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M3 on BMWUSA.com
Just to let everyone know you can now build your own M3 sedan / coupe on bmwusa.com however it appears the DCT option is not available yet
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Saw that this morning, built a coupe to the tune of about 68500, sedan to around 66000. Nice to actually see it out there now.
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I like how BMW NA forces you to order leather for $900. :rolleyes:
On the BMW USA website: Coupe: Alpin White, Silver Novillo lthr, EDC, aluminium trim. Total: $58,950 Sedan: Interlagos Blue, Black Novillo lthr, EDC, aluminium trim, split folding rear seats, electric moonroof. Total: $58,250 On the BMW UK site (German-spec M3s have too many options and I can't understand them all :rofl:) Coupe: Same colors & trim, Premium sound, Comfort Access, Shadowline trim, Climate comfort windscreen, sliding front armrest, adaptive headlamps, high-beam assistant, EDC, front & rear PDC. Sat nav is standard on UK models. 54.620 GBP. I didn't order cupholders because I don't want folks drinking and spilling their drinks while I :driver: Sedan: Same options as above, plus split-folding rear seats, and trunk storage tray. 54,450 GBP. Edit: Interesting tidbit. On the German BMW build-your-own, I think DCT is offered as an option......... |
Poo on them.... Can't get M Drive without the Tech Package. No DCT option. No real reason for electronic dampening... there will be a tuner coming out with better suspension options. Though I will admit, sometimes, when it come to ///M, OE is great. No need for 19s since there are nicer wheels on the market.
Sedan, Alpine, Fox red, alum trim, heated seats |
I can't wait to get a hold of one. Black, Coupe, Red interior, alum trim...:thumbup:
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Everything you might want on this car is a damn option....by the time I finished my build it was 66k :wow: That's about 20k more than my first ///M3.
That's a heavy sticker....Phil |
about 10K more then my 2003 M3.
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Spoke with my tech today, they haven't even had training on the new V8 or V8TT in the X6 yet....
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they removed it from the website now
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Not to mention the subtle but inevitable, "market adjustment"
your friendly, local stlr will tack on. |
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Here is my dilemma, M3 sedan with options I want: $64,000 prior to taxes, registration, gas guzzler and all that BS. For the near same price or lower, I could get CTS-V series (with 550 ponies).... :dunno: |
Interlagos Blue is so nice........here's a visualization
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...nR/M3sedan.jpg Exterior http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...aninterior.jpg Interior. Yes, that includes DCT ;) (And MDrive, and Business sat nav, alcantara/cloth upholstry......) |
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The real photos of the black M3 look amazing. They have really been pushing white with this new M3 and I am beginning to like it a lot more than I have in the past. |
what's up with the funky speaker grilles... :dunno:
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Hmm, not seeing exactly how the M3 is much more special but that is expected on a Bimmer forum :) M's are still great, but GM and others have closed the gap IMO. |
The CTS-V, if I know GM well enough, will probably lack refinement and dignity. It's just too loud for my tastes, both visually and audably. Fast and flash is all good for maybe 5% of the time, but the rest of the time, I want quiet, more subtle way to cruise. For years, //M cars were always terrific performers that were quietly shrouded by subtle cues. Now, with the E60 M5 that tradition went straight out the window, but seriously, the Caddy is too much flash.
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Well as an owner of the previous M3, the rasp was God awful annoying as was the lack of torque and the constant need to be in the high-end of the power band.
I will be curious to see how the V8 version performs, but if you haven't seen the new CTS in person...you don't know what you're missing IMO. |
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The M3 is more of a true race car with a high-revving 8,300 rpm engine where the CTS-V is more like an AMG MB with a ton of raw horse power and a lot of weight. The Caddy is going to have a ton of straight line power, but is not going to know what to do with it as well as the M3. You have to remember that the M3 lacks the ponies, but weighs in at around 3,700 lbs, nearly 500 lbs lighter than the CTS-V. Think about this, the CTS-V weighs 4,200 lbs manual and 4,300 with an automatic. To put that in perspective that is somewhere between an M5 (4,012 lbs) and a 750i (4,486 lbs). It is a pig. It is going to need every one of those ponies to haul it's fat a$$ around. Don't get me wrong, I think it looks great and is a huge step forward for American sedans, but besides raw power, the M3 is going to eat it up in every other aspect. I would love to see how many CTS-V owners track their cars. If you want a 4 door sedan that has a ton of ponies to drag stoplights on the street go fo the CTS-V or the AMG, but if you want an all around performer, the M3 is the clear choice. I do have to agree with you on the exhaust note of the e46 M3 though. It was horrible and didn't suit the car. Here is a sound clip of the new M3 revving. I think it is safe to say that the rasp is a thing of the past with the new V8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2vZV...eature=related |
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I liked the rasp of the S52, and loved the engine. But that's up to personal taste. I also love the sound from the Honda S2000, so um yea, you get the idea. |
CTS-V may be cheap but resale value is where you will loose. BMW M3 retains good value.
