OK : Who's gonna win it? McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden?
 

Never mind all the talk. (Unless you want to)
Just hit your button.

My vote. Obama Biden...Surprise!

So you voted for both???

Nope. Just who I thought would win the election. I don't cheat.

Is it even possible to vote twice?

We already had the vote, Obama won 19 to 18:

http://www.xoutpost.com/lounge/51277-...president.html

The last vote was for who you choose for president.

This vote is for who you think will win. Entirely different question.

And this time, those not registered to vote can vote here.

Or at least express their opinion by way of a radio button. :cool:

I think McCain had it. Then he made a wise choice and found a running mate that seemed to have all the tools to help him win the election..

But then the running mate dropped the ball. No, I should say, dropped the election.

I wouldn't vote for her for class president, let alone Vice President.. She seemed like a good choice.. But time has spoken and she has shown her colors... Ya Know !

The US has seen a blithering idiot for the last 8 years, despite the hoopla that some seem to project for Palin, no one wants a revisit of having a less than intelligent person in office.

Obama/Biden.. And Thursday should seal it up.

I was a moderate Republican for 32 years. While I have not significantly changed my stand on the key political issues, I have witnessed my party shift dramatically to the right. So by todays standards I am considered a conservative Democrat. I have lost faith that the Republican party will shift back to the center and embrace moderates like me, so I have changed my party affiliation this year to become a registered Democrat. Having said that my take on the candidates is as follows:

McCain: Was a moderate, maverick who has done a 180 deg. turn on a number of key issues to appeal to the right wing fanatics. He has abandoned his honest, straight talk pledge and is now following the advice of his Rove disciple aide and tell out-right lies. It is very sad to see and hear. I am also very concerned about his age and health will increase the chances that his insulting pick of the extremely light-weight Sarah Palin as his running mate to appeal to the narrow minded group of Republicans who only seem to care about where a person stands on the 3G's (God, Guns & Gays), regardless of whether she has capability, intelligence and education to serve as our President in a moments notice. (I do believe that the majority of registered voters of both Parties don't think she does have those vital qualities). I also am concerned that someone who has a literal belief in the bible, including creationism, would impose her beliefs on the rest of the country. McCain's unwillingness to consider negotiating with our adversaries and propensity to out-Bush GW by shooting from the hip, scares the hell out of me. I think he will commit our country to another military conflict or possibly war, that we cannot afford to fight, due to lack of money and manpower. Finally, what he has said and done in the past 3 weeks regarding the financial market crisis has convinced me that he is clueless on what to say and do (as well as to what not to say or do....), to help re-establish confidence in both the markets and public to loosen up credit to keep us from spiraling down into a recession, if not a depression.

Obama: He does not have enough experience, but then who really does, when it comes to the Presidency. I have more faith that he has had the solid education and has demonstrated the necessary intelligence, wisdom to make the right and best choices and decisions to get this country back on track. Also, it will be refreshing to finally have a President again who is able to articulate an idea or concept so we can clearly understand him and not be embarrassed, (unlike George Bush). Biden can be counted to put his foot firmly in his mouth, but has experience in foreign relations to serve as an important adviser to B. Obama. Also, if anything were to happen to Obama I believe that Biden could step in immediately and not totally screw up things. Therefore, I am planning of voting for the Obama/Biden ticket on Nov. 4th.
P.S. - In an ideal world, I would like to see an independent ticket of Michael Bloomberg as President and Hillary Clinton as his VP and Bill Clinton as the U.S. Ambassador to Russia, (this would get him out of the country, far away from Washington. Remember, after the Monica Lewinsky episode and impeachment proceedings a poll was taken in Russia and a vast majority said they would like Bill Clinton to be the President of Russia.....)
So that is my 5 cents opinions....
AVB-AMG

I understand your logic and it makes sense when you consider the articulation and intelligence of Obama. One question though...What do you think of the politics of Nancy Pelosi? Doesn't it scare you to think that all three branches of government will be controlled by the far Left?

