 directory structure.

But i dont have os disk..? Never seen it.. Can i download the files anywhere, or are these specific for the specified nmk..?




Okey. I do have the mk3, good to know.. Thanks.:)

The links in the post did not work, but im sure ill find them on the forum or elsewhere..

Should i use 29.1 for Mk3..? And not an os with a higher number.?

Ver. 22 or above in Mode 2 will give you the same result.

Are you still here Kiwi jochen.?

I have downloaded navtweak, and the 27 os..

I can locate the usw_loadd file under the 0116 folder which again is under the mk3 folder.

However, there are two folders in the 0116 folder, BMWC01S and BMWM01S.. From which folder should i edit the usw_load file.?

Also, i can not find any info about how to make the nev thiink its showing german, while it's really showing english.

Hope you can help..

CO1S is color monitor nav and MO1S is monochrome radio nav.

Okey.. Thanks.

I will be using the C01S then..

I was skiing but I'm here now.

As mentioned, BMWC = Colour and BMWM = Mono.
You need to edit Colour

As to how to make nav show English when set to German, simply replace the German text with English text

Nice, skiing..

Okey, ill replace the german language with the english..

And afterwards i burn the boot cd according to instructions, and put it in the sat.?

BTW:

I downloaded the v27. Do i just edit the files i need, and then burn all the folders on to the cd.?

I guess there are a lot of files which is not needed for my setup.?

And do iu need to do the lines in the language one by one.?

Thats gonna take a while....

Use "Export" and "Import" buttons. Takes about 30 seconds.

Im sorry, but im new at this..

I have version 2.6 and i can not find any export import..:)

Thanks kiwi..

Then you need to get NavTweak v2.7

Okey. I see..

Any tip on where i can find the 2.7 vversion.?

I googled it without any luck.. The only link on the forum i can find is for 2.6

Hunt, it's there somewhere

I can not for the life of me find the 2.7 software..!!

Is it a payware.? Or is it not supposed to be available for ordinary people.?

I gave you the link to 2.7 in your separate topc... Good luck

Okey.

I have edited all the file in the dutch lang file and replaced them with the english.

Can i then just make a iso file from the new edit os files and burn on a cd..?

I found your guide on bimmerforum, and followed your procedure.

When i put the cdd in the nav it said it was an invalid disk and ejected it..

Is that because its not reading the cd, or because i did something wrong setting it up.?

What and how you've done? Step by step...

Okey.

I downloaded the 27v.

I loaded the mdf image with daemon, and copied the whole content to my hard drive.

Then i opened usw_load file ound under Mk3\0116\BMWC01S\app_sw folder.

I replaced the language in the deutsch folder with the english language with navtweak 2.7, and saved the file in the smae location as before.

Then i installed an hex editor and edited the two files, sw_rel.tbl and lng_rel.tbl found under the Mk3\0116\BMWC01S\ folder. I changed the last line on the top to 0640app sw/.
(I have never done this before, so i really dont know if i did it right.)

Then i used mode2cdmaker to make a bin and cue file with all the edited files. Afterwards, i burnet a cd at 1x speed using imgburn.

According to img_burn, the image was a Mode2/form1 file.

When burned and checked, found no errors, i tried it with the nav system.

Thanks for all the help guys..

Don't extract all the image.... It is enough to take only app_sw and *.tbl files and then insert it into the image and save the image.......

I think this is the reason of error

Okey.

So i only need the app_sw files and the tbl files on the cd.?

Do I just put all of them on the root of the cd, call it NAV_SW and burn it.?

Yes.... just extract only the required files and after modification just put it back to the original places

Okey..

Got a bit confused again..

I only edited the files three files in the 0116 folders as mentioned earlier..

Do i burn the cd with all the folders and files that come with the 27v img, with the modified files.?

Or do i make a cd with only the three modified files.?

Yes, you should put modified files into SW image, save it and burn whole the image (with all folders and modified files inside) to the CD