I agree. People who aren't in the know think he betrayed the party.

But isn't being abandoned by your party a good enough reason to support a candidate from the opposing party? I would think that Powell would have endorsed Hillary before McCain with facts like those. Don't you agree?

Honestly I could see any Republican supporting a moderate Democrat. I'm not sure Hillary fits into that category but plenty of Democrats are middle of the road. Obama is just too Liberal and unknown to take that chance especially with Nanci Pelosi and Harry Reid holding the gavels. So no...Anyone with a shred of Conservative values would need to vote McCain and hold their nose, independent or not vote at all.

I could easliy support a Democrat for President and have in the past.

Didn't we discuss above how Powell has been a centralist?

Here is the problem of referring to people like Obama as Ultra Left; IMO it says more about the speaker than Obama. Essentially, it describes your position. Those on the far right think Obama is a communist. Those on the far left think Republicans are fascists. Neither extreme view helps.

Those on the real left would never recognize Obama's policies.

I am reminded of the phrase "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"

I'm sure the Haig endorsement really pulls in lots of votes. :rofl:

You all keep saying this, but I just don't see it. I'm very liberal and I don't like the guy at all. He is too moderate for my tastes. Just look at his stances on some major issues:

1. Health care -- he is NOT in favor of a single payer system, which is the liberal position

2. Iraq War -- he is NOT in favor of immediate withdrawal, the liberal position. Instead he favors the "timeline" which is the moderate position also held by many moderate Republicans and most recently by the Bush Administration who just negotiated such a deal with the Iraqi government

3. Defense -- he is NOT in favor of large cuts to the bloated Defense budget

Nader and McKinney are the extreme liberals in this election. Obama is about as liberal as McCain is conservative. I really do wish there was a real liberal running from one of the two main parties, since I would love to vote for someone who has a chance to win, but unfortunately the last time the Democratic Party nominated someone who was very liberal was a year before I was born.

I'm betting he is really ALL for what you listed from his past involvement and the company he kept. He does not come out and say he's for these things because he could not get elected. I'll guess we'll have to wait and see who is right.


BTW...You are off the chart Liberal and I'd say you are a Socialist. Obama is Ultra Liberal.

Obama is an Ultra Left Democrat and you can't really argue that point based on his life experience, work experience, world view and policy while in his Senate Seat.

Like I've said...I voted for Bill Clinton twice and worked on his campaign in both elections. I'm not religious, I could care less if guys married guys or girls married girls. I'm not against abortion though I do want it to be regulated and avoided if possible.

So go ahead and make me out to be some Far Right Extremest. You'd be guilty of that which you accuse me.

I tell you Obama doesn't scare me nearly as much as dems in the whitehouse and congress do. Obama with a Republican run Congress, fine. McCain is actually pretty dangerous with a Dem Congress as well. I'm sure Piglosi could bend him over the tax barrel once or twice.

Psss...Bob Barr...pss...Bob Barr :) Sorry I only have a few weeks left :)

You've convinced me...I'm voting Barr come November. I'm in California which is in the Bag for Obama so my Republican vote does not matter.

Funny story though...I go into make an appointment at a child's haircut place in Northern California and the owner asks me if I'm a Republican or a Democrat immediately upon opening the door. I looked over and noticed an Obama pin on her jacket on the chair and immediately walked out of the business.

Pretty dumb mixing business with Politics I'm a great tipper with a 2 year old so she really missed out. The pin alone was no big deal but to grill me before the door closed was inexcusable.

I hope you are right.


I'd say you are right. :thumbup:

Since when is being a socialist some kind of radical extremist?

Social Security, Unemployment Benefits, Medicaid/Medicare, Minimum Wage, Workmans Comp -- all socialist policies

Fire Department, Police Department, Post Office -- all nationalized/socialized organizations

Last I checked, most of our politicians, even most Republicans, support most of these policies/organizations. But just don't use the "S" word!!!

Socialism is what liberalism is all about. The two are one and the same. Remember back when Bush Sr. ran for president and "Liberal" was a dirty word?? haha :rofl:

How things have changed....