Not a slam but an honest question I'm having difficulty accepting.

why didn't you show who voted quick :thumbdown

Didn't think it was important i guess.
Is that the way it's normally done?

:wow:

You can say the same thing of the Democratic Party. They have been hijacked by the Michael Moore, MoveOn.org, left-wing Hollywood loones. Democrats like JFK would be considered moderate Republicans today, small-government, strong defense, etc., etc.

Your logic makes sense, you just have the parties swapped.

I'd just like to know what peeps are actually putting in.

Funny, because I think McCain/Palin will win. They portray themselves to be the underdogs but it's really quite the opposite.

However, I'm very happy with the latest polls. :)

Extremely well said, and :iagree: to an extent.


Oh, and my choice is "To Early to Call"

Not knowing is part of the fun right???

Other wise people, fickle as they are,
If they knew others were watching
might not vote for who they would really
vote for......;)

Questions Answered
 

MrLabGuy:

Let me answer your two questions:

1. Nancy Pelosi - I think Nancy Pelosi is a most unfortunate choice by the Democrats as the House Leader. She is too liberal for my tastes. My feelings about her are not because she is a woman, but because she has exhibited an amazing insensitivity on how to build a bi-partisan coalition and consensus to actually have the House of Representatives accomplish something, (i.e pass legislation). I am as frustrated as most Americans with Congress over the past 8 years, so that includes both Republican controlled and Democrat controlled Congress. They just do not seem to get it! Their rhetoric, debate and choice of issues do not truly reflect the concerns and wishes of most Americans. Ultimately, we all want our elected representatives to accomplish legislation that will benefit most of us, realizing that compromise is part of diplomacy and politics. Their polarization has frozen most bills so nothing worthwhile seems to be accomplished. The most recent example of Pelosi's ignorance was her highly partisan speech just prior to the vote this past Monday for the $700 billion financial crisis bailout/rescue bill. Was it the reason that the bill failed? No, I don't think so, but it was an amazing display of ignorance, insensitivity and stupidity since she alienated most Republican members of the House. She is certainly allowed to express her opinion, (which I happen to agree with....), but I think most people would have waited until after the vote was completed, not before it. I think the President and Congress did a pathetic job of explaining why this bill was and is so important to ALL Americans. We will see later this week what finally happens with the bill that the Senate just passed this evening...

2. All 3 branches of the Government controlled by the far left - I don't believe that all 3 branches of government are controlled by the far left.
Supreme Court - The Supreme Court clearly demonstrated that they are leaning to the right (Republican), when they were asked to decide whether or not to validate the vote count in Florida immediately after the disputed 2000 Presidential election. With their 5 to 4 vote in favor of ratifying the FL vote count without further re-counting, their decision gave George Bush the Presidency with an Electoral College numerical win, even thought Al Gore won the total popular vote. Subsequently, when George Bush appointed John Roberts to become the new Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, the court shifted further to the right. The next President will most likely have the opportunity to appoint at least one if not two new Supreme Court Justices that will have a significant impact on the country's legal rulings over the next several generations.
Congress - The Senate currently has 49 Democrats and 49 Republicans and 2 Independents, pretty much even. Where as the House of Representatives currently has a majority of Democrats, (235 Democrats to 199 Republicans). This is not an overwhelming majority that would allow the Democrats to implement their agenda without some compromise with Republicans, let alone overturn a Presidential Veto. It forces Congress to work together, a seemingly foreign concept over the past 7 years.

Finally, we all have now experienced 7 years of a Republican President & Administration (Executive Branch), a Republican controlled Senate and House of Representatives (Congress) and a right-leaning (Supreme Court). Look where it has gotten us! Our country is a real mess, thanks to this approach (or lack of) to leadership. While ordinarily I would agree with the premise that it is better to have different parties controlling the Executive Branch and Congress, I think we need to have at least one term, possibly two of a Democrat President and Democrat controlled Congress to start the process of swinging the political pendulum back toward the center from its far right position. Changes will not happen overnight. We need to have legislation and programs put in place that address our immediate needs and we need an Administration that will enforce the existing regulations, something that obviously has not been done for far too long.

