Comrades, welcome to our new world.
 

hmmm...
We'll see what happens.:popcorn:

All I can say is that I hope I was wrong about Obama. We are in it now.

At least the US will look good from an international perspective. Hope that helps me out some how.

we are now officially a country that values celebrity over substance. i feel very, very, queasy.

Indeed. It is a sad day.

+1. Very true.

i have to turn off the tv now that they have called it, because all of the media people weeping on their monitors is really making me sick.

Britney Spears / Paris Hilton '12

Hmm... wonder how he'll do...

Those of you who can't bear this, migrate to Canada~!:rofl:

now the rest of the world is truly laughing at us.

there was a story on Newsweek.com that was telling - a french politican was proud of his support for obama. but, when asked when we would see a black person in high office there, his response was - no, never, things are different here.

Let the bitching begin.
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Oh..already has.

:)

not bitching - great concern that a guy that stands for nothing can elected on pure celebrity alone. i bitched about clinton - obama and what he signifies scares the sh*^ out of me.

Dun worry, I'm sure the mods will let this thread stay open for 4yrs if need be. :)

As FSETH mentioned people are tired of Republicans. Second, McCain was not the best candidate in these times for a Republican ticket. If Ross Perot was around he would have probably helped split the votes. Sell Exxon stock first thing in the morning. :tsk:

Reverend Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, Jessie Jackson, Reverend Wright and Bill Ayres are celebrating Obama's victory as we speak.

As a proud American I have a hard time understanding how this can be good for America.

Oh well...We've made it through worse so I guess we can survive Obama, Reid and Pelosi.

No pun intended...but they would probably just be laughing at you. :confused:

Obama makes me sick, most people are too simple minded to see through the smoke screen, so sad! We'll see if he will drive his socialist tactics to the extreme, communism; which I dont see as too big of a stretch considering Obama hates America, and is bitter toward the United States and everything that we stand for.

In a demacratic country, if majority wants socialism and voted for socialism, shouldn't socialism rule?:D

wow look at this forum turn into a gray cloud...

republican states turned for obama... i don't know what else can really be said about that. You can call it a republican loss more than a democratic win if you want...

All Oprah's fault.;)

Its interesting to look at the facebook statuses of my friends here versus at home.
I was first tipped off by the "there goes my parents money for the next four years" ones, then the more obnoxious big letter "BARACK OBAMA IS THE 44th PRESIDENT YAYAYYAYAYA"

which one was written by a 17 year old !ouch;

1-termer or 2, thats the new poll...

Somewhat unamerican of a comment...I see another American sheep, so sad!:D I might add, you must be another individual who fails to see lack of substance when it is directly in front of you. :rofl: You must enjoy paying taxes for socialist programs like welfare etc. With your views we might as well start a shuttle service at the Mexican border!

Build a fockin' moat.

You can even use the unemployed masses, a la new deal.
i need to go to bed. too pessimistic.

um... is there a hee bee gee bees smiley anywhere?:(
I found the socialist smiley:
:popcorn2:

:drinking: i'm dun.

I actually didn't mean what I wrote before. That was more of a sarcastic joke. I'm not a demacrat. Calm down pal! The election's over:)

Dude, that's hilarious!!:rofl: :bustingup :D

Wow the BS meter has gone through the roof on this thread...:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Are you doubting that Reverend Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, Jessie Jackson, Reverend Wright and Bill Ayres are celebrating Obama's victory?

Why should that fact not bother me or that fact most of America?

Some people only approve of democracy when the people vote the way they like. But yes, many other democracies have voted socialists into power. Vietnam was the first in 1956, Chile in 1970, and more recently Venezuela, Bolivia, Spain, Nepal, Nicaragua. That said, Barak Obama has not demonstrated to me that he is anywhere close to a socialist. I have not heard a single thing he has proposed that sounded to me like socialism.

As for you guys being afraid of high taxes, in a socialist system there are no taxes. Instead, the profits from nationalized corporations, and corporate taxes from private corporations, provide the government with the all revenue it needs. Citizens do not pay any kind of personal income tax.

Personal income tax is purely a capitalist invention, and the money from all the personal income tax collected by the Federal Government does not pay for any government programs, but instead goes to pay interest to the Federal Reserve. None of it is used for discretionary spending. It's not some big coincidence that the Income tax was created the same year as the Federal Reserve (1913). When our government granted some private banks (Federal Reserve Act) the right to print money and charge interest to loan it back to the government, they needed a way to pay for that interest, and thus they created the personal income tax. If we were to eliminate the private Federal Reserve and actually have our government manage the printing of money as every other country does, and as our own country did prior to 1913, then the income tax could be eliminated entirely without affecting government spending one bit. Your high taxes don't come from socialist programs. They come from Wall Street's influence on Washington starting about 95 years ago, and continuing until today.

Sounds like a fairytale....but for now taxpayers will pay for federal programs. I think most people would prefer a more socialist government. This way they could put less effort into how they will manage their life and let the government handle it for them instead. Capitalism is what makes this country great...people at the bottom with little/no money think otherwise. As a twist on what you define as a socialist government;there will be an "Obama" style where the people still pay taxes, not the "traditional" one you mentioned.

I just brought that up because some people seem to have the illusion that the income tax is some kind of wealth redistribution from the rich and middle class that trickles down to poor people. Just the opposite, the personal income tax collected by the government goes to the private Federal Reserve banks as interest for money they printed and loaned to the government.

It is indeed wealth redistribution. The wealth is being redistributed from the people to the large banks. That is the way American capitalism works.


