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MrLabGuy 10-27-2008 02:06 PM

Obama...Constitution deep flaws continue today.
 
Heck...Let's just re-write the old out of date document. I'm sure Nancy and Harry agree with him 110%.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OhmY1obS4

Quicksilver 10-27-2008 02:42 PM

What blind spot and flaw is he referring to????

Krimson X 10-27-2008 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Quicksilver
What blind spot and flaw is he referring to????

:iagree: That is the problem with soundbites. What was the point of the post?

Over the course of the centuries, "blind spots" in the U.S. Constitution have been corrected thru the Bill of Rights and other Amendments. Voting Rights, Civil Rights, Free exercise of religon, Protection from unreasonable search and seizure, Police powers to the states, etc...

Wagner 10-27-2008 03:16 PM

Hmmm, now apparently being born in Kenya is not a problem and valid for Pres of the US :rofl: That is the problem.

Remember, the US Constitution gives you NO RIGHTS. That is not its job, it is a government playbook.

Krimson X 10-27-2008 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner
Hmmm, now apparently being born in Kenya is not a problem and valid for Pres of the US :rofl: That is the problem.

Remember, the US Constitution gives you NO RIGHTS. That is not its job, it is a government playbook.

:thud:

Quicksilver 10-27-2008 03:23 PM

Why not show some real fortitude and post the whole thing so we can get the real context of the comments. Or is it that you really are trying to hide the truth.............:nanana: ....:rofl:

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy
Heck...Let's just re-write the old out of date document. I'm sure Nancy and Harry agree with him 110%.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OhmY1obS4


Wagner 10-27-2008 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Krimson X
:thud:

truth = painful for Obama supporters...... :)

Here is a little more: http://www.obamatruth.org/

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“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

Sorry, can't act like it didn't happen. Hello Pres Schwarzenegger

Quicksilver 10-27-2008 03:30 PM

My suggestion to all of you is get the facts. You may be embarrassing yourself. http://apps.wbez.org/blog/?p=639

Krimson X 10-27-2008 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wagner
truth = painful for Obama supporters...... :)

What, that Obama was born in Kenya?:rofl:

Like the guy who started the whole "Obama is a Muslim" email campaign has now recanted his muslim claim stating that Barack is not the son of Barack Obama, Sr, but the son of Frank Marshall Davis. Whatever works best for you, I guess. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilnfuqny-80

Wagner 10-27-2008 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krimson X
What, that Obama was born in Kenya?:rofl:

Like the guy who started the whole "Obama is a Muslim" email campaign has now recanted his muslim claim stating that Barack is not the son of Barack Obama, Sr, but the son of Frank Marshall Davis. Whatever works best for you, I guess. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilnfuqny-80


Haha, Kool-aid is fun. Obama admits on his own site that he had citizenship in Kenya. I guess when the kool-aid is strong enough, you just don't question the Messiah :rofl: In fact his own Kenyan grandmother said she watched him BORN in Kenya, but I guess she is rooting for McCain :rofl:

Quicksilver 10-27-2008 03:51 PM

WOW you guys need to get out the tin foil hats..........:nanana:

A US federal judge on Friday rejected a lawsuit claiming Senator Barack Obama is ineligible to seek the presidency because he was either born in Kenya or is a citizen of Indonesia.

The US Constitution requires that a person be born in the United States and be a citizen of the country in order to be eligible to serve as president.

Judge Richard Barclay Surrick ruled that Philip Berg, an attorney in the state of Pennsylvania, lacked standing to bring such a suit.

The claim filed by Mr Berg, a supporter of Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, is one of several desperate attempts by Senator Obama's opponents to block what appears to be his increasingly likely victory at the polls on November 4.

Segments of the US right wing will be disappointed by the court decision thwarting this move to depict Senator Obama as less than an authentic American.

Many of the same extremists have sought to link Senator Obama closely to Prime Minister Raila Odinga, who is portrayed by Obama-haters as both a communist and a supporter of radical Islam.

Senator Obama has posted on his campaign Website a birth certificate showing that he was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961 to Ann Dunham, an American woman, and Barack Obama Snr, a Kenyan who was studying at the University of Hawaii at the time. Following their divorce, Ms Dunham married an Indonesian man.

