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Wagner 08-27-2008 02:34 PM

Obama isn't a US Citizen...
 
http://obamacrimes.com/

Major04 08-27-2008 02:44 PM

Wow - that's going to be huge! If it turns out to be true.

Wagner 08-27-2008 02:45 PM

Heard it on the Brian Wilson show today. Rumor has it that the Rep party is sitting on this info waiting for him to be named the nominee..then slam. And the Dems have to run a new candidate (Hillary??).

Funny part is birth records are suppose to be public domain...Obama's are sealed :dunno:

Apparently 3 experts checked out the supposed HI BC and the BC was fake, actually rumor was it is his sisters marriage cert with the names changed. Interesting fact is that Obama had an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan when the US State Dept did not allow US citizens to travel there. In school he was listed as Indonesian with religion as Islam and country of citizenship as Indonesia.

soccerjunky 08-27-2008 02:50 PM

http://forums.viperclub.org/images/smilies/hitfan.gif

Meiac09 08-27-2008 03:25 PM

Holy ish!
If thats true, I might have a worthwhile vote after all, since ME is and will always be a total Liberal state.

AzX5 08-27-2008 03:35 PM

The dems will certainly pursue McCain's elgibility again if anything comes of this. Would be great if both candidates were ruled inelgible!

Krimson X 08-27-2008 03:43 PM

Summary of article:

1. We "really" don't believe he was born in Hawaii.
2. We "think" he was born in Kenya.
3. "If he was born in Hawaii, and he was adopted in Indonesia by Lolo Soetoro, (Obama) would lose his citizenship," Berg said.
************************************************** ************************************************** **********
At least Berg covered all bases like a good attorney should.

If you were born in the United States, you do not lose your citizenship unless you renounce it. If he was born in Hawaii, then he is still a "natural-born citizen." Then number three is of no consequence.


Wasn't McCain born in Panama Canal Zone?

4point4eye 08-27-2008 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krimson X
Wasn't McCain born in Panama Canal Zone?

Yep, it's the status of McCain that should be challenged - not Obama's... :popcorn:

Wagner 08-27-2008 03:56 PM

:thud:

brian5 08-27-2008 04:38 PM

Finally!!!

A political thread that doesn't make me :yawn:

Wagner 08-27-2008 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brian5
Finally!!!

A political thread that doesn't make me :yawn:

:rofl:

It should get interesting next week when Obama is the official poster boy for the socialist party.

Quicksilver 08-27-2008 04:52 PM

Let's get the tin foil hats shall we

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...079/418/572147

AzX5 08-27-2008 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quicksilver
Let's get the tin foil hats shall we

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...079/418/572147

:bustingup
Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.

Wagner 08-27-2008 05:34 PM

Well then the issue should be quickly nixed by presentation of the sealed BC from HI....right?

trueX5er 08-27-2008 05:46 PM

He was obviously born in Hawaii. He's told me that he was "originally from Hawaii", "and called a lot of places home". I didn't go into further detail.

McCain wasn't even born in the United States. Not that he isn't technically an American Citizen, but it was Panama. He shouldn't be pointing fingers.

chonko 08-27-2008 05:47 PM

Another piece of worthless publication.

motordavid 08-27-2008 06:06 PM

Not a 'Bama or any politco fan, but the LilMac was born in the
Panama Canal Zone. I know they made that "count", but it
ain't exactly Kansas, Toto.

I can hardly wait for the underarm and underware "discoveries" over
the next 6 weeks...

FSETH 08-27-2008 06:07 PM

Yeah, last time I checked "God" wasn't born in the US. :rofl:

Wagner 08-27-2008 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trueX5er
He was obviously born in Hawaii. He's told me that he was "originally from Hawaii", "and called a lot of places home". I didn't go into further detail.

McCain wasn't even born in the United States. Not that he isn't technically an American Citizen, but it was Panama. He shouldn't be pointing fingers.

He didn't point a finger :confused:

4point4eye 08-27-2008 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FSETH
Yeah, last time I checked "God" wasn't born in the US. :rofl:

:genius: If God is everywhere, that would mean that God is you, too. And, if God is you and you were born in the US, then God was in fact born in the US!

