So we lost
 

It is sad to hand the government over to the Democrats, it was to be expected, but I am sorry that it happened

Well, welcome to socialist America! "spread the wealth and drink the kool-aid" And hopefully you will still have some "change" in your pocket after he taxes 60% to you, or your work, etc.

Guess boss man won't be able to give us raises next year... but will likely have to raise the labor cost to the customers. That will surely help the economy.

Yes, you is lost. The Politics forum is the place for your post, not the Lounge :stickpoke

:iagree: :thumbup:

^ it behooves me to say... that was well-played sir.

no. It says that it will be archived after Nov. 4.

It is after Nov. 4 here on the right coast.
and in the midwest as well.
good day.

A. It's an incredibly stupid idea to close the Politics forum. AFAICT, most of the members here have no interest in discussing politics.

B. It says "after November 4th." No specific time given and it hasn't been done yet. Time to brush up on your comprehension skills :p:

Maybe you guys need to read this book:

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/ima..._dummies_2.jpg

Change, Change, Change......

Thanks, I probably should since I'm failing remedial english at [removed, we might actually have members from there]

Sorry, we did not lose;you lost.

Actually, we will not know who "lost" for a few years :)

Very true :thumbup:

And I just love your new avatar Wagner...!

Now lets just wait for the "redistribution of wealth" and socialized medicine... those concepts seem to work sooo great in other parts of the world. (cough. cough)

I can't wait to have my mortgage and gas bills paid for!

and you get to play with slot machines now;)

All I know is that it was forbidden to discuss "race" before the election and O'Bama (you know, the Irish guy) tried to keep the election race free. Now every news "report" is about race and we get to watch Jesse cry and Oprah act like more of an ass than she already is. So now do the floodgates of hate and discontent open and race becomes the forward most issue? Give me a break, race was hiding under this election all along.

I didn't know race was hiding during the election? You most certainly have been absent from this board for the last several months.

Anyway, I understand where Jesse's tears were coming from. Jesse was on the balcony when Martin got shot. Jesse marched on Washington, boycotted buses in Montgomery, and sang "We Shall Overcome" in Selma. He fought with his blood, sweat and tears so that last night was possible.

Say what you will about Jesse, but he earned those tears last night. There aren't many people who share his perspective, not even me as a 35 y/o black male. I can only imagine the elation Jesse felt in hearing Obama being announced as President-elect.

As far as Oprah, she stepped out quickly in her endorsement of Barack Obama when others were telling her that doing so could cost her career. If I were her I would act an ass too.

Jesse also wanted to castrate Obama a few months ago. :rofl:

As far as oprah goes, I am pretty sure she would be just fine financially if her career ended today. You can bet the farm that she would put her career on the line to help elect a black president.

:rofl: Its sad to say, but people like oprah and jesse dont care who it is as long as he is...

Also, Jesse had to come to the realization that his time has passed. Because Obama does not come from the Civil Rights pedigree as other "black leaders", I'm sure Jesse got frustrated with Obama's non-militant and passive approach. Still, at the end of the day, Barack's victory was an affirmation and confirmation that "We Shall Overcome, Someday" occurred last night.

Then, where was she when Cynthia McKinney and Alan Keys (for several election cycles) ran?

Mckinney is a certified nut and would never even come close to winning the Presidency. Oprah wouldn't do it unless she new the candidate had a chance like Obama.

Great for Jesse. The guy is a racist and I couldn't care less about him or how HE personally felt yesterday.

Oh, so not all black candidates... just one?

The one with a chance.

I think you and I have been on this merry-go-round before. I'll get off here.:rolleyes:

You might as well because I have tried to tell you in two post now that she would only do it IF the candidate had a chance of winning. What about that don't you get? She would not do it for all candidates that were black, ony the ones with a chance of winning. It is very simple. Please catch on.

Pardon me, but I am not slow, dumb or stupid, stupid! When Barack made his candidacy be known on February 10, 2007, he was a "NO" shot at winning. Oprah endorsed Barack back in April/May 2007. Can't say that it was in the bag for him then.

Who cares at this point. The majority of blacks voted for Obama, however the majority of blacks generally vote Democratic. :dunno:

Thought it was funny Louisiana voted for McCain :rofl:

I am not calling you stupid. I have just tried to explain what I was saying 2 different times and you didn't seem to get it. Do you think that in 2007 Oprah thought that McKinney had a shot in hell of winning? Nope. If she knew Obama and heard him speak she may have realized that he may be different and that he may have a chance. I am not saying that she would have endorsed anyone because they were black, I am saying that in my opinion she would have heavily endorsed and supported the black candidate in order to further his chances. I am saying yes, 100% in my opinion, the fact that he was black had something to do with her support. That is just my opinion. You are free to disagree. She was balling in the audience after Obama won and I am guessing that she wasn't just happy that the guy she supported won, but that he was black. I feel that is a main reason why she supported him so much. Like I said, feel free to disagree with that, stupid. :stickpoke

How is that funny? We all knew Louisiana was going for McCain.

