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Obama isn't a US Citizen...
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Wow - that's going to be huge! If it turns out to be true.
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Heard it on the Brian Wilson show today. Rumor has it that the Rep party is sitting on this info waiting for him to be named the nominee..then slam. And the Dems have to run a new candidate (Hillary??).
Funny part is birth records are suppose to be public domain...Obama's are sealed :dunno: Apparently 3 experts checked out the supposed HI BC and the BC was fake, actually rumor was it is his sisters marriage cert with the names changed. Interesting fact is that Obama had an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan when the US State Dept did not allow US citizens to travel there. In school he was listed as Indonesian with religion as Islam and country of citizenship as Indonesia. |
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Holy ish!
If thats true, I might have a worthwhile vote after all, since ME is and will always be a total Liberal state. |
The dems will certainly pursue McCain's elgibility again if anything comes of this. Would be great if both candidates were ruled inelgible!
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Summary of article:
1. We "really" don't believe he was born in Hawaii. 2. We "think" he was born in Kenya. 3. "If he was born in Hawaii, and he was adopted in Indonesia by Lolo Soetoro, (Obama) would lose his citizenship," Berg said. ************************************************** ************************************************** ********** At least Berg covered all bases like a good attorney should. If you were born in the United States, you do not lose your citizenship unless you renounce it. If he was born in Hawaii, then he is still a "natural-born citizen." Then number three is of no consequence. Wasn't McCain born in Panama Canal Zone? |
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Finally!!!
A political thread that doesn't make me :yawn: |
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It should get interesting next week when Obama is the official poster boy for the socialist party. |
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Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A. |
Well then the issue should be quickly nixed by presentation of the sealed BC from HI....right?
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He was obviously born in Hawaii. He's told me that he was "originally from Hawaii", "and called a lot of places home". I didn't go into further detail.
McCain wasn't even born in the United States. Not that he isn't technically an American Citizen, but it was Panama. He shouldn't be pointing fingers. |
Another piece of worthless publication.
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Not a 'Bama or any politco fan, but the LilMac was born in the
Panama Canal Zone. I know they made that "count", but it ain't exactly Kansas, Toto. I can hardly wait for the underarm and underware "discoveries" over the next 6 weeks... |
Yeah, last time I checked "God" wasn't born in the US. :rofl:
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J-O-K-E |
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It's interesting, to me anyway, that Obama was at the same school in Indonesia (I think at the same time) as her two sisters who there for a year or two. I'll have to ask them if they remember him or possibly Barry Soertoro (which is his name if the latest rumors are to be believed :D )... |
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I think our usage of the word "originally from" differs by region. He meant it as that was where he was born/raised, and that was the way I understood it. |
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Always suspected this...
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Haha can't wait to see that!!
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Are you saying being born on a military base as a child of our military personnel is akin to a forfeit birth certificate? Let's just chuck the children of our military personnel into the streets where they are serving. |
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Section 1, Article II of the U.S. Constitution reads: "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." (Emphasis added). All persons born in the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of foreign diplomats) are citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment. Persons born in the United States, and persons born on foreign soil to two U.S. parents, are born American citizens and are classified as citizens at birth under 8 USC 1401. There is some debate over whether persons who were born US citizens and are classified as citizens at birth under U.S. law should also be considered citizens "by birth," whether they should all be considered to be "naturalized," or whether they should be considered "statutory citizens." There is also some debate over whether there is a meaningful legal distinction between citizens "at birth", citizens "by birth" and "statutory citizens" since U.S. law makes no such distinction, nor does the Fourteenth Amendment use the term "at birth." Current U.S. statutes define certain individuals born overseas as "citizens at birth." One side of the argument interprets the Constitution as meaning that a person either is born in the United States or is a naturalized citizen. According to this view, in order to be a "natural born citizen," a person must be born in the United States or in an incorporated territory, such as the US Virgin Islands; otherwise, he is a citizen "by law" and is therefore a "statutory citizen," because naturalization implies a pre-requisite of foreign citizenship. Current State Department policy reads: "Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth." |