FSETH 08-27-2008 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4point4eye
:genius: If God is everywhere, that would mean that God is you, too. And, if God is you and you were born in the US, then God was in fact born in the US!

What???

J-O-K-E

Meiac09 08-27-2008 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trueX5er
He was obviously born in Hawaii. He's told me that he was "originally from Hawaii", "and called a lot of places home". I didn't go into further detail.

Mine says I was born in Boston, however I'm definately not "originally from Boston". WTF does that have to do with anything, and no, that does not make it obvious that he was born there.

brian5 08-27-2008 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wagner
:rofl:

It should get interesting next week when Obama is the official poster boy for the socialist party.

:bustingup I feel that it's not right that I find this funny but it cracks me up!!

brian5 08-27-2008 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meiac09
Mine says I was born in Boston, however I'm definately not "originally from Boston". WTF does that have to do with anything, and no, that does not make it obvious that he was born there.

I agree. My wife was born in Zambia (well, Northern Rhodesia at the time) but she is definitely not originally from Zambia...

It's interesting, to me anyway, that Obama was at the same school in Indonesia (I think at the same time) as her two sisters who there for a year or two. I'll have to ask them if they remember him or possibly Barry Soertoro (which is his name if the latest rumors are to be believed :D )...

trueX5er 08-27-2008 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meiac09
Mine says I was born in Boston, however I'm definately not "originally from Boston". WTF does that have to do with anything, and no, that does not make it obvious that he was born there.

So you think he lied to me :confused: ?
I think our usage of the word "originally from" differs by region. He meant it as that was where he was born/raised, and that was the way I understood it.

FSETH 08-27-2008 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trueX5er
So you think he lied to me :confused: ?
I think our usage of the word "originally from" differs by region. He meant it as that was where he was born/raised, and that was the way I understood it.

A politician lie! What is this world coming to?:bustingup

Meiac09 08-27-2008 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trueX5er
that was the way I understood it.

ding ding ding we have a winner

trueX5er 08-27-2008 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FSETH
A politician lie! What is this world coming to?:bustingup

Didn't know he was a politician when he told me this....

noncom23 08-27-2008 08:18 PM

Always suspected this...

FSETH 08-27-2008 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trueX5er
Didn't know he was a politician when he told me this....

He was practicing on you.

blondboinsd 08-27-2008 09:34 PM

Haha can't wait to see that!!

MrLabGuy 08-27-2008 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trueX5er
He was obviously born in Hawaii. He's told me that he was "originally from Hawaii", "and called a lot of places home". I didn't go into further detail.

McCain wasn't even born in the United States. Not that he isn't technically an American Citizen, but it was Panama. He shouldn't be pointing fingers.

Sorry, Military bases are considered American soverign soil regardless of the longitude and latitude.

Are you saying being born on a military base as a child of our military personnel is akin to a forfeit birth certificate?

Let's just chuck the children of our military personnel into the streets where they are serving.

Krimson X 08-28-2008 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy
Sorry, Military bases are considered American soverign soil regardless of the longitude and latitude.

Are you saying being born on a military base as a child of our military personnel is akin to a forfeit birth certificate?

Let's just chuck the children of our military personnel into the streets where they are serving.

Try again:stickpoke There is a difference between a citizen and a "natural born citizen" as a prerequisite to the presidency.

Section 1, Article II of the U.S. Constitution reads: "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." (Emphasis added).

All persons born in the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of foreign diplomats) are citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment. Persons born in the United States, and persons born on foreign soil to two U.S. parents, are born American citizens and are classified as citizens at birth under 8 USC 1401.

There is some debate over whether persons who were born US citizens and are classified as citizens at birth under U.S. law should also be considered citizens "by birth," whether they should all be considered to be "naturalized," or whether they should be considered "statutory citizens." There is also some debate over whether there is a meaningful legal distinction between citizens "at birth", citizens "by birth" and "statutory citizens" since U.S. law makes no such distinction, nor does the Fourteenth Amendment use the term "at birth." Current U.S. statutes define certain individuals born overseas as "citizens at birth." One side of the argument interprets the Constitution as meaning that a person either is born in the United States or is a naturalized citizen. According to this view, in order to be a "natural born citizen," a person must be born in the United States or in an incorporated territory, such as the US Virgin Islands; otherwise, he is a citizen "by law" and is therefore a "statutory citizen," because naturalization implies a pre-requisite of foreign citizenship.

