why are lawmakers praising the 700B
 

If anything they should be apologizing for having to do this. But, we are now socialist so bring on the government healthcare so I can stop covering my employees :tsk:

I kept hoping last night when Biden brought up government provided health care that Palin would ask America if they wanted their doctors visits to resemble a visit to the DMV.

The question I have is

Does this mean all the people that have NOT defaulted on house payments get a break too? Maybe we can get a bill passed to help Americans that struggle but manage to get by? If this bill is for Americans that got burned, how about everyone else?

Do you mean you want a universal health care system like the ones in Canada and Great Britain?:confused: :loco:

Anyone want some Puerto Rican Rum or wooden arrows for children :confused: :rofl:

We, the cattle, are Stooopid.

They, da gubment, are our saviors!!

BTW Wagner, I do not appreciate your over-bearing-ness. :bawling:

"The United States is ranked #37 as a health system by the World Health Organization."

For being the most powerful nation on this planet, our health-care system sucks. Yeah, countries such as GB, Canada, France, etc., tax the hell out of their citizens, but the minute they walk into a hospital for any kind of help (whether it be a $1 medical expense, or a $500,000 medical expense), they literally walk out of that hospital with nary a bill to pay.

We have some of the best doctors in the world, right here in the great USofA, but anyone would be very naive to think that other countries do not rival us in regards to doctors / health-care / etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ1lPPTPSR4

Something I've been trying to figure out is how can people who don't like universal healthcare is voting for Obama.

For example, my co-worker, I asked her because she just came back from vacation, I was told that she went back to canada to visit family since she's from there. Now, I dated a girl once and she had family there and when she visited, I wasn't able to go but my ex told me that its beautiful there, yadda, yadda, yadda...so I told my co-worker that man, I should have gone when I had the chance and that I may want to move there some day.

Guess what she said. No way, she likes it here better. She told me that whenever people have some serious healthcare issues, they cross the border and come here to the US to get treated. Universal health care sucks...but then when I asked her who she's voting for...she said Obama...I JUST DON'T GET IT! :confused:

Let me tell you the reality behind the universal health care system.

Personal experience. When I was living in Canada, I and one other family member went to the emergency room late evening. Came out in the morning without ever seeing a doctor, waiting over 8 hours. We kept asking the nurses when the doctor's going to be there to which they replied 'we don't know'. At around 8 hours of waiting, I again pleadingly asked a nurse how much longer she thinks we needed to stay there just approximately, even a guesstimate is all we wanted, and the nurse replies 'it could be hours... we don't know anything'.:rolleyes: :(
We got out of the emergency room after signing a waiver...

If that's the health care system you envision, then by all means..:cool:

lawmakers are happy because now they can go home and campaign

this country is on a slow road to self destruction. we have allienated ourselves from the basics of life.

ROFL, I disagree, I think we have among the best healthcare system, if NOT the best for those who are properly insured. Due to this, any ranking would be flawed. Remember, we ranked number 1 for access to care, NUMBER 1. Thanks but no thanks. No DMV Healthcare!

Well, let's see if Bush defies the liberal Congress and vetos the Bill... Nope - he signed...

http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/03/news...lout/index.htm?

You seem to equate universal health insurance with government health service delivery. I fully understand why you wouldn't want solely government service delivery (DMV model), but what does that have to do with health insurance? You have to separate the two, they are different issues.

When I read the platform of the two US candidates, they both talked about health insurance, not health services delivery.

Just a side comment, but why is everyone so down on your DMV? I gather that the service level leaves something to be desired, to put it politely. If so, why does the government run it in the US? Why not privatize it, like has been done in many countries (like Canada) that you regularly hold up as socialist bastions? Why do you tolerate poor service? Maybe Wagner is right, and you really are socialist at heart? Just asking.

Who pays for your insurance in Canada? I suspect you wait in as long a line for health-care as we wait in line at the DMV only to get substandard service from some pee-on who does not give a damn.

Federal taxes pay for basic health coverage (insurance). My employer and I pay for the balance of my coverage (extended health benefits, fitness benefits, optometrist, physio, counselling, all prescription drugs, etc, etc). Not unusual here.

About 30% of services are delivered by private providers (figures from Canadian Institute for Health Information, 2007 numbers). I go to a private dentist, physio, optometrist, full medical check-ups every year, etc and use the hospital for emergencies. Some don't, and that is one of the problems in our emergency rooms, there are a line up of people with colds. They tend to have to wait.

If you go to a hospital it is likely that the services will be delivered by a public organization. The doctors don't work for the government directly, they are paid a fee for service. Last time I went to the hospital was following a bicycle accident. My wife came in on a stretcher in an ambulance. I drove myself. We waited about 5 minutes for a doctor for her, I was triaged within 5 minutes but waited an hour and a half for X-rays. More urgent patients like my wife went ahead of me. We then had to wait another three hours for two operations for her (ortho). She went into post-op, then a hospital bed the same day, in a ward with 4 beds as a semi-private was not available. She was released 7 days later. It cost us total of $75 for the ambulance user fee.

My dad was in the emergency room two weeks ago (he walked in). He waited 3 hours total. He was booked back for a procedure that happened today, in the same hospital.

Sorry if I don't fit the stereotype. I received similar service in a government hospital in the UK (15 minute wait the one time I went). I used a private hospital in Chile, although a public one was available (2-tier system).

Yes, there are plenty of horror stories, absolutely. There are also success stories. It depends what you are looking for.

Still not sure why you tolerate your DMV. Last time I went to get my driver's license renewed it took 5 minutes. It is a contract operator in the local shopping mall. To be fair, I went once and they weren't open (late at night) and had to go back the next day.

Back to the original point: Government should make the rules, and in many cases the services can be delivered by private enterprises more efficiently. Having health insurance isn't the same as having state-employed doctors, it is a scare tactic that diverts the argument.

People rail the DMV because of the employees attitude. In some neighborhoods the attitude of the employees is bad to begin with and sometimes it's based upon the people they are serving. I have seen some people go off because they have to wait so long for service. The long wait is caused by the people working there who have a bad attitude that want to do as little as they can. That in turn makes customers angry. When people get angry, they let the employees know how they feel. That in turn calls for guards to be posted in some offices which in turn offends customers and on and on and on.

However it isn't that way at every DMV. I recently went to another DMV for a new DL and everything went smooth and the employees we're very helpful.

So Monday morning the bankers go to work and start making bad loans again. They just continue with the same crap...

As one person wrote, where is my freakin' check? I paid my bills and I run a small business, guaranteed I don't see a dime from this non-sense.


Rant and Bully like behavior (apparently)

That whole "unfreeze credit for small business" BULLSH*T. 6 months ago we went out for a loan, a company that made this year over 2M on government work, for some reason we weren't secure enough to get more than........wait for it........$50,000. Yup, 50K...2M and 3 years in bought ya 50K as a loan. Please with this nonsense. Even the bank couldn't understand why the underwriting was so low. Amazing.

Stimulus checks went out, I didn't get one.
Now another 700B, I will not see it. I'm curious "who" exactly this helps. Just more of the "punish the successful" but the not overly successful in my opinion. It is getting harder and harder to teach your children to work hard when they see the dumbest of the dumb getting free help. What was the consequence of buying a $500,000 house when you make $34,000 a year...apparently..a couple of long nights and then a government bail out. Seems real fair.

Rant and Bullying over, hope nobody cried :)