"I am totally disappointed by Judge Surrick's decision and, for all citizens of the United States, I am immediately appealing to the US Supreme Court," Mr Berg said in a statement following Friday's ruling.


http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/484146/-/tlhnhg/-/

Wagner 10-27-2008 03:53 PM

Yes and his grandmother from Kenya said she watched him born in Kenya. But I guess we can't question that, right....:rofl:

Quicksilver 10-27-2008 03:54 PM

Let's try this again..........http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/484146/-/tlhnhg/-/

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Originally Posted by Wagner
Yes and his grandmother from Kenya said she watched him born in Kenya. But I guess we can't question that, right....:rofl:


MrLabGuy 10-27-2008 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krimson X
What, that Obama was born in Kenya?:rofl:

Like the guy who started the whole "Obama is a Muslim" email campaign has now recanted his muslim claim stating that Barack is not the son of Barack Obama, Sr, but the son of Frank Marshall Davis. Whatever works best for you, I guess. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilnfuqny-80

Just ask Obama :D

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6p...lim-faith_news

Wagner 10-27-2008 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MrLabGuy


Doh.

Wagner 10-27-2008 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Quicksilver


Pointless. And one of the quotes of the judge was basically that a citizen didn't have the right to question the citizenship of Obama...:rofl:

Quicksilver 10-27-2008 03:58 PM

My point exactly. Just like wearing tin foil hats...........:rofl: :rofl:


Quote:

Originally Posted by Wagner
Pointless.


Wagner 10-27-2008 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quicksilver
My point exactly. Just like wearing tin foil hats...........:rofl: :rofl:


Quick...you're rambling in circles now :rofl: Back away from the Internet :)

Quicksilver 10-27-2008 04:05 PM

Thats what you guys are doing by posting pointless gibberish.
Rambling in circles, wearing tin foil hats grebbin for straws
hoping something is gonna change and nobody's buying it.

But it's fun to watch...........

MrLabGuy 10-27-2008 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quicksilver
Thats what you guys are doing by posting pointless gibberish.
Rambling in circles, wearing tin foil hats grebbin for straws
hoping something is gonna change and nobody's buying it.

But it's fun to watch...........

If you believe the Obama you see campaigning is the real Obama you need to fit yourself for your own "aluminum foil hat". Hate to inform you but Tin has not been used for years :nanana:

On the other hand...McCain is the same McCain and you get what you see like it or not.

Krimson X 10-27-2008 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wagner
Yes and his grandmother from Kenya said she watched him born in Kenya. But I guess we can't question that, right....:rofl:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...tizenship.html

lakai 10-27-2008 06:57 PM

http://i33.tinypic.com/2s93i83.jpg

Obama's birth certificate vs. someone born around the same time.

Where's the rest of the info?

MrLabGuy 10-27-2008 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lakai
http://i33.tinypic.com/2s93i83.jpg

Obama's birth certificate vs. someone born around the same time.

Where's the rest of the info?

His almost looks as though it was done with a word processor. That would be quite a trick in 1961.

lakai 10-27-2008 07:07 PM

Where's the signature and embossed stamp?

Wagner 10-27-2008 07:18 PM

BS :)

JCL 10-27-2008 07:51 PM

I can't believe that some of you are recycling the nonsense about whether he is eligible to run or not. Reputable sources have debunked all of that nonsense. You just need to get off of some of your current news sources (no names here).

More importantly, I started reading this thread from the top and was interested in what the full context was for Obama's comments. That was driven simply by my own intellectual curiousity. I found it here:

http://apps.wbez.org/blog/?p=372.

It isn't the same link Quick provided, it is the original radio interview and not the recent repost by the radio station to save people looking. Good find Quick. But the nonsense related to Kenyan citizenship took this thread off track. That misdirection was at best unfortunate. Let's leave aside the alternatives.

If you listen to the interview, and I recommend that you do, you will see how much editing was done to produce the first clip in this thread. The context of the phrasing 'imperfect constitution' with deep flaws refers to flaws in society, and more specifically the cultural makeup of the men who wrote the constitution, not the document itself. Lots of audio editing involved. LIsten to the whole interview. Realize that he is talking about slavery. The historical document was described as imperfect, yes. Isn't that why there are ammendments? The cultural makeup specifically refers to the thinking of the authors, the acceptance of slavery, and the impact on society. It was a thoughtful interview, and showed the thinking style of Obama.