Yes, there will be some kind of quasi-welfare state that some people confuse for socialism. Don't be fooled. It is certainly NOT socialism. The whole "tax and spend" philosophy has absolutely nothing to do with socialist economics.

Well, universal health care system sounds more like a socialism to me...:dunno:

Nah...Obama's "universal health care" system is a private for-profit system paid for with government subsidies. As such, it is incredibly expensive, and does nothing to increase the quality of care offered, except to offer the mediocre care that is currently available to all people at the taxpayer expense. Probably better than our current system, but not by much.

Socialized medicine is where there are no private companies involved in health care. Doctors, hospitals, and drug R&D organizations are all funded by the government. Doctors, health care employees, and researchers are all paid extermely well, but the overall cost is reduced by cutting out the stockholder and insurance company profits that exist in the current private system. Also, instead of the primary goal being to turn a profit, the goal is to provide the best care possible, so the quality of care increases. Doctors are no longer hamstrung by the limitations of an insurance policy, the profits being made from certain drugs, or the fear of a malpractice suit.

May i suggest that instead of running ahead of the program
that you get on board make room for a listening ear and see
what you can do to help rather than hinder.

I haven't a clue what Mr. Obama means by universal health care system.
and i would be willing to bet that the programs has not been defined as of yet.
So making a conclusion about the program at this point is pre-mature.

Depending on your definition of Socialism you could argue that the first Socialist government was actually the UK in 1924. When Ramsay MacDonald's labour party was elected to power. However that and his second government in 1929-31 were both minority governments. their first overall majority was in 1945, and led to the introduction of the National Health Service.

:iagree: 1000%

I "hope", :rofl:, that Obama has very good handlers. He road into power on the same style of fame that O'Malley did in becoming governor of Maryland. O'Malley was a no-body mayor and the Baltimore Sun paper decided he was their candidate. He promised all these answers to "Republican" problems. He came in with a solid budget and lessening violence in the state. He won overwhelmingly mainly because local press refused to write a bad story about him. He promised huge tax help to the poor, would limit energy costs, etc.. What has he done? He was ranked number 50 out of 50 by the CATO institute as a Governor. He unleashed the worst tax package increase in a decade and now has a sub-10% approval rating. After finally months of still preaching for him the Baltimore Sun finally wrote a "bad" article about him.

Just "hope" Obama doesn't turn out that way. And what you should be asking yourself is how is the USA going to handle a single party government now that the house/senate/white house (2 out of 3 branches of government) are controlled by entirely democrats?

Wag;

There's been a lot of discussion about how is the USA going to handle a single party government now that the house/senate/white house (2 out of 3 branches of government) are controlled by entirely democrats.

Sometime i believe people spend too much time trying to figure
out what's going to happen. Take a breath, relax, and give the process a chance. The first step in my mind would be injecting a positive
rather than a negative perspective regarding the future.

That would be wonderful, however this has played out before in my state. I'd love to put on rose-colored glasses.

What do you think will come of this??

That's your state so to equate Obama's election in that regard would be off base.

What do i think will come of this?? I have no clue but i will tell you this; Any positive attitude i have has nothing to do with Obama and his election to Government. Certinally i hope for the best but i learned long ago that putting faith in men and what they say can bring no happiness so I don't waste my time getting stressed out about the promises politicians make. It amazes me that decade after decade the same ole thing and people are still hooked on the promises made.

Is the view good from the cheap seats? :rofl:

It's not that m8...just the pessimism of this thread...Obama won and it seems everione here is throwing white flags...Give it some time before judging...and at least be happy for the fact that we are done with GWB:thumbup::thumbup:

Couldn't agree more - Bush was a disaster, and in my opinion the main reason why McCain lost yesterday. Obama's success was as much an anti-Bush protest as a success of harnessing the media. Personally I don't think it mattered who stood for the Republicans, anti-Bush feeling doomed the campaign from the start.

:saad:

The rest of the world has been laughing at us for 8 years. I guess W made you proud :tsk:

If I may....I live in a country where dirty politics such as guns, goons and gold is the name of the game, I have but admiration with the way your election has turned out.

Regardless of who won the election, all I can say is that you should be proud to live in a country with so much resources to get around. A lot of my countrymen would die just to live the American dream. Peace all!

After Bush anyone is better.

Obama is not part of the Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, Jessie Jackson, machine that is why I supported him. He is a smart well spoken man that happens to be black. That is why the country elected him.

Change is all we will have in our pockets....we are all screwed....

x54.4blue,

This is my biggest problem with (most?) Obama supporters. They keep saying he's black. He's as white as he is black...

Can we get away from the racism? The reports and stats that I was seeing on CNN was saying there was really not a race impact on the voting but that ageism was a much greater factor.

You know, I have heard a few people this morning on MSNBC say that Obama was "elected to right the wrongs of the past".

Beautiful.

Now that we are finally enlightened in this country, maybe we can adopt the Euro as our currency also.

:iagree:

It's nice for a change that when our president speaks, people will actually listen to his words rather than wonder when the next stupid thing will come out of his mouth would be. I don't follow politics too much but everytime I saw the guy I actually feared of embarrassment for him. That's reason enough to have a positive attitude for right now. Doom & gloom is speculation, based on nothing this person has done. This person was elected, not everyone like him.

I don't know why people are comparing to what could've been (McCain) when there are so many inherent unknowns - what if McCain were elected by key states - where does that leave the mindsets of the MAJORITY of the voters?

Compare it to what we've already had the last 4-8 years. When you put it that way, what more can you want right now?

I don't know. Why don't you tell me!!!

I take a position, you don't :)