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Eric5273 · #71 06-09-2006, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Lambeau

There is no "passing of D.U. through semen" as you say. D.U. once in the body is of a heavy metal toxicity where it is absobed into the body and can not be passed from one person to another.

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/ss/stories/s580857.htm

Quote from Dr. Helen Caldicott, a nuclear scientist who has studied DU:

"Yes, uranium 238 is called depleted uranium because 235 has been removed which is a fissionable portion. It’s only present in 0.7% when you mine it, it’s enriched to 3% for nuclear power and over 50% for weapons, so the stuff left behind is useless, it’s very radioactive, it’s all the stuff up at Ranger and Olympic Dam and all over the place. But it’s 1.7 times more dense than lead. Now, shells are usually made of lead or titanium, which is more expensive. So this stuff’s free, so if you make shells out of it, it actually, at high momentum, penetrates the armour of tanks, slices through it like a hot knife through butter. But when it hits it, it’s pyrophoric and burns and produces tiny particles less than 5 microns that are inhaled into the terminal air passages. Now this is an alpha emitter, highly carcinogenic, so it sits in the lungs for many years irradiating a small volume of cells and causes lung cancer. It’s translocated from the lungs, excreted through the kidneys where it can cause kidney cancer or bladder cancer, it’s a heavy metal where it can produce renal failure. It’s deposited in bones like calcium where it can cause leukaemia and/or bone cancer.

The men who fought in the Gulf War, they are excreting uranium in their semen; they call it 'burning semen' and their wives notice it too. Now what’s in the semen? The genes for all future generations."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/95178_du12.shtml

Quote from Dr. Doug Rokke, the U.S. Army doctor who headed the Army's DU cleanup effort in Iraq after the Gulf War:

"Verified adverse health effects from personal experience, physicians and from personal reports from individuals with known DU exposures include reactive airway disease, neurological abnormalities, kidney stones and chronic kidney pain, rashes, vision degradation and night vision losses, lymphoma, various forms of skin and organ cancer, neuropsychological disorders, uranium in semen, sexual dysfunction and birth defects in offspring."

"Since 1991, numerous U.S. Department of Defense reports have said that the consequences of DU were unknown. That is a lie. We warned them in 1991 after the Gulf War, but because of liability issues, they continue to ignore the problem."

"Their arrogance is beyond comprehension. We have spread radioactive waste all over the place and refused medical treatment to people . . . it's all arrogance.

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=6232

Quote from Dr. Leuren Moret who is a geoscientist who worked at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab for many years. She was involved in many of the govenrment radiation cleanup investigations, and she eventually resigned her position claiming there was massive fraud going on. She was called as an expert to testify to the U.N. subcommission investigating depleted uranium.

The soldiers from Gulf War I in a group of 67 soldiers who came back, they had DU in their equipment, in their clothes, in their bodies, in their semen, and they had normal babies before they went over there to war. They came back, and the VA did a study. Of 251 Gulf War I veterans in Mississippi, in 67 percent of them, thier babies born after the war were deemed to have severe birth defects. They had brains missing, arms and legs missing, organs missing. They were born without eyes. They had horrible blood diseases. It’s horrific. If you want to look at something, Life magazine did a photo essay which is still on the Internet. It’s called "The Tiny Victims of Desert Storm." You should look at that -- oh, my God, the post-Gulf War babies playing with their brothers and sisters who are normal. Basically, it’s like smoking crack, only you’re smoking radioactive crack. It goes straight into the blood stream. It’s carried all throughout the body into the bones, the bone marrow, the brain. It goes into the fetus. It’s a systemic poison and a radiological poison.

http://www.nap.edu/books/030907178X/html/157.html

In a subgroup of Gulf War veterans with embedded DU fragments in soft tissues and muscles, semen ejaculates contained uranium.