Now, there are two alternatives for the original posting of this thread. Either it was malicious, in which case an apology is in order for providing misleading and slanderous links from partisan sources, or it was born out of ignorance. Not sure that last one is a defence, but let's allow it here. It is what some elements of the campaign have sunk to.

I agree with Quick's comments that the mindless recycling is sometimes fun to watch. Other times it is embarrassing for society as a whole.

Go ahead and call this Kool-aid if you like. But if this is Kool-aid, I would like you to share some of what some others are drinking.

/rant off

Wagner 10-27-2008 08:09 PM

Canadian Rant :rofl:

Only question, why was Obama originally saying "No, I'm only a US citizen" followed by "..Oh well I had dual citizenship" Kind of like, "Oh I barely new Ayers, Oh wait..yeah I really knew him" or "Rev. Write? Huh, barely heard him talk, Oh I was there for 20 years".....back pedal :)

Quicksilver 10-27-2008 08:12 PM

:iagree:

It is amazing isn't it??
I believe there really is
tin in dem dar tin foil hat's......:rofl:

I beginning to believe we're being snookered........:D

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCL
I can't believe that some of you are recycling the nonsense about whether he is eligible to run or not. Reputable sources have debunked all of that nonsense. You just need to get off of some of your current news sources (no names here).

More importantly, I started reading this thread from the top and was interested in what the full context was for Obama's comments. That was driven simply by my own intellectual curiousity. I found it here:

http://apps.wbez.org/blog/?p=372.

It isn't the same link Quick provided, it is the original radio interview and not the recent repost by the radio station to save people looking. Good find Quick. But the nonsense related to Kenyan citizenship took this thread off track. That misdirection was at best unfortunate. Let's leave aside the alternatives.

If you listen to the interview, and I recommend that you do, you will see how much editing was done to produce the first clip in this thread. The context of the phrasing 'imperfect constitution' with deep flaws refers to flaws in society, and more specifically the cultural makeup of the men who wrote the constitution, not the document itself. Lots of audio editing involved. LIsten to the whole interview. Realize that he is talking about slavery. The historical document was described as imperfect, yes. Isn't that why there are ammendments? The cultural makeup specifically refers to the thinking of the authors, the acceptance of slavery, and the impact on society. It was a thoughtful interview, and showed the thinking style of Obama.

Now, there are two alternatives for the original posting of this thread. Either it was malicious, in which case an apology is in order for providing misleading and slanderous links from partisan sources, or it was born out of ignorance. Not sure that last one is a defence, but let's allow it here. It is what some elements of the campaign have sunk to.

I agree with Quick's comments that the mindless recycling is sometimes fun to watch. Other times it is embarrassing for society as a whole.

Go ahead and call this Kool-aid if you like. But if this is Kool-aid, I would like you to share some of what some others are drinking.

/rant off


Quicksilver 10-27-2008 08:13 PM

You been drinking some of your own Kool Aid??? :confused:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wagner
Canadian Rant :rofl:

Only question, why was Obama originally saying "No, I'm only a US citizen" followed by "..Oh well I had dual citizenship" Kind of like, "Oh I barely new Ayers, Oh wait..yeah I really knew him" or "Rev. Write? Huh, barely heard him talk, Oh I was there for 20 years".....back pedal :)


JCL 10-27-2008 08:19 PM

Wagner: Canadians can't rant? I know we have this reputation as extremely polite and nice and all, but sometimes the implicit support of slavery gets to me. Actually, all of the time. OK, maybe it was just ignorance in the original post. Also, why are you redirecting again? The radio interview in question is about slavery and the constitution. If you insist, you can go read all about his citizenship (solely US) in the links provided. Independent fact checking sites. Sorry, no edited You-Tube videos. It is still redirecting though.

Quick: You weren't specific about what you were agreeing with.

