How many of you are outraged by this fact?
 

The California Teachers Association is throwing its support and more than a million dollars to defeat Proposition 8 here in California.

Prop. 8 would overturn a decision by the California Supreme Court allowing Gay Marriage.

I'm personally leaning toward more of a Libertarian view on this issue but I'm outraged that the Teachers Union would throw that kind of money at an issue that has NOTHING to do with education. Our educational system in California is in shambles and local school districts are spending an average of $65 on children's school supplies.

Man this pisses me off. My wife and I are now yes prop 8 because of their involvement in this issue.

Nothing, nothing, from Cali amazes me ever. I don't know what the he!! is in the water out there :rofl:

It is complete nonsense.

I don't believe the teachers association is funded by the state, but by private money from the teachers. If that is the case, then they can do whatever they want.

Did you hear that Apple and Google are also giving large donations to defeating the measure?

I think you guys should boycott and not use google's website or buy apple products ever again. :nanana:

As Apple said in its statement about their donation, this is not a liberal or conservative issue. It's a civil rights issue.

Prop 8 is a political football. Most of the money supporting it comes from the Mormon church (not a lot of Mormons in CA).

The teachers association takes issue with it b/c the commercials say that gay marriage will be taught in schools (something the teachers deny)

The real issue is the economy and the fact none of the bailouts are fixing anything.

Add my name to those who are not outraged. Yes, it smacks of group-think, but that seems to be tolerated by society these days.

Why should not a professional association (or union, pick your flavour) be able to have a position on social issues? Maybe some of their members want to get married, or believe that others shouldn't be able to.

If the issue is being touted as one that will be 'taught in the schools', a claim I can't comment on, then it seems they were brought into the debate by the proponents of the legislation.

On the CTA website, it says that policy issues with regards to legislation etc are decided by 700 elected delegates. Sounds like a reasonably robust process, it isn't like one executive is running with it.

Now MLG, why would their involvement have any impact on your voting position? Is it purely to spite them? Are they responsible for school funding and the shortage of supplies?

And I checked on the Google factoid: their announcement is interesting:

The outrage is only justified if you disagree with
their cause. I'm sure those on the other side are cheering.
So it 6 on one half and a half a dozen on the other.
Personally i wonder if anyone really cares?

After all the echo continues "WEATHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT" :rofl:

My mistake, I read the original post too fast. I thought the teachers were supporting banning gay marriage. :doh: I was setting up my fantasy football lineup the same time I was reading this thread.

I don't have an issue with gay people who want to get married, so I am fine with teachers doing this. Especially if the money is from private sources.

What? How does that make you any better than them? You are angry at a group of people fighting for something that does not conflict with their immediate interests, but then here you are doing the same? Correct me if I'm wrong, but is gay marriage in anyway effecting you and your wife personally?
:confused:

Who the hell cares!?

It is ironic, however that the teachers dropped more than a mil, while apple only donated $100k.

I heard them talking about this on a conservative talk radio program here in NY. It appears that the issue at hand here is that people think that being gay is contagious. So they think if society accepts gays as being normal, then more people will become gay. :rofl: :rofl:

This woman who called in the show was deadly serious about thinking this, and the show host didn't say anything to discourage here, although he seemed a bit hesitant to say that he agreed.

This is a private fund, they can do with it as they wish. It's not government money. So I'm going to add you the "uneducated, uninformed" voter side...C'mon Lab you can do better! Try educating yourself first BEFORE making blanket statements... :rolleyes:

Like previously said this is a civil rights issue. Due to this companies like Apple, Google, Levis and Company, PG&E are against it. Not on that Every Major newspaper has editorialized against it and all large CA city mayors are against 8. Again because it's a civil issue. I think you should be more outraged at the lying, sleazy shady campaign Yes on 8 is running which I suspect has a great amount to do with this donation.

:rolleyes: Oh Gavin, Must you always open your mouth? :rofl:

Somebody is lying

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache...&client=safari

What a crack pot website, I just threw up dinner :rolleyes:

I don't care if it is private money or not. They are a Teachers Union and they could be using that money to lobby for better schools, smaller class sizes, more funding or fund raising, better working conditions. These are funds taken from teachers salaries (which are too low in my opinion) for Union Dues and the Union decides to spend that money on a "Social Issue" which has very little to do with the majority of teachers.