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.p...50429121615724

troops who were only exposed to DU for the brief period of the war were still excreting uranium in their semen 8 years later and some had 100 times the so-called 'safe limit' of uranium in their urine.

And of course these same symptoms are being seen in Iraqi civilians:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/95178_du12.shtml

The photos represent the surge in birth defects -- in 1989 there were 11 per 100,000 births; in 2001 there were 116 per 100,000 births -- that even before they heard about DU, had doctors in southern Iraq making comparisons to the birth defects that followed the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII.

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artm...w.cgi/37/11023

Doctors in Iraq have estimated that birth defects have increased by 2-6 times, and 3-12 times as many children have developed cancer and leukaemia since 1991. Moreover, a report published in The Lancet in 1998 said that as many as 500 children a day are dying from these sequels to war and sanctions and that the death rate for Iraqi children under 5 years of age increased from 23 per 1000 in 1989 to 166 per thousand in 1993. Overall, cases of lymphoblastic leukemia more than quadrupled with other cancers also increasing 'at an alarming rate.' In men, lung, bladder, bronchus, skin, and stomach cancers showed the highest increase. In women, the highest increases were in breast and bladder cancer, and non-Hodgkin lymphoma.

These same symptoms are also being seen by the population in the Balkians and the NATO troops who served there in the 1990s. Just a coincidence?

http://fletcher.tufts.edu/news/2001/february/fahey.html

Despite scant coverage in the U.S. media, a controversy over depleted-uranium ammunition used in the Gulf and Balkan wars has been raging in Europe. Several governments that provided troops for these conflicts fear that a rash of unexplained illnesses in veterans--including hemorrhaging, tumors and cancers--may have been caused by ammunition fired by U.S. warplanes.

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.p...50429121615724

Tellingly, so are EU soldiers who served as peacekeepers in the Balkans, where DU was also used. Indeed their leukemia rate has been so high that several EU governments have protested at the use of DU.

And it is beginning to show up in Afghanistan:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3050317.stm

A small sample of Afghan civilians have shown "astonishing" levels of uranium in their urine.

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Lambeau · #72 06-09-2006, 07:04 AM

You keep pulling up these references from who? Liberals that just happen to have educational/career credentials. Just because they work at Livermore for example means everything they write is gospel? A liberal will use their typical means of propaganda passing (media) to pass their B.S. at every opportunity. Below you quoted:

that are inhaled into the terminal air passages. Now this is an alpha emitter, highly carcinogenic, so it sits in the lungs for many years irradiating a small volume of cells and causes lung cancer. It’s translocated from the lungs, excreted through the kidneys where it can cause kidney cancer or bladder cancer, it’s a heavy metal where it can produce renal failure. It’s deposited in bones like calcium where it can cause leukaemia and/or bone cancer.

This is true, but U-238 (D.U.) is not "passed" from semen. The last sentence says it's "deposited". It's not passed. Yes, the DNA in the semen may be affected but a male can not pass something that's been deposited somewhere else. Your sources are trying to make this sound as dangerous as possible and to say radiation is passed from semen is an attempt to do that.

Did you finally give up on the BLU-113 having D.U.? I've seen these weapons in person, have you? Didn't think so.

You liberals have attempted to use the media to pass such far-fetched information so often that mainstram America does not even believe you any longer. The perfect example is the Dan Rather incident when he's trying to bash the presidents military record. Anytime a liberal states anything on the media now it's ignored as the public knows it's just an ATTEMPT to push B.S. just for the sake of political gain.

Even with the liberal media on your side and having such vast means to spread your B.S. you still got your ass kicked in the election. Your president is doing just fine and he'll be here...
1000 MORE DAYS!!!!!

Parker · #73 06-09-2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Lambeau

You keep pulling up these references from who? Liberals that just happen to have educational/career credentials. Just because they work at Livermore for example means everything they write is gospel? A liberal will use their typical means of propaganda passing (media) to pass their B.S. at every opportunity. ......
".....Yes, the DNA in the semen may be affected but a male can not pass something that's been deposited somewhere else. "
Did you finally give up on the BLU-113 having D.U.? I've seen these weapons in person, have you? Didn't think so.