What is funny is that in an office full of McCain supporters, somehow the atmosphere makes me feel that my candidate has lost.

What the Republican party needs to do is get down here and begin prepping Gov. Bobby Jindal for 2012 or 2016. He will be the superstar of the Republican Party.

What the nation saw in Obama, they will see in Jindal...guaranteed.

How is it funny, are you kidding? All the McCain is same as Bush crap Obama shoved then the state that hates Bush votes for McCain :rofl:

I wasn't actually calling you stupid...just having fun with the word stupid, stupid!

I'm sure Oprah was feeling pretty good about the historical implications of an Obama victory.

How could you say that Obama doesn't come from a civil rights background. If you knew your candidate, you would know that he got his start in politics as being apart of a civil rights movement in Chicago. He started his career as a means to help blacks...sounds like civil rights to me:dunno:. One of the first projects that he was a part of was the removal of asbestos from low income housing projects (where primarily blacks lived)...I dont even like the guy but I know his background:rolleyes:

I am sure she was. She had every right to be and you do as well. :thumbup:

Uh, Louisiana is a red state. It voted for Bush twice, and Poppa Bush.

Barack does not come out of the Civil Rights Movement of the south and the 1960's. He is a civil rights advocate, but he did not rise out of that movement.

I know my candidate well and know there is a difference between the Civil Rights Movement and being an advocate for civil rights.

Yep, Louisiana typically votes Democrat on everything except the President from what I have heard.

Did you see all the ghetto blacks from Atlanta (or somewhere like that) dancing and making fools of themselves when barack won:bling: ...
They just care that he is black, and that is really sad:rolleyes:

Nah, but I saw all of the racist rednecks from Western PA cutting a jig when Murtha retained his seat. :confused:

Get out of here with that bull-shyt, Newbie!:rolleyes:

Thread has officially gone down a notch :tsk:

:bling:

Just want to correct you.....this is not true. He was at the hotel, but not on the balcony. In fact, there is quite a bit of evidence he knew about it prior to it happening. If you're curious, that is subject for another thread, or maybe even a PM.

I've heard the conspiracy that Jesse set up MLK for assassination.
You're right. MLK was on the balcony alone at the moment the trigger was pulled. Ralph Abernathy (frat) was in the room, Andrew Young and Jesse were down the hall.

What I do believe is that James Earl Ray was a patsy and had nothing to do with the assassination of MLK.

But that is not the point. The point is Jesse was on the balcony with Martin immediately before the shot and immediately after the shot was fired.

Moments before the shot was fired. Jesse is second from left:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl...1102/img/1.jpg

So Palin's eyeing the big chair in 2012. Maybe Obama is a two-termer... :takecover

(law school!)

I doubt the Country of Africa will support her. I sure hope that rumor is not true. Reports are she thought Africa was a Country and South Africa was a State of Africa. That said I realize that Obama said there were 57 States in a speech but I believe that was just a misspeak on a long day on the road. If what some Republican insiders are saying about Palin is true I'm almost glad she was not placed in the #2 spot.

I can't believe I just admitted that on this forum.

You're general impression is correct, but you have some of your facts a little mixed up. My dad is actually good friends with William Pepper, who is the attorney who represented the King family in their civil lawsuit against Lloyd Jowers, so I have heard the details of this thing far more often than one would ever want to.

So here are some bits of info:

1. Jesse was actually in the parking lot. The famous picture you show there was actually taken the day before and was a publicity shot which actually appeared in some newspapers the morning of the assassination.

2. King was not actually alone on the balcony when he was shot. Billy Kyles was standing a few feet from him. He also knew about it in advance, and finally admitted this a few years ago on the 30th anniversary of the assassination when he was demonstrating what happened. He is quoted as saying "He was here and I stood there. Only when I moved away so that they would have a clear shot, then the shot rang out." Since that day, he has refused to talk about it again.

3. There was a local black security group called the "Invaders" that always provided protection to King whenever he was in Memphis. About an hour before the assassination, Jesse Jackson went to the hotel room of their head guy, Charles Cabbage, and told him they were being relieved of their duty and they had to vacate their rooms within 30 minutes or else the SCLC would not pick up the hotel tab for the rooms. Cabbage has testified to this in court in the above case. He also said this sort of thing had never happened before on all of King's prior visits to Memphis. Coby Smith, also of the Invaders, testified to the same thing.

4. While the Invaders were rushing to pack their stuff and get out of there, Jackson was seen by several people pacing back and fourth in the parking lot and constantly looking at his watch.