Besides. It's MY vote and I can do with it what I want. I'm voting yes on 8 because I'm not happy about the Teachers Union supporting them with Teachers dues and I'm not happy the No on 8 people who took the money. If you noticed I made it clear that I was "Leaning" toward a Libertarian position on the issue. That made me UNDECIDED. This outrage is all it takes to turn a vote. I've taken other positions for and against on other initiatives because of WHO was funding the initiative.

Good Riddance...I'd say to ask yourself what you would say if your child was gay. How are you going to feel if put in that situation and you voted "yes" and told your child he wasn't equal to you. Try thinking about it from a different side and it might change your opinion....just my 2 cents

What you do in your bedroom is no concern of mine and the same holds true for my son if he decided to be gay. I won't think any less of him nor of who he decides to share his bed with.

You don't need the word "Married" to make a special bond if you have ALL the legal rights of marriage. As I said...I don't hate gays and your stance and attitude is turning hateful here toward me. Take a look in the mirror and tell me WHO is hating. That tends to be what turns straight people away from your cause.

I'd suggest you be more tolerant of other peoples views and pick your battles better. You're hating over a word.

You can vote for whatever side you want but I would beg you to back up your vote with more then what a teacher's union donated. You are very intelligent (and I've read many of your posts) and all I am saying is that you should really research this beyond your outrage of the donation.

Now that was reasonable. I'm just really upset about the teachers union allocation of funds in a time when the school system in California is in the toilet. I'm very likely to cast my vote in a more reasonable manner come election day but I can't make any promises.

My core values are as I said Libertarian.

Yes I agree that the schools are terrible. Honestly I have a major issue with the funding determined by the surrounding taxes (is it still done that way?) When I was in school it was and I come from a lower upper class upbringing and I think it sucks. I really think it's unfair and ask anyone how someone from the "projects" REALLY has an equal shot to make it. I would say determination can only go so far. My wonder is if that money would really create a different outcome if spent as you ask. A budget is a budget and I think the educational system in CA has been the whipping boy for decades and I don't see it changing. Sad huh?

I'm pretty sure the libertarian position on this would be to vote against the law.

Yes...I know that Eric. I'm just pissed at the Teachers Union. An endorsement would be fine but to spend $1,250,000 on a non-school related issue in a time when the schools are a mess is inexcusable.

Hard work and determination usually wins out regardless of your socioeconomic upbringing. I know that from personal experience.

Good luck with your proposition and remember. If it passes you can still live a wonderful life with your partner regardless of what others think and say. What really counts in life is how you and your partner feel about each other.

blondboinsd;

Good comment. It's too bad it's not that simple.

I looked up some information this evening about
proposition 8 and the claim from both sides that
marriage will or will not be taught in schools.

On the one had it will not because they don't
use the term Marriage in the curriculum.

On the other hand California State Law does require
what is called "family diversity" training for school
age children. The premise is school safety but the
concept is based on the following information found
at this link. http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php...s&article=1378

With an estimated 6 million to 10 million children living in American LGBT households, according to the 2000 U.S. census, and a growing number of schools dealing with a variety of queer issues within the administration and classroom, building awareness and tools to educate people about acceptance is a hot topic, especially for children in elementary school. According to the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network's 2005 National School Climate Survey, nearly nine out of 10 students reported hearing homophobic comments frequently on campus.

Did you notice the statement "building awareness and tools to educate people about acceptance is a hot topic, especially for children in elementary school"?

Perhaps thats what some of the uproar is about. The state is requiring
children in elementary school and K-12 to be educated about acceptance.
And the reason they use is "because it's about diversity and it's about preventing violence."

So In essence they are being asked to accept training regarding acceptance of these so called different kinds of family's some of which will be married as same sex couples. That's something some parents don't agree with and cannot support.

I don't have an opinion or the answer regarding what the state should do about this issue. But it does indeed present in interesting dilemma for all involved. Especially parents who find themselves at odd's with an educational system that is teaching something they don't agree with,
and those who wish to live a lifestyle they want others to accept as normal but in reality is at odds with traditional family structure.

From where i sit it appears that both sides are stretching their truth
to fit their own position which is disingenuous at best.

I see no issue with teaching diversity, it creates a well-rounded well accepting person. Furthermore while I see the argument, it's 1 sided and local districts develop and adminster their own teaching plans, it's a provision that seperates us from Mass. The Like CA Superintendant calls it shameful to use children and it is. It's a fear based tactic.