You liberals have attempted to use the media to pass such far-fetched information so often that mainstram America does not even believe you any longer. The perfect example is the Dan Rather incident when he's trying to bash the presidents military record. Anytime a liberal states anything on the media now it's ignored as the public knows it's just an ATTEMPT to push B.S. just for the sake of political gain.

Even with the liberal media on your side and having such vast means to spread your B.S. you still got your ass kicked in the election. Your president is doing just fine and he'll be here...
1000 MORE DAYS!!!!!

Just an outsiders view and without trying to pick sides in the whole liberal/conservative debate, I think you are far to concerned with politicizing some of these claims as Liberal "B.S." The fact that you are willing to concede that "Yes, the DNA in the semen may be affected " should give you great pause. When men and women such as yourselves go off to fight the wars our leaders have started do you not deserve to have your long-term welfare be a prime consideration of political and military leaders alike? Should troops be equated to munitions? Are they to be expended like bullets are, used up and writtren off in the name the cause? I hope not. When studies and claims emerge contending that environmental hazards created by the military ( either sides military) are causing long term health hazards for servicemen and their subsequent offspring I would think that the immediate investigation and rectification of this threat would be of the utmost importance. Loyalty is a two way street and the loyalty of service people to their country should be met with equal loyalty from it's leaders. Dismissing these studies as politcal fiction is a disservice to those serving in the military.
Back to the topic at hand, al-Zarqawi was an a$$hole and the world is better off without him taking up space. Nice shooting.

Eric5273 · #74 06-09-2006, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Lambeau

You keep pulling up these references from who? Liberals that just happen to have educational/career credentials.

So you are saying that when the army doctor says

"Since 1991, numerous U.S. Department of Defense reports have said that the consequences of DU were unknown. That is a lie. We warned them in 1991 after the Gulf War, but because of liability issues, they continue to ignore the problem."

that he is lying?

Also, he is not a liberal. From the same source:

Rokke, an Army Reserve major who describes himself as "a patriot to the right of Rush Limbaugh," said....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lambeau

This is true, but U-238 (D.U.) is not "passed" from semen. The last sentence says it's "deposited". It's not passed. Yes, the DNA in the semen may be affected but a male can not pass something that's been deposited somewhere else. Your sources are trying to make this sound as dangerous as possible and to say radiation is passed from semen is an attempt to do that.

You had made a claim that you believe Gulf War Syndrome is caused from chemical & bio weapon polution. Is there evidence that those things can be passed onto a female partner? Because whatever is causing Gulf War Syndrome is indeed doing that, as well as affecting any children they have.

Also, in case you do not realize this, calling someone a "liberal" does not discredit them as a valid source. If you want to present an alternate theory, then please do post your sources for that. I have done a ton of reading on this subject and have never read anything supporting your claim that chemical & bio weapon pollution are the cause.

From what I have read, the theory that DU causes Gulf War Syndrome is the ones that has the most supporting evidence. 90%+ of the studies on the subject have concluded this. The only exception appears to be the government's own studies, which the head army doctor quoted above says did indeed conclude the same thing, except that those writing the final reports ignored the results and instead claimed they were inconclusive.

And also, please post "independent" sources. For example, posting a study on the health effects of smoking which was done by the cigarette manufacturers would not be considered "independent". Likewise, a study of the health effects of DU done by the U.S. Military would not be independent.

E61Silver · #75 06-09-2006, 10:16 AM

I think Lambeau and Eric are so set in thier postion that they can't be reasonable and see the other persons point of view.

Lambeau thinks the war is going well, what BS be real.

Eric some how thinks the US Goverment was conected to 9-11 more BS.

But they both drive a X5, they both agree that its a great SAV