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MrLabGuy 09-13-2008 06:10 PM

Obama comes out swinging
 
Poking fun at McCain not being able to use a computer in a new campaign ad.

Unfortunately, his staff did not research the real reason he avoids the keyboard before throwing together an attack ad as he slips back in the polls.

Seems there was an article in Slate back in 2000 which talks about McCain and his computer use.

From the article in 2000

"At 63, he is the oldest of the bunch and because of his war injuries, he is limited in his ability to wield a keyboard".

http://www.slate.com/id/74812/

Great job Obama...Make fun of a war hero who was beat and broken in a prisoner of war camp.

JCL 09-13-2008 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy
Great job Obama...Make fun of a war hero who was beat and broken in a prisoner of war camp.

Might want to be careful with the rhetoric there...it comes across as you giving unconditional support to a broken individual for the highest elected office, doesn't sound too bright. :rofl:

There are far better quotes about McCain and his lack of comfort with modern technology, you don't have to go back to 2000. I think he used the word illiterate himself. Doesn't have much to do with manual dexterity.

Dannyell 09-13-2008 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCL
Might want to be careful with the rhetoric there...it comes across as you giving unconditional support to a broken individual for the highest elected office, doesn't sound too bright. :rofl:

right on top of it ;) LOL :rofl::rofl::rofl:

MrLabGuy 09-13-2008 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCL
Might want to be careful with the rhetoric there...it comes across as you giving unconditional support to a broken individual for the highest elected office, doesn't sound too bright. :rofl:

There are far better quotes about McCain and his lack of comfort with modern technology, you don't have to go back to 2000.

Unlike you I have no problem supporting people with disabilities. Just look at Stephen Hawking and his contribution to society and explain why a person with a disability should not be allowed to contribute even for the highest office?

Now who sounds silly?

MrLabGuy 09-13-2008 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dannyell
right on top of it ;) LOL :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Better hope you don't get injured or come down with a disability. I doubt you would be laughing then.:dunno:

But then again you're an Obama supporter.

MrLabGuy 09-13-2008 06:26 PM

Here you go JCL. I guess he is not smart enough for you to hold office

http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/i/msnbc/C...-080423-06.jpg

Weasel 09-13-2008 06:45 PM

I agree with MrLabGuy, there is a HUGE difference between a physical handicap that is merely a minor limitation obtained servicing this country and a mental handicap that affects your ability to perform the tasks in a completely different manor... And Stephen Hawking has a all but useless body but an amazing mind that makes him a more useful member of society than most!

MrLabGuy 09-13-2008 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by weasel56
I agree with MrLabGuy, there is a HUGE difference between a physical handicap that is merely a minor limitation obtained servicing this country and a mental handicap that affects your ability to perform the tasks in a completely different manor... And Stephen Hawking has a all but useless body but an amazing mind that makes him a more useful member of society than most!

I was surprise at the criticism above. I guess liberal leaning people talk about compassion and equal rights for handicapped people but laugh at them and others who support them.

Obama better hope McCain does not point out the truth about his handicap and scold him for making fun of his war injuries.

Weasel 09-13-2008 09:26 PM

more realistic liberal statement: what the politicians are probably thinking... "equal rights yes, but equal to someone lesser than me"

I just don't get it. Show me one place in the world that politics are not run by money, influenced by major corporation CEO's. Somewhere that the government is still honestly "of the people, for the people" and only wants whats best for the countries people and I will move there in a second! Yes, I want the fairytale, history book America...!

fln8tive 09-13-2008 10:18 PM

David Paterson, the Governor of NY, is blind. Does that make him any less capable?

Just sayin'...

Quicksilver 09-14-2008 12:56 AM

I agree with JCL

A bit overly sensitive and PC
some of you are, now aren't you?

Weasel 09-14-2008 03:19 AM

I personally believe "political correctness" is one of the big problems with this country. No wait, that might hurt their feelings!

JonK 09-14-2008 03:32 AM

My dad is same age as McCain which is kinda old. Every time I see him he demands some kind of computer help that drives me nuts.....

It is a good thing that McCain can afford to use hired help for his techno-needs unlike most of us, regardless his limited range of motion issues.

I really doubt that Obama is capable of texting in lightening speed with non-qwerty cell phones as what today's teens do.

I am not siding any candidate at least when this is concerned. Should get a life... Picking on trivials.

Weasel 09-14-2008 03:46 AM

yeah, our selection does suck worse than normal this go round... gotta pick the lesser of two evils. Not voting "for" anyone, but voting against the other. God I hate politics! They are corrupt around the world!

MrLabGuy 09-14-2008 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quicksilver
I agree with JCL

A bit overly sensitive and PC
some of you are, now aren't you?