Current State Department policy reads: "Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."

MrLabGuy 08-28-2008 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krimson X
Try again:stickpoke There is a difference between a citizen and a "natural born citizen" as a prerequisite to the presidency.

Section 1, Article II of the U.S. Constitution reads: "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." (Emphasis added).

All persons born in the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of foreign diplomats) are citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment. Persons born in the United States, and persons born on foreign soil to two U.S. parents, are born American citizens and are classified as citizens at birth under 8 USC 1401.

There is some debate over whether persons who were born US citizens and are classified as citizens at birth under U.S. law should also be considered citizens "by birth," whether they should all be considered to be "naturalized," or whether they should be considered "statutory citizens." There is also some debate over whether there is a meaningful legal distinction between citizens "at birth", citizens "by birth" and "statutory citizens" since U.S. law makes no such distinction, nor does the Fourteenth Amendment use the term "at birth." Current U.S. statutes define certain individuals born overseas as "citizens at birth." One side of the argument interprets the Constitution as meaning that a person either is born in the United States or is a naturalized citizen. According to this view, in order to be a "natural born citizen," a person must be born in the United States or in an incorporated territory, such as the US Virgin Islands; otherwise, he is a citizen "by law" and is therefore a "statutory citizen," because naturalization implies a pre-requisite of foreign citizenship.

Current State Department policy reads: "Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."

I'd say that is fundamentally WRONG and I don't believe it is that clear in the Constitution as interpreted by experts. I'd like to see the Obama camp argue that during the election. Now if Obama indeed has a fake birth certificate he is SUNK.

MrLabGuy 08-28-2008 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krimson X
Interpretation? The Constitution does not need to be interpreted. (But I guess that is what the S.Ct. is for)

Tell that to the drafters of the Constitution. Everything else in it seems to be rock-solid? The Constitution is the most well-thought and well-crafted legal contract ever created.

The law is there to keep political figures like the "Terminator" from obtaining citizenship thru naturalization and becoming president... even though he is a better candidate than Obama or McCain. ;) (j/k!)

You forget that particular notation was added as a safeguard for foreign born potential citizens before the US had foreign military bases. The wording is unclear and open to interpretation as is almost any law enacted by lawmakers. That is why we have Supreme Court Justices. Do you realize how many times the verbiage in the constitution has been interpreted and re-interpreted?

John McCain's situation does not fall under the true intent of the verbiage of that passage. I look forward to Obama and his campaign bringing up this issue in response to his perceived forged documents.

LeMansX5 08-28-2008 01:05 AM

Mystery solved*: Barack Obama was American-born

Barack Obama's birth certificate revealed here - ..............."McCain was, in fact, born in a U.S. military hospital in the Panama Canal Zone, where his father was serving in the Navy. That was, in fact, American-controlled territory at the time."

Krimson X 08-28-2008 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy
You forget that particular notation was added as a safeguard for foreign born potential citizens before the US had foreign military bases. The wording is unclear and open to interpretation as is almost any law enacted by lawmakers. That is why we have Supreme Court Justices. Do you realize how many times the verbiage in the constitution has been interpreted and re-interpreted?

John McCain's situation does not fall under the true intent of the verbiage of that passage. I look forward to Obama and his campaign bringing up this issue in response to his perceived forged documents.

The wording is clear. "NO PERSON, EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN... SHALL BE ELIGIBLE TO THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT"

You cannot be more explicit... unless you don't know what natural-born means?

Look, I am not saying that McCain is not eligible to the office. I am only telling you that, according to current State Department Policy, birth on foreign U.S. military bases does not automatically impart U.S. citizenship to a person.

MrLabGuy 08-28-2008 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeMansX5
Mystery solved*: Barack Obama was American-born

Barack Obama's birth certificate revealed here - ..............."McCain was, in fact, born in a U.S. military hospital in the Panama Canal Zone, where his father was serving in the Navy. That was, in fact, American-controlled territory at the time."

OK....I really want to enjoy this evening but I can't resist.

So Obama's birth certificate is real because the Los Angeles Times said so? The LA Times is on par with the Huffington Post.

