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dsm2925 05-25-2009 12:21 PM

hey Wagner, i see you removed your picture of yourself.. i was just kiddin when i made those jokes a few weeks back. i guess you took it personal..

just kiddin with you..

dsm2925 05-25-2009 12:23 PM

Hey everyone dont pay any mind to Wagner.. its pointless.. he thinks the country was going great with Bush.. Dont waste your time with his post

StanF18 05-26-2009 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by alewifebp (Post 623477)
I don't see your point as being overly moderate, as much as you might wish to think it is. Your simple assertion that college educated people are flocking towards Obama may be true, but it also belies the fact that most college educators are themselves liberal and elitist, which rubs on the students. I saw it when I went to college, and I'm sure it is even more in that direction today.

Speaking of educated voters, I do hope you take a look at the following video: YouTube - How Obama Got Elected... Interviews With Obama Voters
Now I will certainly admit that both sides of the aisle are plenty ignorant, but it is not just a left/right thing as you seem to be asserting. And just because someone is college educated doesn't automatically make them right. In fact, it is quite the elitist view to think that only educated people should be the ones making voting decisions. The beauty of our Republic is that anyone can make that decision, whether that decision is perceived to be right or wrong.

Concerning "climate change", it is a much more complex issue than you paint. One can believe that the world is getting warmer (or cooler if this were the 1970s), but yet disagree with the causes of that change in climate, and the proposed solutions. I can not support solutions that will punish businesses and individuals and impose even more government control over our lives. I can't believe that anyone on here really would advocate more government control of anything. It just is so contrary to what our personal freedoms are supposed to mean and what the founders thought. And as we all know, the governments track record of making the correct decisions is lacking. Let the free market, through innovation, fix the problem, not a monolithic, politicized government.

I also can not support such solutions that provide heavy financial benefits to the biggest scaremongering hypocrite global warmingist in chief, Al Gore, and his ilk. That's what will happen with this so-called cap and trade legislation.

Lastly, we need to remember what was proposed by scientists in the 1970s to prevent the coming ice age. They proffered that they should pump more carbon in to the air, and we see how well that would have worked. :rolleyes: Who is to say that the current scientific beliefs are also not flawed, and that we may make a problem worse? These are the things that are not being addressed, and hence the conservative negativity towards any such so-called global warming.

I did not mean to imply that college-educated voters are in any way "better" or "more eligible" to vote. But for some conservatives to say that these are 'elitist' voters is a self-defeating strategy. Seems to me that education (and higher education especially) should be espoused by both parties. We now need to compete in a global marketplace where countries like India, China, Japan, and much of the EU will eventually make us into an EX-superpower if we don't make a renewed push for a rigorous, high-tech education in all our schools.

As for global warming and alternative energy, once again the US can either take the lead, or be left in the dust (or should I say smog?) It is just sad to me that this is even being made into a partisan issue>:dunno: Why? Seems to me that Democrat and Repubilcan alike should be working together to stimulate further implementation of wind, solar, nuclear, and pretty much anytihng that gets us away from fossil fuels. To me, the most enduring and FANTASTIC aspect of the Republican party has been their unflinching focus on National Security and Defense. And what better way to further this security interest than to get away from our oil-enslavement to Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Russia, and all the other shady OPEC players like Iran? Reducing reliance on foreign oil will do more for our common Defense than any B-2 Stealth or other Pentagon program could ever dream of. And while I'm all for private sector innovation, it's pretty clear that the private sector alone has not been able to 'deliver the goods' on alternative energy, so to speak. So if an infusion of Federal funds is what's necessary to get the ball rolling, I do not view it any differently than the Pentagon buying another batch of F-22 Raptors for $150 mil per copy.

amacman 05-26-2009 12:16 PM

i agree with stumpypete
i think wagner has his head up his arse
maybe he needs a Glasgow kiss , or as teuchters say ,hod im and heeder im (had to spell it that way for non scots ).

Dannyell 05-26-2009 01:48 PM

Forgive those who have no idea about EU politics...

chile1 05-26-2009 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dannyell (Post 624428)
Forgive those who have no idea about EU politics...

or US Politics, for that matter........

amacman 05-27-2009 06:34 PM

yep , show me someone whom understands any politics, most of it is a pantomime .
as for wagners first post , the link is scaremongering because the election is looming .
maybe wagner has some pointers on how to run a country ? , oh i think he is in the financial sector , the people who asked for deregulation of the system so as to con more folks out of their money , well i feckin hate the lot of them since i`m over £1million out of pocket so enjoy it while you can cos things are gonna change .

chile1 05-27-2009 06:59 PM

Wagner's been pretty quiet as of late.....must have gotten his hand slapped by his boss for posting when he should be working.:rofl:

dsm2925 05-27-2009 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by chile1 (Post 624865)
Wagner's been pretty quiet as of late.....must have gotten his hand slapped by his boss for posting when he should be working.:rofl:

hehe...


i can see him worshipping a picture of Bush....

:D


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