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John McCain's situation does not fall under the true intent of the verbiage of that passage. I look forward to Obama and his campaign bringing up this issue in response to his perceived forged documents. |
Mystery solved*: Barack Obama was American-born
Barack Obama's birth certificate revealed here - ..............."McCain was, in fact, born in a U.S. military hospital in the Panama Canal Zone, where his father was serving in the Navy. That was, in fact, American-controlled territory at the time." |
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You cannot be more explicit... unless you don't know what natural-born means? Look, I am not saying that McCain is not eligible to the office. I am only telling you that, according to current State Department Policy, birth on foreign U.S. military bases does not automatically impart U.S. citizenship to a person. |
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So Obama's birth certificate is real because the Los Angeles Times said so? The LA Times is on par with the Huffington Post. |
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The first that says that Barack Oboma was American-born has the following info at the bottom: So that should settle it ... unless ... wait ... the people at FactCheck.org use computers, with keypads, that have the letters r-e-z-k-o on them, which just happened to spell the name of one of Obama's disgraced former backers ... and they were in Chicago to see the birth certificate at ... Obama headquarters ... CONNECT THE DOTS, PEOPLE! So FactCheck.org, which is owned by The Annenberg Foundation, has ties to the disgraced fundraiser (Tony Rezko) that was one of Obama's first major financial contributors??? I don't think this saga is over yet... Note this "birth certificate" that's appearing in the links is NOT the original birth certificate (i.e. the hospital birth certificate), it's just a birth certificate printed considerably later than 1961. Probably even after 2001 given that it has 'Rev. 11/01" in bottom left corner. And what about the question as to whether his mother was U.S. citizen at the time of his birth? :) |
Wow, how original.. A fake birth certificate that no-one, not the Republicans, Fox News or even the Clintons, discovered, but Philip Berg did.... This amazing revelation is right up there with finding the remains of Bigfoot in Georgia.
My goodness... :bustingup Really? This was "thread worthy"? Really? :confused: Oh my..... |
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I'd still want clarification on the Pakistan/Indonesian issue. Shouldn't be that hard to answer. How did you get into Pakistan when no US citizen was allowed to travel there? Why did your citizenship get labeled "Indonesian" and why did you have an "Indonesian passport". Simple questions. |
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"McCain - Ridge" - you heard it here first on X5 World...
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Some were quick to call her a traitor. She just wanted to play in the Olympics. The USA team didn't call...Russia did. |
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Could be, wonder if he'll say that :dunno: |
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If McCain had selected Ridge, as I would have done if I were McCain, then this race would be OhhhhSooooClose.......... :doh: |
The most accurate poll in 2004 was done by TIPP...
TIPP currently has this years poll as this: 45% Obama 42% McCain http://www.tipponline.com/ Seems pretty dang close to me. |
With 12% undecided, I think McCain gets a majority of those that will vote. It will be close for sure...
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/ http://www.electoral-vote.com/ If you want Mccain to run the country like he has run his campaign then please vote for him. |
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Now go help McNasty with his GOTV if you think it' so close instead of wasting your time on a auto forum, loser. |
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God I love new guys :rofl: How those blinders working out for you? Was the Obama kool-aid tasty? Socialist :rofl: |
sbarsap;
I'm gonna do you a favor and give you a heads up. Dabating is a good thing round these parts. In fact in the politico forum it's encouraged because it's set apart from the auto part of this site. But being a new guy you may want to be careful about what school yard fight you start and who you start it with......;) |
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Saying that someone "needs to get their head out of their a$$" is not what I call debating. Having been on the receiving end of similar comments many times on this board, I can say that it's uncalled for. Maybe you should post some links and state some facts or opinions rather than call the other guy names. Not only is it more polite, but if your argument is actually a good one, you may actually change someone's mind. Imagine that... :wow:
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