Don't you know that when you teach kids that being gay is ok, more of them will turn gay? :nanana: (I'm joking of course, but some people really do believe that)

Oy, I can hear The Yes on 8 Campaign saying that :rolleyes:

I throw up my dinner when I see two guys holding hands!!!

"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"

Discrimination against someone on basis of their race, gender, or sexual orientation is just plain wrong. Proponents of Prop 8 are little, if any different, to the people who supported the anti-interracial marriage laws for all those years. The state constitution shouldn't be used to turn some people into second-class citizens.

Hopefully my fellow Californians will do the decent thing and vote NO on prop 8.

I would buy a plane ticket, no matter what the cost to show up where you are eating and makeout with a hot, sexy man :thumbup: French anyone?

I can't wait until gay marriage is finally locked down.

That way I can go chase me down some hairy man ass.... Bo, you better start doing some sit-ups, cause I'm coming for you cutie...

I hope when gay marriage is finally locked down, we'll get to see lots more of this:

http://www.filecabi.net/video/fkl14a.html

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As JCL wrote, "This might be your best post ever."

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I agree...Rack It, Ryan! :thumbup:
BR,mD

Make sure you bring Biscuit :rofl:

You guys are fricken nuts! :nanana:

Leave me alone in my nice quiet non-homosexual community. If you come up here with your cronies I'll round up a bunch of local loggers and we'll kick your asses!!! :gun:

Yeah, bring that little taco dog biscuit too. The wolves would love an appetizer!!!

Got some lumberjacks up there do ya. :dunno:
:nanana:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...umberjacks.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clPYfaTvHT0
:rofl:

We're all lumberjacks
and that's OK
we drink all night
and beat up gays! :rofl:

perfect dickout opportunity noted and appreciated. (not to you, to everyone's favorite :stickpoke er)

You know the rest of the lyrics I assume Mr. Lumberjack? :rofl:

I cut down trees. I skip and jump.
I like to press wild flowers.
I put on women's clothing
And hang around in bars.

You suck, it doesn't rhyme very well!!! :rofl:

So let me get this straight.. Picking a wife out of a mail order catalog, flying her here from Russia, giving her US citizenship, is your idea of traditional marriage...

...But two men who have been partners for years, share a home, friends, life together, maybe even children, should not be afforded the same legal consideration as people who get married through a Sears Catalog??

Damn, you got some twisted values...

There is no "mail order catalog". I've visited her 4 times. Get your story straight.

No, the twisted values is homosex in the first place! It is the most unnatural act that can occur. Our species and all other species on earth were meant to procreate between male and female. Anything else is unnatural and anti-values as intended by our creator. Ask as a poll who has the more twisted values, one who believes that homosex is OK or one who is against it. Sorry there, you are the one with twisted valaues.

:confused: Those are the original lyrics by Monty Python. Where did you think the song came from? If you are going to spoof a famous song at least know the origins.:slap:

The "Lumberjack Song" was around way before monty python!!! :rolleyes:

:hijack:
I guess I hijacked the thread when I started this lumberjack tangent, but it was my understanding that Monty Python came up with these lyrics:

Song Lyrics: "The Lumberjack Song"
Recorded by: "Monty Python"
Written by: (Terry Jones, Michael Palin, Fred Tomlinson)

I'm a lumberjack
And I'm ok
I sleep all night and I work all day
(He's a lumberjack
And he's ok
He sleeps all night and he works all day)

I cut down trees
I eat my lunch
I go to the lavatry'
On Wednesdays I go shopping
and have buttered scones for tea
(He cuts down trees
He eats his lunch
He goes to the lavatry'
On Wednesdays He goes shopping
and has buttered scones for tea
I cut down trees)

I'm a lumberjack
And I'm ok
I sleep all night and I work all day
I cut down trees
I skip and jump
I like to press wild flowers
I put on womens' clothing and hang around in bars
(He cuts down trees
He skips and jumps
He likes to press wild flowers
He puts on womens' clothing and hang around in bars?)

I'm a lumberjack
And I'm ok
I sleep all night and I work all day
I cut down trees
I wear high heels
Suspendies' and a bra
I wish I'd been a girly
Just like my dear pa-pa
(He cuts down trees
He wears high heels?)

