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Wagner 08-07-2009 07:25 AM

Obama's approval rating falling faster than your 401k
 
Poll: Obama approval drops 7 points over last 100 days - CNN.com
Obama's Approval Rating Drops to 50 Percent, Poll Shows - Political News - FOXNews.com

Obama is now down to about a 50% approval rating.....:wow:
So that said, when with the admin learn that Czars and socialism are bad moves?

Bush had a 56% approval rating at his 6-month term...for those that love to compare Obama to Bush.

Viperfreak2 08-07-2009 08:54 AM

What did Bush think about his approval ratings over the complete 8 years?

When George W. Bush was campaigning for president in 2000, he promised Americans he would be “a uniter, not a divider.” He would reform Washington D.C., he said, and govern as a ‘compassionate conservative.’ He would bring back moral values to the White House, and end the partisanship that marked the Clinton era.
Eight years later, Bush has one of the lowest approval ratings in history. According to a recent CBS poll, the 43rd president of the United States will leave office with only 22% support. Even Richard M. Nixon could count on more support in the final days of his presidency.
73% of Americans say they disapprove of the way Bush has handled his job as president over the last eight years.
Bush’s approval ratings stand in stark contrast with those of Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan, two other presidents who finished two terms; both left office with an approval rating of 68%. George H.W. Bush and even Jimmy Carter performed remarkably better with 54% and 44% respectively.
The lowest approval rating ever measured when leaving office was 32% for Harry Truman.
The comparison with Truman is one Bush and his main supporters like to make; they see Bush in similar terms. Truman may have left office with little support, but history has redeemed him.
Bush is most unpopular among Democrats; only 6% of Democrats approve of him. Independents too think little of their president; only 18% believe he did a good job. This explains why Bush’s approval ratings are so low: he can only count on the support of a majority of Republicans. Everyone else hates his guts.
Having said that, even Republicans do not think too highly of him; when only 57% of your own voters :rofl: think you did a good job, it’s pretty safe to expect your approval ratings to be extremely low.

By the way, your 401K "Dropping" analogy sux. On January 1 my 401K was down 15%, TODAY it is UP 20%.

Wagner 08-07-2009 09:10 AM

not much probably, too busy with his war on "terrahh"

chile1 08-07-2009 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Viperfreak2 (Post 648249)
What did Bush think about his approval ratings over the complete 8 years?

++2

This is inheriting a great economy and ruining it in 8 yrs. I would venture to say that if Obama had inherited a great economy his approval rating would be 80/90% after 100 days in office.......

Viperfreak2 08-07-2009 09:15 AM

I do hope history redeems him, just a little. He was correct about fighting the war(s) on terror. He just targeted the wrong country.

Wagner 08-07-2009 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by chile1 (Post 648253)
++2

This is inheriting a great economy and ruining it in 8 yrs. I would venture to say that if Obama had inherited a great economy his approval rating would be 80/90% after 100 days in office.......

:bustingup:bustingup:bustingup:bustingup:bustingup

Wagner 08-07-2009 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Viperfreak2 (Post 648254)
I do hope history redeems him, just a little. He was correct about fighting the war(s) on terror. He just targeted the wrong country.

History isn't going to.....Obama will though ;) Although, Bush 99.9% of the time was a freakin' moron. Wonder when people will realize it was Freddie/Fannie, BoA and Citigroup that caused "the financial crisis" that has resulted in Obama's now 13%+ deficit spending?

Thunder22 08-07-2009 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by chile1 (Post 648253)
++2

This is inheriting a great economy and ruining it in 8 yrs. I would venture to say that if Obama had inherited a great economy his approval rating would be 80/90% after 100 days in office.......

Oh b.s.

The economy prospered under Clinton not because of Clinton but because of the internet boom. how the hell did Clinton have anything to do with that other than Gore's claim of inventing it?

Bush didn't inherit a thriving economy, he inherited a bubble that had just burst and was on it's way to the cellar, add in 9/11 and the war on terror and you've got a mess on your hands.

I would have loved to have seen Slick Willy or Obama deal with those things as a comparison. Without a doubt, Bush didn't handle it optimally, but neither Clinton nor Obama, nor probably anyone else for that matter, had the experience to thwart the mess we're in now.

The honeymoon is over, Obama had better stop trying to spend our way out of this and get some better advice on how to fix the economy, or we're all in for an even bigger mess.