I hope I have answered your questions sufficently...

AVB-AMG

Additional Response
 

AzX5:
I think Michael Moore is an entertaining left-wing fanatic whose rants do not represent all Democrats, just as the crap that Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter spew out do not represent all Republicans.

JFK is so far from today's Republican sensibilities that I had to LOL at your statement. JFK is a pure Democrat who started the Peace Corps for youth to help other less fortunate people in other countries. He was certainly more moderate than our current President George Bush who created one of the largest deficits in US government history (and we thought only Democrats did that....) and expanded the government bureaucracy by creating The Bureau of Homeland Security. Hmmm.

I guess that I at this point in my life I recognize the inherent problems and limitations of our 2-Party political system. The simplistic labels of liberal vs. conservative do not fit most people's beliefs, values, morals and sentiments. My rather simplistic assumption is that approx. 25% of the American voting public are hard-core, left-wing liberal Democrats and that another 25% are equally adamant, hard-core right wing conservative Republicans. That leaves approximately 50% of the voting American public as more realistically Independents who do not really want to be labeled either a Democrat or Republican. They may allow themselves to be labeled as such since they want to be accepted and liked by their family, neighbors and co-workers, need to do so in order to vote in the Primaries and ultimately don't want to make a big issue that they don't necessarily fit into a defined group or political platform. These are people who is some cases will tell a pollster what they think they may want to hear then vote their true beliefs.

The other concern I have about the current state of the Republican party is that far too many Republicans of all ages seem to display an attitude of fear against change. This fear is also augmented and personified by a self-centered sense of entitlement, selfishness and greed. They have a resentment to the concept that others deserve equal chances for success., (i.e. natural born citizens vs. naturalized citizens). They have obviously decided to become a party that excludes variety to a point of blatant bigotry and racism, expressed with a real mean spiritedness and intolerance, (i.e as exhibited by most conservative radio talk show hosts). They ridicule and ostracize those who do not accept all of their beliefs and insist on imposing their religious beliefs and rules on the rest of us. Unless the Republican party recognizes and accepts that these traits are causing many more people to reject and leave the party than join it, it runs the risk of becoming a minority party for years to come.
(BTW, I am a WASP that was born in the U.S.A. in the midwest)
AVB-AMG

I agree with just about everything you said. I disagree with your opinion that the Republican party is any more racist or intolerant than the Democratic party (just look at which party has the most minorities appointed to high office positions). I know of many racists that are Hillary democrats that would rather not vote at all than vote for Obama, which is very sad considering there is very little difference in policy between Obama and Hillary. And nowhere did I state or imply Bush is a moderate, only that JFK would fit right in as a moderate in today's Republican party.

Both parties disgust me and neither candidate is impressive in the least, but I am a conservative-leaning independent who is sick of the Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi nuts who have steered the Democratic party far to the left and don't know the meaning of bi-partisanship. Obama will fall right along those party lines as he always has, whereas McCain will compromise to get things done (IMO).

Well AzX5, while I respect your opinion I disagree with you on this. I think whoever is finally elected President will have to compromise to get anything accomplished. The perfect example is the current $700 million bailout/rescue plan currently in Congress and how it failed and is now being modified and explained, things that really should have happened initially. Just because McCain has a track record of bi-partisan legislation does not mean that I or many others agree with his stand on many key issues and will therefore support him. It comes down to a trust and faith that the candidate you ultimately choose to support and vote for will do what it takes to introduce the best (define that however you may....) legislation and will spend the time and effort to educate and convince enough people in this country and Congress to support it. Ideally without the suffocating influence of Lobbyists, as has been the case for far too long.... (This may be wishfull thinking). BTW, do you think that Sarah Palin would be as willing to compromise as McCain to get things done? (from what I have heard from her so far, I don't think so...). I for one am willing to give B. Obama a little more credit and faith that he will also compromise and "reach accross the aisle" to enlist the support of the Republicans to get things accomplished. We will see....

