The Right To Shoot Tyrants Not Deer

[tynashracing]

NAPOLITANO: The right to shoot tyrants, not deer - Washington Times

"Most people in government reject natural rights and personal sovereignty. Most people in government believe that the exercise of everyone’s rights is subject to the will of those in the government. Most people in government believe that they can write any law and regulate any behavior, not subject to the natural law, not subject to the sovereignty of individuals, not cognizant of history’s tyrants, but subject only to what they can get away with.
Did you empower the government to impair the freedom of us all because of the mania and terror of a few?"

[TerminatorX5]

it is against the law to attempt or contemplate to overthrow the US government by force - so, the verbal excercise of "i need guns to get rid of a tyrant" is line of crap... maybe 200 years ago it was feasible at the inception of a brand new nation (1776 - 1791) that was only 15 years old, but at almost a quarter of millenia mark, that notion is ridiculious - say you are a 45 yeard old man, do you still dwell on your crazy dreams when you were 15 year old boy? it is good memory but hopefully you are not acting on your boyish fantasies (that were very real back in time) - and that changed in measly 30 years... lol...

[digees]

“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.”

-Jeff Cooper

We are in an incredible point in history, be glad you're alive to witness it. Once you demonize one weapon, there's another evil to replace it. I won't do another quote, but when you give up one liberty for the "feeling" of safety, you will ultimately lose both.

[mcurcio1989]

. . . Obviously you can't just make it legal to kill your countries leaders so to argue that their are no laws to support this, thus that was not the original intents is pretty futile. The point is that the right to own guns, form militias, and basically everything in the bill of rights was there to give the people the necessary abilities to keep government in check proactively and when the time comes. People are so inept at putting things into context it is unbelievable. We are talking about documents written by men who believed they were being persecuted by their government, they voiced these opinions and formed militias and effectively overthrew the government of their time. Now we would call them terrorists. That said it is pretty obvious that when they wrote the bill of rights they wanted to make sure that people would be able to do what they had done if and when the time came. So don't act like times change or that's not what they meant. These men wrote the most perfect roadmap to a society and government and it is to them we owe the greatness which they enabled this country to achieve. They knew exactly what they were doing. To this day there are countries all around the world whose leaders persecute their people and it often becomes necessary for the civilians to take up arms and the american gov. and military often supports these people. So don't tell me we live in different times. We live in a different country because our founders designed it so that we wouldn't have to wait until things got so bad.

[TerminatorX5]

wow, a revival of an old thread... there is another one, with a few more pages that might need to be revived as well... lol..

however, we do live in different times - we do not burn witches anymore, we are ok with gays, we are friendly with British... the country is the same, it did not go anywhere (Atlantis went somewhere, but we are still here)...

And the funny thing is, the leaders who choose to kill their people, don't do it with foreign asistance (at least, most of them don't), the killing (oppression) is happening by the hands of the part of the same population...

And the founding fathers had no idea what they were doing - they loved the French republic but the republic turned into "red terror" with more heads rolling than during the king's times, and resulted in Napoleon coming to power... they were clearly worried that something like may happen on our soil as the ties to the "old world" were rather significant...

We have to give them credit due - they were very educated, smart aristocrats who were fighting for the cause of a common man but even they could not escape the pitfalls of their upbringing... the elections of US president are not direct popular elections as in many countries but buffered by the "delegates", who can vote as they deem necessary, not as their constituents have instructed them to do... so, even those aristocrats who were "by the people, for the people" did not trust the uneducated masses...

and going back to the gun control, gun prolifiration - too many guns in the hands of people who do not know which end of the "thingie" the bullet comes out from... i am not for the ban... i am for proper gun education...

[TiAgX5]

Ben Franklin....."An armed public is a polite public".

Ever notice how violent crime stats (rape/murder/robbery) drop when states begin programs allowing "will issue" Consealed Carry Permits to the public?

The states that do not issue CCP have the highest crime rates, criminals know their victims are following the law and NOT packing.

Gotta love the lawmakers that disarm responsible citizens and shift the power balance to criminals. During a confrontation with a crook, seconds count and the police are minutes away.

I speak with my vacation $s, no reciprocity law that allows a TX CCP holder to carry in a certain state, I will vacation elsewhere.

Americans have the 2nd amendment RIGHT to protect self/faimly/property/victims.

[TerminatorX5]

Originally Posted by TiAgX5

Ben Franklin....."An armed public is a polite public".

Ever notice how violent crime stats (rape/murder/robbery) drop when states begin programs allowing "will issue" Consealed Carry Permits to the public?

The states that do not issue CCP have the highest crime rates, criminals know their victims are following the law and NOT packing.

Gotta love the lawmakers that disarm responsible citizens and shift the power balance to criminals. During a confrontation with a crook, seconds count and the police are minutes away.

I speak with my vacation $s, no reciprocity law that allows a TX CCP holder to carry in a certain state, I will vacation elsewhere.

Americans have the 2nd amendment RIGHT to protect self/faimly/property/victims.

this is a very resilient thread!!!

i will not argue about the right to have the guns or not, this is the way we are (that right is not to act as deputized sheriffs, this is right to protect the country in well regulated militia... did you notice how government cleverly SUBSTITUTED the target of government with a target of criminals?)

but my point is the exact phrase "responsible citizens" - first of all, allow weapons' permits to citizens (none of that undocumented alien BS - try to tell IRS you have "undocumented money source", see how far UNDOCUMENTED sh!t will get you!!), and those citizens to have permits based on them passing a test - after all, we highly regulate alcohol sales, tobacco sales, cars have to be registered... guns are same merchandise, but because they pack a lot of potential energy that can be released into kinetic energy with little to no effort - a person should know the basics of handling weapons... we don't send soldiers in a battlefield without some kind of weapon training...

i said it before, while i am totally against the guns as a concept, i understand the reality, and as such, would not ban the guns but require gun education with a test at the end... after all, if you put somebody's life in someone's hands, don't you want at least be sure, that they know what tool is in their hands??

[TiAgX5]

I agree TermX5.

Too many people think the CCP process is the end result, when actually it's the beginning. Some get the permit/gun/ammo, pop off a few rounds and walk around for months/years with the warm/fuzzies feeling they're ready for a life/death situation. Untrained CCP holders have a higher probability of unloading a clip/cylinder without hitting/disabling the threat.

Contrary to popular opinion, humans don't "rise to the occasion" when confronted with a life/death situation, we fall to the level of training/knowledge we have gotten.

I choose to carry, I run over 100 target rounds each month thru my carry sidearms (FMJ, same load/bullet weight as the JHP defense rounds I load to carry). I'm able to draw/site target/place 3 rounds center mass (at 5 yds), in around 2.5 seconds. Sig Sauer P227 45cal (main) and a Charter Arms 2" barrel 38 special Undercover (backup).

I even take an advanced personal protection/tactical class each year.

Those who carry and don't train/practice scare me.