X5rolls 08-07-2009 10:23 AM

Is it just me or does it actually seem like the American public is finally waking up to the fact that big government spending is going to ruin us?

motordavid 08-07-2009 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by X5rolls (Post 648278)
Is it just me or does it actually seem like the American public is finally waking up to the fact that big government spending is going to ruin us?

:iagree:...but, imo it is too late and "too little" for what any of us,
even as a large population, can do to effect any real change or
correction.

For some scary/make you mad stuff, GOOG Town Hall
Meetings, and check out the elected idiots responses to being
questioned by us, the Great Unwashed. I love the part where
some unelected/appointed "officials" want photographs of the
questioning unruly, ID & background checks, and those foolish
enough to "question", being put on a "watch list". WTF?!

I don't want to sound like some anarchist in the bunker, but while
the gloss and veneer are blinding most, it is just more biz as usual
by the largest scab in "our system".

Meanwhile, they voted themselves some new G550s so they can
fly non-stop from DC to Beijing to look at the Tbills/Tbonds we
sucked the Chinese gov't into buying. :rolleyes:

Thunder22 08-07-2009 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5rolls (Post 648278)
Is it just me or does it actually seem like the American public is finally waking up to the fact that big government spending is going to ruin us?

Some of us have been awake since the beginning :)

Wagner 08-07-2009 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viperfreak2 (Post 648249)
What did Bush think about his approval ratings over the complete 8 years?

When George W. Bush was campaigning for president in 2000, he promised Americans he would be “a uniter, not a divider.” He would reform Washington D.C., he said, and govern as a ‘compassionate conservative.’ He would bring back moral values to the White House, and end the partisanship that marked the Clinton era.
Eight years later, Bush has one of the lowest approval ratings in history. According to a recent CBS poll, the 43rd president of the United States will leave office with only 22% support. Even Richard M. Nixon could count on more support in the final days of his presidency.
73% of Americans say they disapprove of the way Bush has handled his job as president over the last eight years.
Bush’s approval ratings stand in stark contrast with those of Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan, two other presidents who finished two terms; both left office with an approval rating of 68%. George H.W. Bush and even Jimmy Carter performed remarkably better with 54% and 44% respectively.
The lowest approval rating ever measured when leaving office was 32% for Harry Truman.
The comparison with Truman is one Bush and his main supporters like to make; they see Bush in similar terms. Truman may have left office with little support, but history has redeemed him.
Bush is most unpopular among Democrats; only 6% of Democrats approve of him. Independents too think little of their president; only 18% believe he did a good job. This explains why Bush’s approval ratings are so low: he can only count on the support of a majority of Republicans. Everyone else hates his guts.
Having said that, even Republicans do not think too highly of him; when only 57% of your own voters :rofl: think you did a good job, it’s pretty safe to expect your approval ratings to be extremely low.

By the way, your 401K "Dropping" analogy sux. On January 1 my 401K was down 15%, TODAY it is UP 20%.

Eight years, two wars and the largest terrorist attack in the nations history later....... ;) As opposed to sitting in office 7 months and having..nothing..happen... :rofl:

So it is up 20% from the 50% drop it took, so it is down 30% :rofl:

X5rolls 08-07-2009 11:59 AM

I'll admit that it is actually a relief to see the public starting to question some of the debt growth approach and that everything isn't an automatic yes to whatever comes from the administration and the congress.

Nothing positive can happen until people admit there is an issue. With this starting to occur, we have likely avoided some miserable consequences of this type of "change".

Let the national debate on debt growth happen - that is what I've been hoping for. With no way to pay for everthing commited and to be committed people will be forced to understand what options and likely outcomes await us all.

X5rolls 08-07-2009 12:04 PM

You and what seems to be a fairly small group for sure. I'm always glad to hear both sides but reassured when folks speak up about spending abuses and that there is no free lunch.

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Originally Posted by gresch (Post 648298)
Some of us have been awake since the beginning :)


cbirk 08-07-2009 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wagner (Post 648303)
Eight years, two wars and the largest terrorist attack in the nations history later....... ;) As opposed to sitting in office 7 months and having..nothing..happen... :rofl:

So it is up 20% from the 50% drop it took, so it is down 30% :rofl:

Actually. The math here doesn't work.
If you 401K drops 50% and that increases 20%, it is down 40%.
Example, Initial Balance of $100. Drop 50% gets you to $50. Increase 20% only gets you to $60.