AVB-AMG

Well, it looks like this totally unscientific poll of BMW enthusiasts is starting to have a prolonged edge for Obama/Biden.... Any one else want to "register" their vote here?

AVB-AMG

Yeah after last night there has to be a bunch of you that are convinced regarding your position right???

man I wish the names were showing on this poll :)

I seriously doubt the people of this forum make up any part of what these two are going after right now. It is more than evident that almost everyone who routinely posts in these threads has made up their mind. So no poll here is scientific by any measure. Actually, neither are the Gallop polls (remember how wrong they were in the primaries). Polling 1000 possible voters? I don't think that would pass in the Journal of Medicine :rofl:

IMHO I think Pelosi and the rest of the democratic party are going to tell Mr. Obama what to do. They will control how things are done. They can't wait to get him in there. I don't think he will take them on at all, although he might take on the republicans on a per issue basis. The power is shifting to the House and Senate if he gets elected.

I'm not voting for him.

Actually this poll agrees with most recent national polls. Obama leads by 6-10 points in most polls, which in my opinion will equate to a margin of +/- 1% (loss or victory) in the only poll that matters on November 4th.

I believe there are far more Obama "supporters" who will not show up November 4th (or really vote for someone else) than there are for McCain.

america is going to lose either way. the ever increasing pressures of life are going to continue to weaken the good forces versus the bad. just ask the romans.

should have had a 4th choice Bush/Cheney :rofl::rofl::rofl: NVM they are allready winners and loosers depending on how you look at it...

Saw a bumper sticked bush cheney 08 ahahah:bustingup:bustingup too good

Welcome to America Dannyell
you may want to brush (bush?) up on the U.S. Constitution to find out what is and is not allowed.
But then if Michael Bloomberg, Mayor of NYC can say that he plans to run for a third consecutive term, even though he is not allowed to, then what the heck...
(I would vote for Bloomberg if I still lived in NYC)

But really, even if Bush/Cheney could and did run for a 3rd term, what percentage of the voting public would really vote for them, knowing what we now know of what they did for the past 7-8 years and the results of their choices and decisions.......????
I think, at most, around 20%
So Dannyell, would you be among that group?
Would anyone else in this forum?

AVB-AMG

i've been here for a while ... ;) :nanana: and no i never voted for Bush nor id vote for him if he were to run :bustingup:bustingup

At his 8 years of presidency all you can do is laugh...but I am pretty sure

that bumper sticker was just for shits & giggles...just don't see how people

would vote for that puppet again :dunno::dunno::dunno:

Ok, the 2nd Presidential Debate has now concluded. Does anyone who has not "voted" here wish to do so?

Also, I am curious if anyone who was previously undecided now knows who they will vote for and why?

AVB-AMG

My vote stays the same...Obama/Biden will win the election barring no October Surprise.

Ok, the 3rd and final Presidential Debate has now concluded. Does anyone who has not "voted" here who was still "undecided" going into this debate, wish to do so now? (Is that even possible in this forum at this late date...?)

Also, I am curious if anyone who was previously undecided now knows who they will vote for, what are the main reasons for your choice?

AVB-AMG

For those that think it is "in the bag" for Obama based on the so-called polls, here is a little history of polls in late October vs. actual results in early November:

Oct 16, 1976: Carter leads Ford by 6 points.
Election Results: Carter wins by 2 points.

Oct 27, 1980: Carter leads Reagan by 3 points.
Election Results: Reagan wins by 10 points.

Oct 15, 1984: Reagan leads Mondale by 4 points.
Election Results: Reagan wins in record landslide 19 points.

Oct 5, 1988: George H.W. Bush leads Dukakis by 2 points.
Election Results: Bush wins by 8 points.

Oct 18, 1992: Clinton leads Bush by whopping 15 points.
Election Results: Clinton wins by only 5 points.

Oct 22, 1996: Clinton leads Dole by whopping 22 points.
Election Results: Clinton wins by only 9 points.

Oct 3, 2000: Gore leads George W. Bush by 6 points.
Election Results: Bush wins in a squeaker.

