This is sad
 

Chip another notch in the "media insisting on making race an issue in everything".

Let's ignore the racism implicit in the line "On the other side of the racial question, the Illinois Democrat is drawing almost unanimous support from blacks, the poll shows,"

It's sad on many fronts, when people say:

"I won't vote for him because he's black"

and

"I'm voting for him because he's black"

and

"I'm voting for her because she's a woman"

and

"I'm not voting for her because she's a woman"

:iagree: I'm sick of people using the race card in this election, it goes both ways Quick...

What goes both way's?

Not voting for someone because their black is exactly the same as ONLY voting for someone because their black, it goes both ways and I'm sick (along with I'm sure many other people) hearing the race card pulled across the race

The Bradley Effect will be a significant factor in this election, IMO. I know of many Democrats who would have voted for Hillary, but not Obama based on race and/or gender and nothing to do with policy differences. Very sad indeed.

It appears that there is implicit racism in your response there. Maybe it is just the limitations of an online forum, and not being able to express ourselves completely. After several posts about how racism shouldn't be a part of the election, why would you suggest to Quick that it goes both ways? Are you suggesting that he wants the benefit of support in one direction and not the other? If so, that is grounded in a questionable belief, and it seems an unfair and unfortunate characterization to me.

I don't want to speak for Quicksilver, but I got the impression that he was saying the whole article was sad. Not just one aspect of it.:dunno:

I don't think BB had any implied racism against QS. All of us are presuming, based on this and other postings from QS, that he is supporting Obama for POTUS. I agree with BB, that if you are going to be sad that some will not vote for Obama because he is black, you should also admit and lament that some will vote for Obama strictly because he is black. Either is racism, and both biases are improper. Whatever happened to the concept of judging someone based on their policies, record, and perhaps even "the content of their character, not the color of their skin"?

I live in SoCal which is widely a Democratic and Obama town.

And while I am not 100% decided on who I'm going to vote for, (the more I learn about Palin the less I like her,) I'm pretty much leaning towards the Republicans.

Here is the thing though: When I discuss politics with my friends, the Obama supporters, they INSIST that if OBAMA is not elected President, the only reason is because he's black.

And it's impossible to argue with them. They refuse to believe there is any other reason, other than his skin color, that might prevent him from being elected.

And while I have a very smart group of friends whose opinions I usually respect and appreciate, comments like that make me want to smack them in head. And no matter how rational an argument that I make about other reasons that make him the less desirable choice, they refuse to accept any other logic other than, "If he doesn't get elected, it's because he's black."

I don't think their doing it consciously. I honestly think they are so caught up in what they think is right for the country that they imagine that anyone who doesn't agree with them must be racist. It's actually a pretty obnoxious point of view. As if any other white democrat with Obama's position, experience, etc. would be a shoe in. That no one would vote Republican with a unbeatable candidate like Obama. :rolleyes:

I'm not surprised for one second that the media is going to start playing that card and is going to blame a loss (if there is one) on race. Personally, I don't think most people in 2008 give a rats ass about race. Sure there are some pockets of true racists in this country, but those people would also never vote for a catholic (Kennedy), etc.

If I don't vote for Obama, it will have nothing to do with his skin color. It will be because I don't believe in his foreign policy, tax plan, bigger government, etc.

I agree with the comments that not voting for him because he is black is as bad as voting for him because he is black. Neither choice is based on facts, policy, ability, etc. They are based solely on racial prejudices either way. Voting for Obama because a black person distrusts a white president is as bad a white person not voting for Obama because they distrust a black president. I doubt that these types of bases of decision making will change, just as Biden was out stumping and not-so-subtly reminding his mostly Catholic audience that he is Catholic. They, the politicians, and the media will play every angle even if they have nothing to do with who would be the best person for the job.

I also agree that a win or loss for Obama will be spun to be attributed to race.

The sexism issue is as pervasive as the racial issue. How many people, commentators and everyday people, have questioned the morality/appropriateness of a mother of a disabled infant running for VP? If it were a man with a child with Down's Syndrome at home the question would NEVER be asked. I'm no NOW member but the issue can't be ignored. It has been pushed so hard that even a gay coworker of my wife's was questioning the appropriateness of a mother being a VP. If he had asked me I would have retorted that I would question the morality of a gay VP.