Krimson X 08-28-2008 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy
OK....I really want to enjoy this evening but I can't resist.

So Obama's birth certificate is real because the Los Angeles Times said so? The LA Times is on par with the Huffington Post.

:rolleyes: Let it die, already. They are both eligible for the office.

brian5 08-28-2008 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeMansX5
Mystery solved*: Barack Obama was American-born

Barack Obama's birth certificate revealed here - ..............."McCain was, in fact, born in a U.S. military hospital in the Panama Canal Zone, where his father was serving in the Navy. That was, in fact, American-controlled territory at the time."

Interesting links you have there.

The first that says that Barack Oboma was American-born has the following info at the bottom:

So that should settle it ... unless ... wait ... the people at FactCheck.org use computers, with keypads, that have the letters r-e-z-k-o on them, which just happened to spell the name of one of Obama's disgraced former backers ... and they were in Chicago to see the birth certificate at ... Obama headquarters ... CONNECT THE DOTS, PEOPLE!

So FactCheck.org, which is owned by The Annenberg Foundation, has ties to the disgraced fundraiser (Tony Rezko) that was one of Obama's first major financial contributors??? I don't think this saga is over yet...

Note this "birth certificate" that's appearing in the links is NOT the original birth certificate (i.e. the hospital birth certificate), it's just a birth certificate printed considerably later than 1961. Probably even after 2001 given that it has 'Rev. 11/01" in bottom left corner.

And what about the question as to whether his mother was U.S. citizen at the time of his birth? :)

cbax5 08-28-2008 06:06 AM

Wow, how original.. A fake birth certificate that no-one, not the Republicans, Fox News or even the Clintons, discovered, but Philip Berg did.... This amazing revelation is right up there with finding the remains of Bigfoot in Georgia.

My goodness... :bustingup

Really? This was "thread worthy"? Really? :confused:

Oh my.....

Wagner 08-28-2008 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brian5
Interesting links you have there.

The first that says that Barack Oboma was American-born has the following info at the bottom:

So that should settle it ... unless ... wait ... the people at FactCheck.org use computers, with keypads, that have the letters r-e-z-k-o on them, which just happened to spell the name of one of Obama's disgraced former backers ... and they were in Chicago to see the birth certificate at ... Obama headquarters ... CONNECT THE DOTS, PEOPLE!

So FactCheck.org, which is owned by The Annenberg Foundation, has ties to the disgraced fundraiser (Tony Rezko) that was one of Obama's first major financial contributors??? I don't think this saga is over yet...

Note this "birth certificate" that's appearing in the links is NOT the original birth certificate (i.e. the hospital birth certificate), it's just a birth certificate printed considerably later than 1961. Probably even after 2001 given that it has 'Rev. 11/01" in bottom left corner.

And what about the question as to whether his mother was U.S. citizen at the time of his birth? :)


I'd still want clarification on the Pakistan/Indonesian issue. Shouldn't be that hard to answer. How did you get into Pakistan when no US citizen was allowed to travel there? Why did your citizenship get labeled "Indonesian" and why did you have an "Indonesian passport". Simple questions.

LeMansX5 08-28-2008 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy
So Obama's birth certificate is real because the Los Angeles Times said so? The LA Times is on par with the Huffington Post.

Did I say its real? :confused:

4point4eye 08-28-2008 02:18 PM

"McCain - Ridge" - you heard it here first on X5 World...

primetime 08-28-2008 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wagner
I'd still want clarification on the Pakistan/Indonesian issue. Shouldn't be that hard to answer. How did you get into Pakistan when no US citizen was allowed to travel there? Why did your citizenship get labeled "Indonesian" and why did you have an "Indonesian passport". Simple questions.

+1

LeMansX5 08-28-2008 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wagner
I'd still want clarification on the Pakistan/Indonesian issue. Shouldn't be that hard to answer. How did you get into Pakistan when no US citizen was allowed to travel there? Why did your citizenship get labeled "Indonesian" and why did you have an "Indonesian passport". Simple questions.

Dual citizenship? :dunno: America does allow dual citizenship if you have US citizenship first. Depends on what passport you use while travelling.