2004: Polls showed a virtual tie between Kerry and Bush.
Election Results: Bush wins by 2 points.

2008: Obama leads by 4 to 8 points.
Election Results: TBD

Anyone notice a pattern here?

Yes. The pattern is that the Republicans always get more votes than the polls show. In fact, they also always get more votes than the exit polls show too. Either people are ashamed to be Republicans so they lie and say they are voting for a Democrat (or in the case of exit polls, they lie and say they voted for a Democrat), or else their is major fraud.

Or an alternative opinion is that the pollsters only poll in left leaning areas (such as inner-cities, colleges, etc.) as to skew the poll results hoping this will lead to less turnout by right leaning voters or cause undecided voters to vote for the "leading" candidate as to not want to vote for the "loser".

Or another opinion is Democrats are more likely to answer the phones during polling season and say who they are voting for, but come election time are more likely to not vote than a Republican or conservative-leaning independent.

Also, when the Democratic candidate is leading by quite a bit in the polls, this is further incentive to not vote if you are a Democrat. Therefore, the pollsters do themselves a disservice if in fact they are liberal-biased in their poll questions and/or polling areas.

This doesn't explain the exit polling though. In 2000 and 2004, the exit polling matched the actual polling from the day before. The results were different though.

Agreed, but again the exit-polling areas could also have been heavily weighted in more liberal biased locations such as inner-cities, college towns, coastal states, etc. :dunno:

Here's my conundrum. I have and empty absentee ballot sitting on my desk, and can't decide who I want to be my next president.
A dumbass hockey mom, or a slippery politician who changes his story, has absolutely no spine (voting record?) and won't admit to something that he's slipped out multiple times anyway.

Or another opinion is that there is fraud by the pollsters themselves. I believe there is an obvious bias by most of the polls. For example, I open the paper this morning to find an AP article claiming Obama's national lead over McCain has NARROWED to only ONE PERCENT:

"Nationally, an Associated Press-GfK poll shows McCain and Obama essentially even among likely voters, possible evidence of a tightened race 12 days before the Nov. 4 election. The poll found Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent, statistically insignificant and a change from a similar survey three weeks earlier that found Obama with a 7-point lead."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

I then get on the internet, and today's Reuters headline states that Obama's national lead on McCain GROWS to 12 PERCENT:

"Obama leads McCain 52 percent to 40 percent among likely voters in the latest three-day tracking poll, which had a margin of error of 2.9 points. Obama has made steady gains over the last four days and has tripled his lead on McCain in the past week of polling."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081023/..._politics_poll

WTF? :confused:

Again, our poll is as accurate as any other.

The AA had it a dead heat with 47/44 with a 5 error possibility.....CNN of course has it like 99/1 :rofl:

This is the site that I follow the polls with. It shows all the polls available with a moving average (national and state by state). Pretty good!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

I look at the AP poll, if any poll at all:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Not to rag the realpolitics poll, but that site and its sources...way bias if you asked me.