You're too old to have an opinion that matters :D

Quicksilver 09-15-2008 01:47 AM

You've been reading my old post's haven't you?
Yes it's still true. I don't know anything
and i can prove it.........................:nanana:

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy
You're too old to have an opinion that matters :D


JCL 09-15-2008 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy
Unlike you I have no problem supporting people with disabilities. Just look at Stephen Hawking and his contribution to society and explain why a person with a disability should not be allowed to contribute even for the highest office?

Now who sounds silly?

You missed my point by miles.

Let's go back to the start. I didn't make fun of McCain, or any people with disabilities. I made fun of your rabid efforts to slam Obama at every turn, as you are pretty funny sometimes. You said McCain was a beaten and broken individual. That doesn't sound like the sort of person you would want in the White House. Your attack on Obama backfired and made McCain look like a lousy choice. I thought that was funny, not the disabled part. Now who sounds silly?

I don't think physical disabilities have anything to do with it. Broken in spirit and mind doesn't make for a great leader. We know his computer use (or lack of) has nothing to do with physical disabilities because McCain himself said that it didn't. He used the word illiterate to describe his own computer abilities. That doesn't mean disabled, just unable. The physically disabled card was played by apologists from his party, it was 8 years ago, and he denied it himself. Drop it already.

Now, did you compare McCain to Stephen Hawking? I just threw up in my mouth. :rofl:

The mayor of my city is in a wheelchair. He carried the flag at the Turin Olympics in that chair. He has been a champion for the disabled. He is a so-so mayor IMO, and his own party has chosen another candidate for the next election, but that has absolutely nothing to do with him being in a wheelchair.

MrLabGuy 09-15-2008 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCL
You missed my point by miles.

Let's go back to the start. I didn't make fun of McCain, or any people with disabilities. I made fun of your rabid efforts to slam Obama at every turn, as you are pretty funny sometimes. You said McCain was a beaten and broken individual. That doesn't sound like the sort of person you would want in the White House. Your attack on Obama backfired and made McCain look like a lousy choice. I thought that was funny, not the disabled part. Now who sounds silly?

I don't think physical disabilities have anything to do with it. Broken in spirit and mind doesn't make for a great leader. We know his computer use (or lack of) has nothing to do with physical disabilities because McCain himself said that it didn't. He used the word illiterate to describe his own computer abilities. That doesn't mean disabled, just unable. The physically disabled card was played by apologists from his party, it was 8 years ago, and he denied it himself. Drop it already.

Now, did you compare McCain to Stephen Hawking? I just threw up in my mouth. :rofl:

The mayor of my city is in a wheelchair. He carried the flag at the Turin Olympics in that chair. He has been a champion for the disabled. He is a so-so mayor IMO, and his own party has chosen another candidate for the next election, but that has absolutely nothing to do with him being in a wheelchair.

Obama was making fun of his inability to use a computer when the truth is McCain can't use a keyboard due to having his hands broken in a prisoner of war camp. His body is broken which is what we are talking about. It is said that everyone breaks under torture but McCain when left with an opportunity to go home said "no thanks"....It was not his turn. I don't consider that broken. His body is another story.

That sounds exactly like the person I want in the White House. The Obama camp made yet another mistake in an attempt to play dirty politics.

Nice of you to give him a pass.

JCL 09-15-2008 02:26 AM

You just skipped all the facts again.

Check out McCain's own comments on his ability to use a keyboard. Illiterate doesn't mean lack of dexterity. Obama was making fun of him being out of touch. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I wasn't laughing at McCain, or Obama, just at how your first post backfired on you. Don't worry about it.

Oh, and can you get Stephen Hawking to run instead of Palin? That way the average IQ on the ticket would solve the current problem.

MrLabGuy 09-15-2008 02:28 AM

Hey JCL

This was even published in the Boston Globe in 2000.

McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care. The outrage comes from inside: McCain's severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes. Friends marvel at McCain's encyclopedic knowledge of sports. He's an avid fan - Ted Williams is his hero - but he can't raise his arm above his shoulder to throw a baseball.

Pretty easy to tell by watching McCain walk, reach and how he holds his hands that he has some serious physical limitations as a result of his 5 years in that Prisoner of War Camp.

Still want to defend the Obama ad? I thought he was telling everyone he was different kind of politician.

MrLabGuy 09-15-2008 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCL
You just skipped all the facts again.

Check out McCain's own comments on his ability to use a keyboard. Illiterate doesn't mean lack of dexterity. Obama was making fun of him being out of touch. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I wasn't laughing at McCain, or Obama, just at how your first post backfired on you. Don't worry about it.

Oh, and can you get Stephen Hawking to run instead of Palin? That way the average IQ on the ticket would solve the current problem.