Krimson X 08-28-2008 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeMansX5
Dual citizenship? :dunno: America does allow dual citizenship if you have US citizenship first. Depends on what passport you use while travelling.

i.e. Becky Hammond, WNBA player who played for Russia in the Olympics. She is a natural-born U.S. citizen who was issued a Russian pasport for purposes of playing on the Russian National team.

Some were quick to call her a traitor. She just wanted to play in the Olympics. The USA team didn't call...Russia did.

FSETH 08-28-2008 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krimson X
:rolleyes: Let it die, already. They are both eligible for the office.

:iagree: This will be a non-issue. Even if he didn't have a legitimate B.C. I can guarantee that one will magically appear if need be.

Wagner 08-28-2008 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeMansX5
Dual citizenship? :dunno: America does allow dual citizenship if you have US citizenship first. Depends on what passport you use while travelling.


Could be, wonder if he'll say that :dunno:

4point4eye 10-24-2008 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4point4eye
"McCain - Ridge" - you heard it here first on X5 World...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...e-white-house/

If McCain had selected Ridge, as I would have done if I were McCain, then this race would be OhhhhSooooClose.......... :doh:

Wagner 10-24-2008 03:36 PM

The most accurate poll in 2004 was done by TIPP...

TIPP currently has this years poll as this:

45% Obama
42% McCain

http://www.tipponline.com/

Seems pretty dang close to me.

AzX5 10-24-2008 05:10 PM

With 12% undecided, I think McCain gets a majority of those that will vote. It will be close for sure...

brian5 10-24-2008 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AzX5
With 12% undecided, I think McCain gets a majority of those that will vote. It will be close for sure...

I think that McCain will get a lot of the undecided voters too. Based on my experience and what I'm reading, the Obama voters have made up their mind.

sbarsap 10-24-2008 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wagner
The most accurate poll in 2004 was done by TIPP...

TIPP currently has this years poll as this:

45% Obama
42% McCain

http://www.tipponline.com/

Seems pretty dang close to me.

Keep dreaming, I bet you believed that Obama wasn't a US citizen as well.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
http://www.electoral-vote.com/

If you want Mccain to run the country like he has run his campaign then please vote for him.

Wagner 10-24-2008 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbarsap
Keep dreaming, I bet you believed that Obama wasn't a US citizen as well.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
http://www.electoral-vote.com/

If you want Mccain to run the country like he has run his campaign then please vote for him.

WTF are you talking about??? Just find this thread did ya :rofl: You can believe the poll that was right, or not..your choice :rofl:

sbarsap 10-24-2008 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wagner
WTF are you talking about??? Just find this thread did ya :rofl: You can believe the poll that was right, or not..your choice :rofl:

Keep believing a poll that is using 2004 standards of polling. Someone needs to get their head out of their a$$, maybe joe the plumber can help with the unclogging.:bustingup

Now go help McNasty with his GOTV if you think it' so close instead of wasting your time on a auto forum, loser.

Wagner 10-24-2008 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbarsap
Keep believing a poll that is using 2004 standards of polling. Someone needs to get their head out of their a$$, maybe joe the plumber can help with the unclogging.:bustingup

Now go help McNasty with his GOTV if you think it' so close instead of wasting your time on a auto forum, loser.


God I love new guys :rofl:

How those blinders working out for you? Was the Obama kool-aid tasty? Socialist :rofl:

Quicksilver 10-24-2008 07:49 PM

sbarsap;

I'm gonna do you a favor and give you a heads up.
Dabating is a good thing round these parts. In fact
in the politico forum it's encouraged because it's set apart
from the auto part of this site. But being a new guy
you may want to be careful about what school yard
fight you start and who you start it with......;)

noncom23 10-24-2008 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quicksilver
sbarsap;

I'm gonna do you a favor and give you a heads up.
Dabating is a good thing round these parts. In fact
in the politico forum it's encouraged because it's set apart
from the auto part of this site. But being a new guy
you may want to be careful about what school yard
fight you start and who you start it with......;)

+1:cool:

Eric5273 10-25-2008 02:21 AM

Saying that someone "needs to get their head out of their a$$" is not what I call debating. Having been on the receiving end of similar comments many times on this board, I can say that it's uncalled for. Maybe you should post some links and state some facts or opinions rather than call the other guy names. Not only is it more polite, but if your argument is actually a good one, you may actually change someone's mind. Imagine that... :wow:


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