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Old 06-03-2009, 12:14 PM
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They're on the pink sheets which is worse than just OTCBB. The shares have no value and are expected to be wiped out in bankruptcy court so that the company can issue new shares.
Wonder if one will be able to buy old stock certificates on eBay... should make a good collectible/conversation piece.
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I'd still like to know where the legal precedent is to deny bondholders of their contractural right to be paid first and how the unions get a bigger stake than the bondholders?????????
It's called socialism. This is insane. Like who in their right mind is going to loan money to this company from now on. GM from now on will be known as Government Motors.
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It's called socialism. This is insane. Like who in their right mind is going to loan money to this company from now on. GM from now on will be known as Government Motors.
No its called Bankruptcy, thats what wiped out share holders.
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No its called Bankruptcy, thats what wiped out share holders.
No this is much different. The union is put ahead of the bondholders. Borrowing money is a companies lifeblood and this move will have repercussions. There's a difference between stocks and bonds.
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No this is much different. The union is put ahead of the bondholders. Borrowing money is a companies lifeblood and this move will have repercussions. There's a difference between stocks and bonds.

Yes and this Thread is:

What will happen to my GM stock with bankruptcy?
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Old 06-08-2009, 02:17 PM
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Yes and this Thread is:

What will happen to my GM stock with bankruptcy?
Nice skirting of the issue but at least you concede my point.
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Old 06-08-2009, 02:20 PM
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More importantly, why is the Administration which proclaims "I don't want to run a car company" releasing their share of ownership in bond sales to existing bond holders so they can make some return on investment? Instead the government is holding ownership
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I'd still like to know where the legal precedent is to deny bondholders of their contractural right to be paid first and how the unions get a bigger stake than the bondholders?????????
It's called Absolute Priority.

GM has a $20B-$30B (I've seen conflicting numbers) secured debt to VEBA which was restructured as a 17.5% stake in the new GM. GM started holding back funds to the UAW pension plan when the plan was overfunded because of cash shortages, amassing a debt of $51B. That's why the union gets a piece of the pie.

The demise of the UAW will take place if the new GM fails.

Here's a well thought out article:
The Failure of General Motors Is a Failure of Government Policy -- Seeking Alpha
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The demise of the UAW will take place if the new GM fails.
I will not be surprised if they fail again.
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