Sorry again...YOU missed the point. If you can't type on a keyboard you would not spend much time on a computer. Cause and effect.

This as a result of his service to America.

You don't seem to get it...

Quicksilver 09-15-2008 02:49 AM

Come on MrLabGuy.

I don't think Obama was making fun of his inability to use a computer because McCain can't use a keyboard
due to having his hands broken in a prisoner of war camp. I don't think you find that language anywhere so give that a rest.

If anyone was making fun of his inability to use a computer it was for no other reason
but to point out that brotherman is out of touch with at least that part of what's going on in the world.
To make any more of it than that is frankly a weak argument.

To say that because Mr. McCain has any better judgement regarding the ability to run the government
just because he was a POW is off base as well.
No one i know of considers him a better candidate because of that.

Remember presidents are not elected because of their moral stand and their ability to
stand up under torture. While everyone admires that, in reality no one cares about that.

What people care about is what is your vision going forward? What are you going to do for me?
Retoric is the watchword. Who can sound the most convincing.
Who can sell dreams ( chicken in every pot kinda thing).
It's whose the most effective at playing the pipe and get everybody
dancing to their tune. The pied piper thing. It's all a big show.

Issues are irrelevant because everyone already knows that
you can promise all you want but in reality no one ever
really accomplishes what they set out to do. There are just
to many forces in place to prevent it.

It's fun to watch though. It's like going to a liers convention. :popcorn:

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy
Obama was making fun of his inability to use a computer when the truth is McCain can't use a keyboard due to having his hands broken in a prisoner of war camp. His body is broken which is what we are talking about. It is said that everyone breaks under torture but McCain when left with an opportunity to go home said "no thanks"....It was not his turn. I don't consider that broken. His body is another story.

That sounds exactly like the person I want in the White House. The Obama camp made yet another mistake in an attempt to play dirty politics.

Nice of you to give him a pass.


JCL 09-15-2008 11:38 AM

The lack of intellectual discipline and rigor here is incredible. Just a couple of things that don't fit:
  • I was laughing at MrLabGuy's post, not at McCain. MLG put his foot in it and put forth an argument that defeated his own point. Funny stuff. It is irrelevant which candidates we are talking about here, the logical fallacy was the entire point that of my comment.
  • If not using a keyboard is reason for not knowing anything about computers (my original phrasing used the word illiterate, which was McCain's quote), why does showing a photo of Stephen Hawking at a computer support the premise that a physical disability is a reason to be ignorant of computers? That presumes that McCain has a physical disability, but let's leave that aside for a moment. Once again, MLG disproved his own point.
Debate much?

Now, back to the question that was skipped over in the race to label me a liberal that doesn't care about the disabled (hmmm, is that even possible?). What I wanted to know, since MLG introduced Stephen Hawking to the conversation, is how he could get him on the ticket instead of Palin.

MrLabGuy 09-15-2008 12:02 PM

Quick and JCL.

Of course Obama did not "intentionally" make fun of McCain's disability in an "attack" political ad he approved. Fact is if they did some research they would have found out that he is unable to use a computer keyboard due to his war injuries. It was a dumb ad and a dumb move on his part and that was my point.

Sure McCain makes fun of his own computer illiteracy; however, in 2000 it was made clear in Slate and the Boston Globe the reasons why he does not use a computer and is therefore computer illiterate.

Obama making fun of that fact whether or not intentional is making fun of his disability. Then you JCL come back with a hit on me that I'm supporting someone disabled which basically you saying someone disabled should not hold office.

Your intent is pretty clear.

MrLabGuy 09-15-2008 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quicksilver
Come on MrLabGuy.

I don't think Obama was making fun of his inability to use a computer because McCain can't use a keyboard
due to having his hands broken in a prisoner of war camp. I don't think you find that language anywhere so give that a rest.

If anyone was making fun of his inability to use a computer it was for no other reason
but to point out that brotherman is out of touch with at least that part of what's going on in the world.
To make any more of it than that is frankly a weak argument.

To say that because Mr. McCain has any better judgement regarding the ability to run the government
just because he was a POW is off base as well.
No one i know of considers him a better candidate because of that.

Remember presidents are not elected because of their moral stand and their ability to
stand up under torture. While everyone admires that, in reality no one cares about that.

What people care about is what is your vision going forward? What are you going to do for me?
Retoric is the watchword. Who can sound the most convincing.
Who can sell dreams ( chicken in every pot kinda thing).
It's whose the most effective at playing the pipe and get everybody
dancing to their tune. The pied piper thing. It's all a big show.

Issues are irrelevant because everyone already knows that
you can promise all you want but in reality no one ever
really accomplishes what they set out to do. There are just
to many forces in place to prevent it.

