So when does BMW start production on hydrogen rides?

[Wagner]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,367244,00.html

[Meiac09]

The car will initially be available for lease starting July to a limited number of customers in southern California

Yahoo says that limited number of customers are mostly A-listers and bignames.

[LeMansX5]

Honda is just temporarily giving these to some VIPs/celebrities in SoCal. Too expensive to sell. BMW has already done what Honda is doing with Hydrogen7.

[AzNMpower32]

I saw a Hydrogen7 on the streets of Munich, and one of course at BMW Welt. The issue is finding places to refuel with Hydrogen, and whether the hose will fit the 7's Hydrogen tank opening.

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by AzNMpower32

I saw a Hydrogen7 on the streets of Munich, and one of course at BMW Welt. The issue is finding places to refuel with Hydrogen, and whether the hose will fit the 7's Hydrogen tank opening.

I've driven the H7, I just wish BMW would get ahead of the curve instead of playing catch up. I guess I'm just tired of the Japanese rides getting the majority of the pub in the US

[AzNMpower32]

Originally Posted by Wagner

I've driven the H7, I just wish BMW would get ahead of the curve instead of playing catch up. I guess I'm just tired of the Japanese rides getting the majority of the pub in the US

I think the media likes to put a positive spin on Japanese imports here in the US. BMW comes out with brilliant stuff but no one pays attention.

I've seen a lot of articles talking about buying a digital gauge that displays instant fuel consumption to stretch that gallon of petrol. Uh, hasn't BMW had this for decades?

[X5Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Wagner

I've driven the H7, I just wish BMW would get ahead of the curve instead of playing catch up. I guess I'm just tired of the Japanese rides getting the majority of the pub in the US

only car company stock I own is Honda (HMC) - they are into everything - not as flashy as Toyota - I'm even sad to note all Indy cars run Honda engines, gone are the days of Offenhauser, Novi, Ford, STP's turbine engine...

[motordavid]

A semi-follow up art to the Hydrogen 7 Series, from Sunday's
NewYawkTimes...


BMW Hydrogen 7
A Sedan Fueled by the Future


BMW Hydrogen 7.

By LAWRENCE ULRICH

Published: July 20, 2008

LONG lists of restrictions are familiar to journalists who drive press cars from automakers’ fleets: no smoking, no racing, no loaning the keys to your fugitive brother-in-law.

Graphic Fill It Up With Hydrogen




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SPECIAL HANDLING Hydrogen refills require a special nozzle.





But one prohibition placed on the BMW Hydrogen 7, a 760Li luxury liner modified to run on hydrogen in addition to its normal gasoline diet, was an eye-opener: The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey would not permit the car to be driven through the Lincoln or Holland Tunnels or on the lower level of the George Washington Bridge.

It seems that BMW drew the Port Authority’s attention when it began pumping liquid hydrogen into its small test fleet of dual-fuel sedans in Port Jersey, not far from the docks where BMWs disembark after their voyage from Germany. And historically speaking, it’s fair to say that the last hydrogen-dependent German flagship that docked in New Jersey left a lasting impression.

So while BMW designed the Hydrogen 7 to be as explosion-resistant as any gasoline car, memories of the Hindenburg zeppelin cause misunderstandings among consumers and bureaucrats, a company spokesman acknowledged.
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As with hydrogen cars from Ford, General Motors, Honda and others, showcasing hydrogen’s carbon-free potential is the BMW’s reason for being. But unlike far-costlier fuel-cell cars — which generate electricity through a chemical reaction of gaseous hydrogen and oxygen — the BMW runs on either liquid hydrogen or gasoline in a familiar internal-combustion engine.

When it is running on hydrogen, water vapor is the main byproduct, as shown by a damp spot beneath the bumper when the car idles. Emissions of carbon dioxide and nitrogen oxides are nearly zero, with just traces resulting from the engine’s lubricating oil and the heat of combustion.
BMW built its demonstration fleet of 100 Hydrogen 7s beginning in 2006 and keeps eight in the New York area and a dozen in Los Angeles, where testers have included the celebrities Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt, Will Ferrell and Edward Norton. All told, the 100 BMWs have logged more than a million miles in testing around the world.