Wagner 10-27-2008 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quicksilver
You been drinking some of your own Kool Aid??? :confused:


Not quite. Just stating speculation since the Kool-Aid drinkers don't challenge anything as the blinders are apparently thick. For someone who claims they aren't voting, I'm surprised you aren't skeptical at all. When Obama just once, doesn't change a position on something..then maybe I'd stop questioning everything he says ;)

Wagner 10-27-2008 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCL
Wagner: Canadians can't rant? I know we have this reputation as extremely polite and nice and all, but sometimes the implicit support of slavery gets to me. Actually, all of the time. OK, maybe it was just ignorance in the original post. Also, why are you redirecting again? The radio interview in question is about slavery and the constitution. If you insist, you can go read all about his citizenship (solely US) in the links provided. Independent fact checking sites. Sorry, no edited You-Tube videos. It is still redirecting though.

Quick: You weren't specific about what you were agreeing with.

Never said you couldn't comment, calm down :thumbup: In fact you post more in the poli threads then half the USA boyz & girlz...(I'm obviously not included in that list).

Didn't redirect anything. Made a comment and apparently everyone followed suit. :dunno:

Quicksilver 10-27-2008 09:22 PM

Check post #28

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCL
Quick: You weren't specific about what you were agreeing with.


Krimson X 10-27-2008 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lakai
Where's the signature and embossed stamp?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

MrLabGuy 10-27-2008 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCL
Now, there are two alternatives for the original posting of this thread. Either it was malicious, in which case an apology is in order for providing misleading and slanderous links from partisan sources, or it was born out of ignorance. Not sure that last one is a defence, but let's allow it here. It is what some elements of the campaign have sunk to.

/rant off

Nothing malicious about the post and if you are insinuating that I am ignorant I suggest you come down off of your pedestal of Divine enlightenment before the thin air takes your breath. If you must know, I found the clip on You tube and found it interesting. A quick search for the original source came up with nothing so I posted the link as amusement.

If indeed what you are saying is true it seems to imply that "Slavery" in Obama's mind continues on today. If indeed that "Blind Spot" = "Slavery" and Obama is asserting that America is continuing the atrocity of slavery then I can understand his positions better. It seems to fall in line with his Ayres, Wright connection and his inner city roots of a community organizer. It also falls into place with his "Spread the Wealth" mentality and entitlement platform.

It all makes sense now.

Thanks JCL.

JCL 10-28-2008 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy
Nothing malicious about the post and if you are insinuating that I am ignorant I suggest you come down off of your pedestal of Divine enlightenment before the thin air takes your breath. If you must know, I found the clip on You tube and found it interesting. A quick search for the original source came up with nothing so I posted the link as amusement.

If indeed what you are saying is true it seems to imply that "Slavery" in Obama's mind continues on today. If indeed that "Blind Spot" = "Slavery" and Obama is asserting that America is continuing the atrocity of slavery then I can understand his positions better. It seems to fall in line with his Ayres, Wright connection and his inner city roots of a community organizer. It also falls into place with his "Spread the Wealth" mentality and entitlement platform.

It all makes sense now.

Thanks JCL.

You really should listen to the original radio interview (two links were provided) and make up your own mind. He didn't say slavery was continuing. Enlightenment, as you term it, doesn't come from above, it comes from within.

Videos like the one created elsewhere and posted in your first post are ignorant, or malicious, since the editor obviously knew that they were changing the intent by editing. Pick your poison. They are an example of politics at its worst. Spreading them lowers the campaign. Sorry if that hurts. Now, spreading them isn't the same as creating them, but it hardly helps now does it? Have you raised the tone of the debate or lowered it?

MrLabGuy 10-28-2008 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCL
You really should listen to the original radio interview (two links were provided) and make up your own mind. He didn't say slavery was continuing. Enlightenment, as you term it, doesn't come from above, it comes from within.

Videos like the one created elsewhere and posted in your first post are ignorant, or malicious, since the editor obviously knew that they were changing the intent by editing. Pick your poison. They are an example of politics at its worst. Spreading them lowers the campaign. Sorry if that hurts. Now, spreading them isn't the same as creating them, but it hardly helps now does it? Have you raised the tone of the debate or lowered it?

I'll check out your link tomorrow and get back to you.


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