--- Just a couple of the headlines totally at random ---
How McCain Can Win Pennsylvania - Quin Hillyer, American Spectator
- Can Obama Turn Virginia Blue? - Kyle Trygstad, RealClearPolitics
- Will GOP Heartland Beat for Obama? - David Broder, Washington Post
- Both Parties Should Lose in This Election - Robert Robb, Arizona Republic
- Rebranding the U.S. With Obama - Nicholas Kristof, New York Times
- Gird Your Loins, Folks, An Int'l Crisis Looms - David Reinhard, Oregonian
- GOP's America vs. Reality - Rosa Brooks, Los Angeles Times
- The Dangers of Liberal Bias - Joan Chevalier, Boston Globe
- Obama's Plans Are Giving Voters Pause - Karl Rove, Wall Street Journal
- Why Barack Obama Is Winning - Joe Klein, Time
- The Obama Enigma - Victor Davis Hanson, National Review Online
- Palin Drove Stake Into Centrist Hearts - Froma Harrop, Providence Journal
- The Abuse & Cheap Shots Aimed at Sarah Palin - Daniel Henninger, WSJ
- Small Businesses & Jobs Not Safe From Obama Tax - Ralph Reiland, IBD
- What If All the Pundits Are (Gasp!) Wrong? - Steven Stark, Boston Phoenix
- Punditocracy's 7 Biggest Blunders - Mike Madden & Walter Shapiro, Salon
- President Obama's Challenge - David Frum, The Week
- Biden's Bungles: A Blatant Bias - Kirsten Powers, New York Post
- McCain's Perverted Idea of Fairness - Joe Conason, New York Observer
- Obama's Liberal America - George Neumayr, The American Spectator
- R.I.P. Reagan Revolution - Dan Gerstein, Forbes
- Flawed Thinking from Pro-Life Obama Backers - George Weigel, Newsweek
- The View From Ohio - David Moberg, In These Times
- Why the Republicans Must Lose - Radley Balko, Reason
- Panics and Politics - John Steele Gordon, The American
- Wealth on Move - to the Rich - Paul Campos, Rocky Mountain News
- Palin a Drag in Final Stretch - Rick Klein & Hope Ditto, ABC News
- The Markets Brought Down McCain - Peter Wehner, Commentary
- The Media's Racist Bogeyman - David Boaz, The Guardian
- Exploring the Unknowns - Chris Cillizza, Washington Post
- The Making (and Remaking) of McCain - Robert Draper, NY Times Magazine
- Young Voters Favor Obama, but How Many Will Vote? - Newport & Jones, Gallup
- McCain's Path to Victory Goes Through PA - Charles Mahtesian, Politico
- Voter Registration Flashpoints - Katrina Vanden Heuvel, The Nation
- Dems' Questionable Means to Dubious End - Ron Smith, Balt Sun
- Obama Tax Plan Does Nothing to Help Economy - Kemp & Ferrara, IBD
- The Irony of Obama - Michael Gerson, Washington Post
- Joe the Plumber & GOP 'Authenticity' - Thomas Frank, Wall Street Journal
- Economic vs. Social Populism - Dick Morris, The Hill
- America's Other Deficit: Leadership - D. Gergen & A. Zelleke, CS Monitor
- The Birth of the Me-Too Conservative - Tony Blankley, Washington Times
- McCain's Campaign Is Both Uncivil and Uncivilizing - Ruth Marcus, WP
- Who Are Left-Wing Haters to Point Fingers? - James Kirchick, NYDN
- McCain Fights to Keep Crucial Blue State in Play - Bumiller & Zeleny, NYT
- McCain Buried Under Avalanche of Cash - Dan Thomasson, Scripps Howard
- Big Donors Drive Obama's Money Edge - Mosk & Cohen, Washington Post
- Are the Polls Accurate? - Michael Barone, Wall Street Journal
- Can't Fight The Aura of Mr. Smooth - Dennis Byrne, Chicago Tribune
- The Bin Laden Factor - Jonathan Alter, Newsweek
- Obama and the Jewish Vote - Gabriel Schoenfeld, New York Post
- Young Voters - Get Mad - Robert Samuelson, Newsweek
- Generation Jones Looks for Attention - Clarence Page, Chicago Tribune
- Taxing Time for Ballot Questions - Steven Malanga, RealClearMarkets
- Democrats Could Dominate Congress After the Elections - The Economist
- $150 Million Man - Washington Post
- Guns, Abortion and the Supreme Court - Los Angeles Times
- Metrics Are Adding Up For Obama - Charlie Cook, National Journal
- National Security Returns - Jennifer Rubin, Commentary
- Six Handicaps For John McCain - Edward Luttwak, Forbes
- The Mean, Retrograde Republican Party - Richard Cohen, Washington Post
- A Long Patrol with New Pals - Wesley Pruden, Washington Times
- Powell Drops the Hammer on McCain - Roger Simon, Politico
- Boris Johnson's Silly Endorsement of Obama - Toby Harnden, DT
- What Obama's Changes Would Mean - Michael Medved, Townhall
- How Axelrod Learned to Conquer Race - Jason Zengerle, New Republic
- The Republican Party's Identity Crisis - Dan Balz, Washington Post
- Obama's New Tax Welfare - Peter Ferrara, National Review
- What Biden Implied - William Kristol, Weekly Standard
- Here Comes Big Government - William Rusher, Townhall
- The Comprehensive Argument Against Obama - Benson, Ham & Morrissey, Hot Air
- The Economy Fares Better Under Dems - Larry Bartels, CS Monitor
- Twin Giants of Postwar Liberalism - John Harris, Politico
- One Cool Customer - Paul Waldman, The American Prospect