Automakers like Ford and Mazda are also experimenting with the technology of using hydrogen in conventional engines. Ford has built roughly 30 hydrogen powered V-10 buses for commercial customers in the United States and Canada, including major airports, the city of Las Vegas and SeaWorld Orlando. In Japan, Mazda is road-testing a Premacy hydrogen hybrid minivan that combines a rotary engine with an electric motor and lithium-ion batteries.

BMW’s Hydrogen 7 is powered by the same 6-liter V-12 found in the 760Li, re-engineered to handle the special qualities of hydrogen, including separate injection systems for each fuel. But the real gee-whiz factor is at the rear, where tanks hold 17.5 pounds of hydrogen and 16 gallons of gasoline.

Inside that hydrogen tank is nature’s lightest element, super-chilled to 423 degrees below zero. At that temperature, nearing the frigid cold of outer space, hydrogen becomes a liquid and shrinks to about one-thousandth the volume, allowing the tank to pack in more fuel. Yet the vacuum-insulated tank felt room temperature to the touch, so well sealed that a block of ice inside would take 13 years to fully melt, BMW engineers say, and a fill-up of coffee would remain hot enough to drink three months later.

The hydrogen tank leaves only enough trunk space for a pair of golf bags; a second-generation tank that fits the space more efficiently has been designed. The company is working with other automakers to create a standardized refueling system.

When the car is parked for extended periods, the evaporating hydrogen builds pressure that must be safely released. A boil-off system mixes the hydrogen with air, runs it through a catalytic converter and releases water vapor through a rear-bumper vent.

Redundant safety systems abound. If the pressure inside the tank rises too high, a vent in the roof can release gaseous hydrogen directly. And if the car happened to roll over and block the roof opening, hydrogen would reroute through the underbody. A hydrogen detection system makes the car’s four door locks glow red to warn of leaking fuel in the trunk, fuel nozzle area or under the hood; windows automatically open if hydrogen should enter the cabin.

Yet aside from billboard-size Clean Energy logos on the sides, little about the car offers clues to the crazy chemistry inside. The BMW starts conventionally. Pressing a button on the steering wheel let me switch instantly from gas to hydrogen power and back again, even while the car was moving.

The 7 idles louder when running on hydrogen, and under power, it drones a bit compared with the heady V-12 rush you’re used to from the gasoline-only 760Li. Because the engine output is reduced when it burns hydrogen, BMW detuned the gas-burning mode to match, ensuring that drivers wouldn’t feel any difference in performance when switching between the fuels.

The engine makes a mere 260 horsepower, compared with a mighty 438 in the gas-only version. The 5.4 zero-to-60 sprint of the 760Li turns into a 9.5-second crawl. (I got smoked off the line by a Honda Odyssey minivan).

Despite the tepid acceleration and a weight gain of several hundred pounds over the 4,900-pound 760Li, the car is a delight to drive, steering and handling as brilliantly as the gas-only version.

BMW conservatively estimates a 125-mile range on hydrogen, with another 300 miles on gasoline. Yet during my test drive, the BMW was on pace to top 140 miles from its hydrogen before I switched backed to gasoline; according to the trip computer, I could have driven 200 miles on a highway cruise.

BMW sees that internal combustion engine and dual-fuel ability as an edge over fuel cells, in both cost and to ease the transition from gasoline. Unlike a fuel-cell car, the Hydrogen 7 can rely on today’s gasoline stations to carry it between hydrogen pumps that are still largely theoretical in the United States.

BMW declined to estimate what the Hydrogen 7 might cost, but a spokesman, Tom Plucinsky, said it could be sold at a “manageable premium” over the $125,000 gas-only 760Li. In contrast, experts still peg the price of building fuel-cell cars at $500,000 or more. BMW noted that its hydrogen fuel is produced using only wind, solar or other renewable energy, making the 7’s operation almost entirely emissions-free.
BMW does agree with the chicken-and-egg argument of fuel-cell proponents: if energy companies or the government won’t jump-start the hydrogen infrastructure, the cars must come first.

“A hundred years ago, there certainly wasn’t a gas station on every corner,” a BMW spokesman, Dave Buchko, said. In California, one initiative calls for building 150 to 200 hydrogen stations along major highways by 2010, at a projected cost of $75 to $200 million.

If the hydrogen economy fails to take off, BMW is hedging its bets with other technologies. The company plans to unveil an all-electric Mini Cooper at this year’s Los Angeles auto show; no date has been announced for sales.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/20/au...ws/20AUTO.html