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Granted, M3 will retain the resale value. But what I find most amusing is the "true race car" comment. I love BMW, I love the appeal of the ///M badge. If it wasn't for money, there'd probably be an M3 sedan sitting in the driveway, or an e39 M5. But to say the CTS-V is just raw power couldn't be more of a false statement. I know people who have switched from M3s to the CTS-V for SCCA Solo auto-x's and handed other people their butts. I've seen them do quite well at open track days, and did we forget the efforts being made in Speed Challenge??? The CTS-V may be heavy, but Cadillac is doing it right with the V.
But anyhoo.... I'd still kill and would rather have an e90 M3 or e90 335 :) |
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I agree that Caddy is doing it right with the V, but at 500 lbs heavier I just don't see it outperforming the M3 in handling. Dude, the auto CTS-V is 180 lbs shy of a 750i! You are going to notice that on the track. Why would anyone chose that car for autocross or significant track time? :confused: I'm not saying it cant run an autocross or see some track days, but the vast majority of them will never see those venues. As far as Caddy in the Spped Challenge series, those cars are full prepped race cars which have had a ton of bloated weight removed. I was referring to the road version. Stock M3 vs. stock CTS-V. Having said that, I do think the Caddy is an interesting car and by far the most exciting sedan to coume out of the US. It is definately a good thing and a step in the right direction for the company. |
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The M3 is not for everyone....if you like to track the car and use the car as a daily driver....mainly for males from ages 20-40, usually single guys, usually a single car owner, income $150K +, etc....this is all according to BMWNA.....
Anyhow, still have the E46 M3 with 65K miles and the best thing I have done was to replace the OEM struts/shocks with KONI struts/shocks....the valving is better and the ride is definitely better and so is the handling. I don't notice the rasp that much but it doesn't bother me because it is a unique sound, but it doesn't resonate into the cabin as much as the earlier BMW M3 models....I think the 04-06 has less rasp that is noticeable inside the coupe cabin. Looking forward to the new M3 sedan in the future! |
The E90 M3 is fine if you only need nice dd and don't track your car at all, but as Josh pointed out there's nothing performance oriented about it's 3700-3800lb weight! The car to have will be the M version of the 1-series. If we anyone thought the 335i w/ tune + lsd would at least reasonably keep up with the M3, the 135i should be able to easily clean-up let alone the M version.
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I know 3,700 lbs is pretty heavy, but once again you have to look at the available competition. In general cars are getting bigger and heavier these days. True 4 seat coupes like the e30 M3's just aren't going to happen again. The M3 is getting bigger and heavier, but it is still lighter than the RS4, AMG, CTS-V, etc. Of it's direct competition, what other 2 or 4 door 4 seater is lighter or would be a better combo of daily driver and occasional weekend track rat than the M3? |
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Just because the competition is getting heavier too, doesn't mean it's a valid excuse. New tech/engr will go that much farther in a lighter chassis. And think about all the special weight reduction BMW has employed in this one (despite it being non-CSL), ie. composite panels, cf roof, lightweight crankcase, etc. Imo, the current gen M3 is what it's been up till now, and I don't think BMW is pushing it that way either. All the reviews have said that it feels more sedated despite the performance; and BMW isn't a company to release a product with unintended consequences. The 1series will more than easily fill the void left, and most likely do a better job. Hopefully, no one buys and e90/93 M3 regrets that it's not the same as what they've come to expect in the past. |
As for the CTS-V debate, there's no point. Lap times are the bottom-line for race teams; but what ellicits the best driving experience? It's the visceral qualities that most stimulate the driver's senses: the precision of the gas pedal, the feedback and accuracy of steering wheel, the linearity of the brakes, the engine response from BMW using individual tbodies, the crispness of the shifter, the perfect weight of clutch pedal, the perfect deflection of the bushings from the steering rack to the shifter to differential, the absolutely perfect valving of the shocks, etc.
Those are qualities no (at least, street) American vehicle has had up till now. No, not even the Corvette. Fortunately, GM is using more of it's European resources these days. I hear that the new CTS is a big step forward for the company in those areas. It's strange because those qualities mentioned above are what the rest of the world go for, but American automakers are perfectly happy with a little more power when they fail at accomplishing those. And when they fail to develop adequate technology to effciently gain more power, they just make the engine bigger to just somehow get there. The result if reflective. So in the end, there will be two entirely different driver's that will look at these two vehicles. That much greater tactility is where your extra money is going with BMW, Audi, Porsche and The Italians (not MB though). All those minute qualities are what bring a smile to my face, and the grin would be just as wide with fifty less hp. :D |
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