(He's a lumberjack
And he's ok
He sleeps all night and he works all day
He sleeps all night and he works all day)

WTH happened to this thread :confused:

funniest thread for a while here...

It is something to think about tho, while our school are in this situation, and teachers are putting that much $$ into something that has nothing to do with them... ohh well for others to judge...IMO what other people do in their bedroom is their business...

You know Lambeau, times change. And while "homosex" as you so eloquently like to call it might be considered by "some" to be unnatural and anti-values, I can promise you, if we did a "POLL" during the "RED SCARE" cold war, climate, the majority of Americans would probably have labeled you as a traitor, communist, etc. because of your desire to bed a Ruskie.

There was also a time when interracial marriages where thought to be unnatural, anti-values.. There were white and black people who, "lost their lunch" when they say a couple of different races dining together, holding hands.

And just as having to mail order a bride from Russia would be deemed anti-values 30 years ago, clearly, it is accepted practice now. And in 40 years when we look back at the gay marriage issue, you will see, that you let your bigoted opinions help shape equality, or a lack thereof..

I know many gay men that have much more REAL relationships than the "traditional marriage" you are planning. But I guess two people that love each other shouldn't be offered the same rights as you and the gal you visited four times.

What a wonderful world you have boxed yourself into.

Give it up. You and your views will never be accepted like the marriage between a man and a woman, ever. What's it feel like knowing you and your views will never be fully accepted??? Must suck huh???

:clueless:

LOL!

By "fully accepted" do you mean by: back country, cheese head, homophobic hicks, who live in a place where the dating pool is so putrid, that the men must travel to impoverished countries where the women are treated like shit, to find a half decent piece of ass?

You might be right. I would easily suspect that the places in this country that hate "them" and by "them" I mean, "them Jews", "them blacks" and "them gays" will never fully accept anyone who isn't just like them..

...and by "just like them" I do mean, women so ugly they drive the local men to Russia..

Sure glad I don't live there.
;)

You've now lowered yourself to namecalling which doesn't surprise me. Grow up. That's not allowed on this site I believe.

I have great friends in the military that are black and jewish but they don't practice non-natural & disgusting acts with members of the same sex. I totally accept them and treat them as equal. How's it feel to perform acts that even animals wouldn't?

There seems to be evidence that suggests many species of animals have actually been known to engage in homosexual acts.

Now, back to the show...:popcorn:

So let me get this straight, homophobic, hate speech, name calling, that encourages gay bashing is okay?
- But suggesting that people who live in an area that they declared "unfit" for finding a bride, cause all the women are 300lbs and have seven kids, a hick, offends your moral sensibilities. LOL.. You crack me up.

As far as the acts that the homosexual community engages in, to be honest, I don't find it attractive either. But that's not the point. The point is tolerance and equality and treating everyone the same regardless of skin color, religion, sexual orientation.

Bigotry is bigotry, no matter how you color it, Black or PINK.. I'm not suggesting that you should have to enjoy watching men be together. No one is. What people are asking for is the same rights that afforded to everyone else, regardless of sensibilities.

p.s. as far as animals goes:
Homosexual behavior in animals:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals

This thread kind of reminds me of this television sitcom scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dKpHtc9F9M


Wanna guess which character Lambeau reminds me of?

"I'm not an expert on flowers"
"whole society is based on kindof a Fagdom"

Eric, how did you even know about that video?

I've seen it on tv a long time ago. Almost anything that's ever been on tv is somewhere on youtube. It's just a question of finding it, which is not so difficult since youtube now has google search built in.

That is funny as hell! I didn't remember that episode. :thumbup:

Hey B-line your gonna love this one......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjY7f...eature=related

LOL...

i have a hell of alot more respect for a dog than a gay person. need i say more.

See post #60. :thumbup:

B, M etc you are wasting your time.

Lam-I feel sorry for you, I really feel sorry that you live in such a small, confined box. It's really quite sad how hypocritical you are.

How on earth could someone with a non-traditional family even begin to talk as you do? You have the balls to say what you say with a mail order bride?

Again, I feel sorry for you.

I have found people like you typically have skeletons or themselves in the closet and it's usually revealed later on their true lives.

I don't envy you, I couldn't imagine living with all the hatred you live with. You are a bigot, pure and simple.

Could we all please take this post BACK to prop 8 and away from Lam?

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