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Old 03-26-2008, 03:30 PM
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Rest of the world is not generally over obsessed with doing 300 things, but driving, in a car.

I remember reading an article from a Porsche engineer saying he couldn't believe buyers asked from more cup holders in a 911.
But you don't believe there is some economic component to the origins of this?

The retro-fitting of all the facotries and re-design costs associated with switching transmissions, when automatic transmission came out, would have been a big deterant. It then it becomes indicative of the culture.

I still believe there are certain economic factors involved today in some places.
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Old 03-26-2008, 03:38 PM
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Look at the money the car manufacturers make on auto transmissions. By the time you figure in the clutch, linkage, flywheel, pressure plate, throwout bearings and everything else that goes along with a man-trans do you really think it COSTS $1000-$2000 more for them to manufacture an auto trans?
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Old 03-26-2008, 03:55 PM
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I can tell you this Lam,

My first and foremost favorite truck is an X5. I am still waiting to see what the "is" model is going to bring when I am due for my new wheels next September.

But if I don't love the X5"is" - my next option is going to be the Cayenne GTS in a manual transmission. - I'm pretty sure that a Cayenne Turbo is within my budget, but I'd rather have the naturally aspirated, six speed manual, BECAUSE I can get it in manual.
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Old 03-26-2008, 04:23 PM
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THis is a very easy question:

Outside of the US, it is very expensive to own and operate a car. The cars themselves are very expensive, gas is even worse. That being said, it is almost a luxury to have a car, and driving is considered a skill to have. Manaul cars are less expensive (usually) AND they offer the driver more control over the car, hence when you add up all of those factors, manual tranny's are more popular. (In the UK it costs a significant amount of money to pay for FORMAL TRAINING to even get a license, it's not like in the US where every kid gets a permit as soon as they're old enough and have had absolutely zero training). Also outside the US, gas is so damn expensive that all of the cars have tiny little engines, and until recently many didn't even have airconditioning. If you put an automatic in a car with a small engine and an ac compressor, you could probably walk faster. Remember, the US is the land of V6's and big V8's that can move a car with a slushbox.

Why are automatics more popular in the US?
1) easier to drive in our overly congested roads
2) driving isn't a skill to be obtained for everyone, it's a necessity to be obtained in order to live your life
3) the quantity of people in the US who need a car and see it as a necessity or basic form of transport and not a skill far outnumber the # of people who feel the same way in other countries.
4) gas is cheap
5) engines are big

In the US, anyone can get a license and drive some sh*tbox around, outside of the US it's too expensive and not available to the masses (overall).
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Old 03-26-2008, 04:29 PM
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THis is a very easy question:

Outside of the US, it is very expensive to own and operate a car. The cars themselves are very expensive, gas is even worse. That being said, it is almost a luxury to have a car, and driving is considered a skill to have. Manaul cars are less expensive (usually) AND they offer the driver more control over the car, hence when you add up all of those factors, manual tranny's are more popular. (In the UK it costs a significant amount of money to pay for FORMAL TRAINING to even get a license, it's not like in the US where every kid gets a permit as soon as they're old enough and have had absolutely zero training)

Why are automatics more popular in the US?
1) easier to drive in our overly congested roads
2) driving isn't a skill to be obtained for everyone, it's a necessity to be obtained in order to live your life
3) the quantity of people in the US who need a car and see it as a necessity or basic form of transport and not a skill far outnumber the # of people who feel the same way in other countries.

In the US, anyone can get a license and drive some sh*tbox around, outside of the US it's too expensive and not available to the masses (overall).
the economics, as well as other factors, combined lead to what's popular where.
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This evening I'm walking along a street in Rota Spain and I started to notice that all the vehicles have manual transmissions. So I started counting how many had manual transmissions and how many had automatic transmissions. When I got back to the hotel I counted 128 total cars. Guess how many had Automatic transmissions....3!!! Yes, only 3 out of the 128. Have we become so lazy in America that we would probably have 125 out of 128 vehicles with automatics??? The 3 with the autos were 1 big Audi, 1 larger utility truck, and a Ford Escort. Every BMW (at least 15 of them) had sticks. What is your opinion as to why Americans have to have an automatic? The excuse of city traffic and hills won't fly as the hills and traffic here are pretty bad too. And, if some of you have the X5 with the 3.0 and an automatic, why did you choose an automatic instead of the manual?
Are you for real asking this question???
Don't you know an answer? I presume you are an American and lived at this country for a while.
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Old 03-26-2008, 04:53 PM
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Are you for real asking this question???
Don't you know an answer? I presume you are an American and lived at this country for a while.
What? Your comment makes no sense. Please clarify alexz.
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No I meant to say that the original question you asked sounded very naive.
I thought everyone knows answer why automatic trannys are indeed de-facto standard here.
I do agree with Gresch's response above 100%
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Old 03-26-2008, 05:48 PM
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Agree with the earlier points and....

double whammy of high cost of gas and high annual taxes based on engine displacement.

The great bulk of the cars in Europe are 1-2 liters with a considerable segment under 1 liter for better gas mileage and lower taxes. While it is possible to fit an automatic to such small engines, they take a significant toll in both performance and MPG.

OTOH in the USofA we drive (relatively) long distances, have (relatively) cheap gas, and no tax on engine size. As a consequence American cars expanded into large displacement, slow turning engines - ideal for development of automatics.
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