It's fun to watch though. It's like going to a liers convention. :popcorn:

Again...Read my last post. Obama did not intentionally make fun of his disability but the reality is he ended up doing so anyway. That was my point. If you are going to run an attack ad then it is best to do your homework.

Pretty weak of you if you can't see the logic in this argument.

Secondly. You are assuming that I'm voting for McCain for one issue if you think that my only focus is in time spent in captivity. You would be wrong. That aspect of his character is admirable but not reason enough to expect he would make a great commander in chief.

Quicksilver 09-15-2008 05:35 PM

Either he did or he didn't say it. Insert my truth here where it's convienent to support an argument. For example some folks around here characterized Obama's comments this way

"Obama better hope McCain does not point out the truth about his handicap and scold him for making fun of his war injuries".

When did Obama ever make fun of McCain's war injuries?
The truth is Obama never did and to say he did is a lie.

If you're going to argue a point please stick to the facts.



Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy
Again...Read my last post. Obama did not intentionally make fun of his disability but the reality is he ended up doing so anyway. That was my point. If you are going to run an attack ad then it is best to do your homework.

Pretty weak of you if you can't see the logic in this argument.

Secondly. You are assuming that I'm voting for McCain for one issue if you think that my only focus is in time spent in captivity. You would be wrong. That aspect of his character is admirable but not reason enough to expect he would make a great commander in chief.


MrLabGuy 09-15-2008 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quicksilver
Either he did or he didn't say it. Insert my truth here where it's convienent to support an argument. For example some folks around here characterized Obama's comments this way

"Obama better hope McCain does not point out the truth about his handicap and scold him for making fun of his war injuries".

When did Obama ever make fun of McCain's war injuries?
The truth is Obama never did and to say he did is a lie.

If you're going to argue a point please stick to the facts.

Fact: Obama was making fun of McCain in an attack ad for being out of touch by pointing out that he was computer illiterate.

Fact: McCain has a hard time using a keyboard as well as many tasks which require dexterity due to his torture in a prisoner of war camp.

Fact: If you can't use a keyboard it is very unlikely that you will become good at using a computer.

Fact: Age is not really a factor when it comes to being able to use a computer. (You're an example of that).

Fact: His attack ad was trying to show he was out of touch by not using a computer when the real reason is his disability. This information about his limitations did not just come out...It came to light in 2000 by two separate sources.

Fact: His attack ad intentional or not was wrong and he unknowingly made fun of his disability.

Why is that so hard to admit?

Quicksilver 09-15-2008 05:49 PM

Point out the information where Obama said that he was computer illiterate
due to his disability because of torture in a prisoner of war camp.

MrLabGuy 09-15-2008 05:54 PM

:rolleyes: :explode: :doh: :dh: :gunner: :hammer: :chair: :smackass: :cussing: :fired: :pullhair:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Quicksilver
Point out the information where Obama said that he was computer illiterate
due to his disability because of torture in a prisoner of war camp.


Kewl X5 09-15-2008 05:55 PM

You know what, does it really matter who runs the country these days!! A bunch of empty promises and lies. Everyone is out for their own interest these days. I don't see any difference in the country whether we had a Republican or Democrat for a President or whether the majority of Congress was Democrat or Republican. The Democrats promised they would change things taking over Congress...did they? The Republicans promised change 8 years ago, did they? The country had economic downturn whether it was a Democrat in charge (Carter) or Republican (G.W. Bush). Now, each side are calling each side a liar over trivial things....I want to hear what each person's real plan in fixing our problems. Politics these days are just nasty and we are becoming like Rome right before the Roman Empire fell...

Quicksilver 09-15-2008 05:57 PM

:iagree:

Thank you sir for pointing it out AGAIN!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kewl X5
You know what, does it really matter who runs the country these days!! A bunch of empty promises and lies. Everyone is out for their own interest these days. I don't see any difference in the country whether we had a Republican or Democrat for a President or whether the majority of Congress was Democrat or Republican. The Democrats promised they would change things taking over Congress...did they? The Republicans promised change 8 years ago, did they? The country had economic downturn whether it was a Democrat in charge (Carter) or Republican (G.W. Bush). Now, each side are calling each side a liar over trivial things....I want to hear what each person's real plan in fixing our problems. Politics these days are just nasty and we are becoming like Rome right before the Roman Empire fell...


Dannyell 09-15-2008 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy
Better hope you don't get injured or come down with a disability. I doubt you would be laughing then.:dunno:

But then again you're an Obama supporter.

you must have misunderstood me...I was not making fun at McCain...I was just pointing to the fact that JCL was right at your statement...

and I am not an Obama supporter...I just don't want another Bush...


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