Good movie review of "Sicko" - Page 8

asawadude · #71 07-11-2007, 05:59 PM

Hmmm.... Japan leads in life expectancy, despite the fact that a very large percentage of their population smoke cigarettes, and those who don't smoke cigarettes are too busy committing hari-kiri.

This looks like another conversation wrapped around statistics that are irrelevant without context.

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Eric5273 · #72 07-11-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bjo

I don't know about NY, but in Texas it is mandatory to have auto insurance. Even if you didn't make a claim, you have to pay for it.

Besides, having health and car insurance is a good thing. You never plan on needing it, but its nice to know you have it when you do.

Exactly my point. As for auto insurance, it is only required to have very minimal liability insurance. You don't have to get collision to cover damage to your own vehicle. But I would imagine that most X5 owners pay the extra money and do get collision and probably also get extended liability to cover their assets. And most years, you do get "ripped off".

How about life insurance. Now there is a kind of insurance that you hope to never make a claim for.

My point is that it would be nice if we didn't need to have insurance and if such services were provided profit-free by the government. We could all pay into a pool to cover everyone, and if there was a surplus one year, instead of that money going into the pocket of insurance company executives, it would be carried over to the next year and we would have lower taxes the next year.

AzX5 · #73 07-11-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

After looking at those graphs, it's easy to see why the French health care system is ranked #1 in the world.

Oh yes, they are #1 alright:

"However, Dr Muriel Chaillet of the St Antoine hospital in Paris told BBC News Online that the situation could be blamed partly on an aging population but partly on the state of the health service.

'Last summer the situation was catastrophic and this year it is worse; we were not at all prepared. The hospital system is failing,' she said.

'These figures panic me, but they do not surprise me; they correspond to the situation.'"

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...hp?newsid=4127

alpac · #74 07-11-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AzX5

Oh yes, they are #1 alright:

"However, Dr Muriel Chaillet of the St Antoine hospital in Paris told BBC News Online that the situation could be blamed partly on an aging population but partly on the state of the health service.

'Last summer the situation was catastrophic and this year it is worse; we were not at all prepared. The hospital system is failing,' she said.

'These figures panic me, but they do not surprise me; they correspond to the situation.'"

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...hp?newsid=4127

You talked about something you do not know anything about. You just read about these things through the medias and as you know the media deform the news as they want. As I said I do not know anything about Canadian, Japanese or even Cuban health systems but I do knot about the one in France for having been using it for 38 years and then once again recently as a non registered patient. So I know what I am talking about. There are things which does not work well in France, yes but there are things which I would really love to have over here. One is a similar health care system and the other one is free college. Yes sir I went to college did a master from a very good university basically for free except for the books. In my opinion it is a shame that in a modern country like then USA which is the leader in so many areas will let somebody die just because they do not have the money for it. This is a shame that some people and one of these HMO can decide if somebody is worth staying alive or not. My opinion anyway.

alpac · #75 07-11-2007, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by alpac

You talked about something you do not know anything about. You just read about these things through the medias and as you know the media deform the news as they want. As I said I do not know anything about Canadian, Japanese or even Cuban health systems but I do knot about the one in France for having been using it for 38 years and then once again recently as a non registered patient. So I know what I am talking about. There are things which does not work well in France, yes but there are things which I would really love to have over here. One is a similar health care system and the other one is free college. Yes sir I went to college did a master from a very good university basically for free except for the books. In my opinion it is a shame that in a modern country like then USA which is the leader in so many areas will let somebody die just because they do not have the money for it. This is a shame that some people and one of these HMO can decide if somebody is worth staying alive or not. My opinion anyway.

and sorry for all the typos, I was typing furiously on my keyboard

AzX5 · #76 07-11-2007, 08:56 PM

The quote was from a doctor, not my opinion or the opinion of the news media. Your experience may be a great one, good for you. I didn't express my opinion (other than that they are indeed #1), since I know nothing about nothing...

bjo · #77 07-11-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Exactly my point. As for auto insurance, it is only required to have very minimal liability insurance. You don't have to get collision to cover damage to your own vehicle. But I would imagine that most X5 owners pay the extra money and do get collision and probably also get extended liability to cover their assets. And most years, you do get "ripped off".

How about life insurance. Now there is a kind of insurance that you hope to never make a claim for.

My point is that it would be nice if we didn't need to have insurance and if such services were provided profit-free by the government. We could all pay into a pool to cover everyone, and if there was a surplus one year, instead of that money going into the pocket of insurance company executives, it would be carried over to the next year and we would have lower taxes the next year.

Fixed that for you.

Sigh.. With car insurance, it is a numbers game, but when you need it aren't you glad to have it? Have you ever had to file a claim? Life insurance is a gamble, but if you have a family with a wife a 2 kids, then pass away, wouldn't you feel comfortable knowing that they will have some financial support?

Socialized medicine sounds good in theory, but IMO not really practical.

Deuce · #78 07-11-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by alpac

"This is a shame that some people and one of these HMO can decide if somebody is worth staying alive or not. My opinion anyway."

The hospitals in the US will not turn somebody away or refuse to treat them because they don't have insurance.

alpac · #79 07-11-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Deuce

The hospitals in the US will not turn somebody away or refuse to treat them because they don't have insurance.

If you or your wife have a breast cancer for example and you need chemotherapy and for some reason your insurance refused to pay for it do you think the hospital will do it?

Deuce · #80 07-11-2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by alpac

If you or your wife have a breast cancer for example and you need chemotherapy and for some reason your insurance refused to pay for it do you think the hospital will do it?

I don't think the government should pay for it. You make arrangements and pay for it.

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