Ok... Last time now:
If anyone wants to register their vote here who has not done so, now is the time.
AVB-AMG

Yep come on folks;

Lets see how close we get % wise

McCain 49.1%
Obama 48.3%

Is this your prediction for the national popular vote? If so, what do you predict for the electoral college?

Yesterday's projected electoral votes:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e..._NOV3_2008.jpg

I would guess McCain squeaks it out by a single state and just barely wins.

Logic would say that Obama would win, but I just don't think he will be allowed to be president. It would really shock me.

So, will it be Obama wins Popular votes and McCain wins the Electoral College votes?

My prediction: Obama Wins in a landslide: 378 to 160

:bustingup

Interesting hypothesis.

Not saying he will or will not win; but i have to ask
who or what in you view will "NOT ALLOW" him to be president?
Sounds like you're saying OK Obama you did well
now get back. We've got it arranged so that "WE" can continue
what we've been doing. (Whoever that we is).

But I'm willing to wait and see if he wins. If he does
then perhaps we will all feel your shock and awe...

Seems we're getting a surge in McCain voters in this poll:

McCain and Palin 35 44.30%
Obama and Biden 38 48.10%
None of the Above 6 7.59%

Obama was up > 10 points yesterday. :p:

Too bad we can't see who voted. :(

You can't see who voted for whom at a polling place either;
And that's the whole idea. Other wise no telling how people
would vote if they knew others were watching.

Yeah, but I'm against same day registration + voting without ID. Who's monitoring these new voters? FRAUD I tell you. :rofl:

Well wouldn't you know it. Ya don't need to register
to vote in this thread and you don't need an ID. It's just for fun.
(It won't decide the election) ;)

We want to assure everyone that the X5world computer
is monitoring all voters. Please lodge all complaints with
the Admins/Mods of this site...........................:bustingup :bustingup

Actually, if we were to only allow educated people to vote, the Democrat would win by a landslide every time. Polls of college graduates show they vote Democrat by more than a 2-to-1 ratio. ;)

Kind of like the "THEY" in the movie "conpiracy theory". :rofl:

I don't subscribe to the thought that there is some rogue group that sits down and decides everything. But there are clearly those who are very powerful who are NOT part of the government, yet have a very large influence over the government.

Excuse me. The cartoon is about "intelligent people" not "educated people" :stickpoke

There are intelligent people that are not college graduates and there are college graduates ....

no matter who wins it will mean for the first time a Scot will be in the white house and the President. :popcorn:

:wtf: That would be awful!

you think!!

:yikes:

Rain Man was "intelligent". I'm sorry, but intelligence has nothing to do with one's ability to know the issues and be able to make an educated decision on who to vote for. One can be both intelligent and ignorant.

Hey, I agree with you! I'm not sure if that's a good thing :D

Wow, now who are you talking about, yourself?:bustingup :nanana:

Actually, a good example would be Sarah Palin. She seems intelligent, but has no idea what she's talking about. :nanana:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

OK, don't agree with you on this. She does not seem intelligent :yikes:

Sounds like the polar opposite of someone...
I think his name is Barry...

wow you guys who voted none of the above totally killed it for McCain

:slap: :rofl:

Oh well....guess I was wrong! :dunno:

I believe you said you would be shocked.
But your kind admission is noted............:thumbup:

I guess what your referring to will have to happen outside the ballot box.
And i would guess that if your smart enough to know about, others
do as well.

But for now the voting is over and this is the end of this thread.