I hate politics.

+1

I fail to see your point here, the point I made was that the racism goes both ways. I'm sick of the race card, it's stupid. Voting for Obama JUST because he is black or saying "if he doesn't get voted it's because he is black" is just as racist and ignorant as not voting for him because he is black. I dislike Obama because he lacks any real-world experience in my opinion, he's way to famous, he literally feels like Paris Hilton to me. Furthermore, because of this love affair I can see his followers refusing to hold him accountable just like any other celebrity when he F*cks up. Add in his "questionable" friends his crazy past comments, candid or not and Biden, who I'm pretty sure has a few skeletons in the closet and it just doesn't add up. Does that make me racist? I'm sure a few Obamanites would say yes, but I say no :thumbup:

I am not a supporter of either candidate nor do i
affiliate myself with or have a biased towards
any political party or candidate. I usually reserve
my 2 cents for people who have served in office
and who's record stands on it's own merrit

What I took away from this article had nothing to do the
the election or the candidates. The article just served
as a backdrop for an issue facing the human race.

If it is true that people honesty believe what this
article says they believe, I'm not the least
bit surprised but it does sadden me. :(

You've got to pick one, my friend. ;)

You certainly are not obligated to tell us who, and if I assumed incorrectly about your thoughts/intentions, I apologize (truly). You are a good man, and I hope I didn't say anything hurtful. :(

GET OUT OF HERE.........Of course you didn't......:D

And no I do not have to pick one and no
I will not pick one...........:nanana:

I also had a whole lot more to say on the subject
but decided to put my spoon back
in the drawer.......:rolleyes:

I agree with you. It is really is sad if this is how people feel. Not voting for or solely voting for someone because of race, gender, etc. is garbage.

Try this..............
Go back and re-read the article and see
what you come away with by removing
the conclusion you reached.

"Not voting for or solely voting for someone because of race, gender"

There's a great deal of substance in that
article that has nothing to do with voting.

You may have misunderstood me. I was trying to say that it is sad that race, gender, etc. is an issue in any aspect of life and that people in general who would be for or against anyone for any reason based on gender or race is obsurd. Otherwise, I guess I dont understand what you were trying to say by your original post and kindly ask you to elaborate.

I wasn't trying to say anything with the OP. Kinda wanted to see where it was going to
end up and most people grabbed the political/voting football and ran with it.

For me it was just a personal epiphany.

When I see stories like this one it reminds me of the age old question,
“what we’re they thinking” Here’s an example.

A few years back a man was stopped by the police for a minor traffic violation.
He probably would have gotten a ticket and he could have went on about his business.
The problem was he had some weapons in the trunk of his car.

So as the office was running his plates and license the man stood by the side of the road and
thought to himself “what am I to do” This cop might check my trunk find the weapons and I will go to jail.

So how did this man solve what he though was a dilemma? He thought to himself “I’ll kill the police officer” So he did.

After this happened I asked myself “what was he thinking”?

Did he consider that even if the officer had found the weapons and he was convicted that his
sentence would not have been the same as it would have been for murder?
He couldn’t have possibly been thinking that he was going to get away with murder could he?

I thought to myself this mans thinking process defies logic. How could he could
fix his brain to conclude that killing a police officer was the answer to this problem.

After that news story it became clear that this world is filled with people have
use their brains to process irrational thinking.

One quote said "We still don't like black people," said John Clouse, 57,
reflecting the sentiments of his pals gathered at a coffee shop in Somerset, Ohio.

After reading that article i concluded again that It is indeed sad that there are so many people who still think like that.

Well racism and bigotry exist everywhere, trust me it's something I've been fighting my whole life, especially now (see my bio line), but some people are hell bent in their ways, close minded and it's sad, I feel sorry for them. It's more important that you have laws in place that protect all people so these people's ideas are as limited as possible

OBAMA said it best on 60 min last Sunday when asked about the same topic:

"There will those who will not vote for because I'm black, but most likely they will even out by those who will vote for me because I'm black.” It shouldn't be an issue!