5. When King was shot, Jackson rushed upstairs, ran onto the balcony, layed down next to King, and that's how he got the blood on his shirt. This piece of information actually comes from Abernathy, who as you stated was in the room at the time King was shot. Jackson instructed the rest of them to not speak to the media and that he would handle the media. As you may know, shortly after the assassination, a rift developed between Jackson and the SCLC, and he left the organization. Knowing what we do now, it's quite obvious what the rift was about. It would not have served their purpose to implicate people within the organization in King's murder, but obviously they all knew what had happened.

6. At the time of the shooting, Ray was at a auto repair shop a few miles away getting his oil changed in his car.

7. Lloyd Jowers was the owner of a Bistro which was across the street, up and over the hill facing the other way on the main street, so that the back door of the Bistro had an eagle-eye view of the front of the Hotel through some trees and bushes. Several employees of the bistro said that about a minute after the shots rang out, Jowers went out the back door of the kitchen and came back with a package which looked like a set of golf clubs wrapped in brown paper wrapping, and he took the package down into the basement. (obviously the riffle)

8. The jury in the case delivered a guilty verdict against Jowers after 90 minutes of deliberation.

The transcript of the case can be read here:

http://www.thekingcenter.org/news/trial.html

And here is an article about the case:

http://www.courttv.com/archive/trial...99_pm_ctv.html

The most telling thing about the trial was the Jowers took the 5th when he was asked if he thought Ray had committed the murder.


BTW, what was not discussed much in the case, but is discussed in much detail in Pepper's book, is that the assassination was most likely carried out by Army's 111th Military Intelligence Group. While there is no smoking gun here, what we do know from Army Intelligence files released through the Freedom of Information Act is that the 111th Military Intelligence Group was in Memphis and their sole purpose there was to keep King under 24-hour per day surveillance. While the files released through FOIA do not specifically say that they carried out the assassination, the files do indeed say that video footage existed (or exists) of the assassination. Yet all attemps to get the video of their surveillance from that day released through FOIA have been denied.

The gun which they say Ray fired was never tested to see if it matched the bullet, and no evidence exists linking Ray to the murder except that he was staying at a hotel across the street.

Ray was kept awake with bright lights in an interigation room for 36 hours straight after his capture with no food. He was told if he signed a confession, they would feed him and let him go to sleep, and he would have 48 hours to change his mind and enter a plea of not guilty, which his public defender lawyer confirmed to him. Tennessee law at the time stated that the presiding judge had to reverse a confession if such a reversal was delivered to him within 48 hours of the confession. So the following day, Ray's attorney claims he delivered the motion to reverse his confession. That afternoon, the judge had a heart attack while sitting at his desk in his office, and drowned to death in his soup. (I'm not even joking -- that is the official cause of death.....you can't even make this stuff up...). A new judge was not assigned the case until 36 hours later. The new judge denied the motion to reverse the confession saying it was delivered too late. The end result was that the confession along with Ray's guilty plea stood, and Ray was sentence to life without the possibility for parole.

I haven't seen the video of this, but I read that he was actually joking, and that he had been to about a dozen states in one day, and thus the joke of saying "how many states are there? 57? haha"

No, he was not joking. I'm assuming that he was just tired...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

There was a new U.S. Flag lapel pin made after this though :D

What happened to Sarah Palin by the media in this election process was disgusting, unfair and a complete media-bias BS swing.....after the way she was treated by 50% of the nation, I would tell them to pound f___in sand in 2012.

Just IMO :)


Oh and BTW the TIPP poll that I quoted a few weeks back and was told to "stop dreaming"...was nearly dead on accurate :)

Final IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll Shows Obama Leading McCain 51.5% to 44.3%

No, he'd probably get nixed for Jindal from here in Nola. I'm curious to see who Jindal will pick for a running mate, Condi Rice is rumored...

Very interesting stuff.

I'll give it to Eric on this one. I've never researched this very carefully, but it is interesting reading.

I actually met Jesse Jackson one time in High School, when I was on a church mission trip. I quite liked him, as a matter of fact, back then. If I had known about this at the time, maybe I would have asked him about it.:stickpoke

:iagree: ...excellent post, Eric.
Not a conspiracy nut, but JFK's and MLK's assassinations
never made sense to me, based on the swirling CoverYourAzz jive, imo.

:iagree: Thanks to our resident conspiracy theorists, Eric.:thumbup:

If you're interested in some good and interesting reading on the JFK one, this is an excellent book:

http://www.amazon.com/Radical-Right-...6033607&sr=1-2

I actually know the author fairly well, and he is very meticulous about citing his sources and footnoting everything, so there is very little "theory" or opinion, and much more in the way of hard evidence.