Wagner 08-07-2009 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cbirk (Post 648324)
Actually. The math here doesn't work.
If you 401K drops 50% and that increases 20%, it is down 40%.
Example, Initial Balance of $100. Drop 50% gets you to $50. Increase 20% only gets you to $60.

You're focusing on the wrong point :) :thumbup: That is all anecdotal BS :)

cbirk 08-07-2009 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner (Post 648325)
You're focusing on the wrong point :) :thumbup: That is all anecdotal BS :)

I'm focusing on the only part that I can stomach. People may be waking up but far too slowly. We are already sunk. I just don't understand how people didn't see this coming.
-Obamacare
-Cap and Trade
-Auto ownership
-National banking
-Cash for clunkers
These career politicians only care about increasing power. Deep down, I'll bet they are happy about the recession as it gives them an excuse.

tonycajjo 08-07-2009 01:02 PM

big spending is, not will, kill this country. how many stimulus packages have come out and not one have i been able to take advantage of... sorry i didn't default on my loans, or buy something i couldn't afford. with the way the economy is and has been it promotes spending and not SAVING!

and this cash for clunkers thing tipped me over. what part of buying a "clunker" for 4500$ makes sense? let the dealers fail... in any given town you can find 4,5,6 dealers all near each other. it's absurd and not needed. this program is only going to get more people into a loan they cannot afford. at the very least make the program avaiable only for american made autos where the majority of the car/parts are made in the country.

X5rolls 08-07-2009 01:36 PM

I agree that people are waking up too slowly but not that we are already sunk. I too don't understand how people didn't see this coming. My guess is that they were so sick of Bush that ANYTHING, even this would be better.



Quote:

Originally Posted by cbirk (Post 648328)
I'm focusing on the only part that I can stomach. People may be waking up but far too slowly. We are already sunk. I just don't understand how people didn't see this coming.
-Obamacare
-Cap and Trade
-Auto ownership
-National banking
-Cash for clunkers
These career politicians only care about increasing power. Deep down, I'll bet they are happy about the recession as it gives them an excuse.


Viperfreak2 08-07-2009 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbirk (Post 648324)
Actually. The math here doesn't work.
If you 401K drops 50% and that increases 20%, it is down 40%.
Example, Initial Balance of $100. Drop 50% gets you to $50. Increase 20% only gets you to $60.

The math REALLY doesn't work. The only year I had a drop was 2008 and I clearly said it was -15% not -50%!

SO, I was up for 15 years straight (+1000% estimated) down one year (-15% in 2008 ONLY), and now I am back up 20% in the first seven months of this year (Obama and company).

I'm not sure how others invest in their 401k's but I have 1/3 in risky stuff, 1/3 in moderate risk, and 1/3 in very safe areas. I would assume if you were 100% in the risky stuff during 2008, you got hosed.

alewifebp 08-08-2009 12:01 AM

The responses by the left to the town hall meetings is so freakin' hypocritical it really defies all logic. How with a straight face these bozos (the congress and the MSM) can say some of the stuff they do and not be thrown in to mental hospitals (hopefully a VA hospital so that they can get an idea of what the US version of socialized medicine will be like). The fact that Obama and his ilk are actually instigating (you know the so-called community leader asking supporters to "get in peoples faces"), and they have the nerve to call out people for practicing their 1st amendment rights. And the people that are arriving at these protests and town hall meetings on their own, with homemade signs, while the left will bus people in with professional made signs is also telling. And the left has the nerve to talk about astroturfing.

And I too see a small tide starting to change in regards to the honeymoon for Obama. Slowly, some formerly ass-kissing sectors of the MSM are turning around, like Jon Stewart, in which the Daily Show is actually more influential and regarded than the "real" news. The CNN report card showed a pretty poor look at the various aspects, especially health care and the MSM. And while people are starting to wise up, I won't say that these people weren't few and far between before. Obama didn't win with a landslide, and McCain, even with being a weak candidate and an irresponsible fawning media still ended up with over 40% (I forget the exact numbers).

Viperfreak2 08-10-2009 08:23 AM

1st amendment rights are very important, but it doesn't include turning town hall meetings into total chaos, does it? Do conservative Christian Republicans have the right to disorderly conduct? Talking to each other can solve problems, yelling at each other just causes anger and digging in your heels. The republicans lost power in Washington, and I would suggest if they want some back (in 3.5 years) they calm down and act reasonable! Rush comparing Obama to the Nazis? I suppose if you see the military moving towards taking over Canada and Mexico, putting opposition to the firing squad, then killing 6 million+ people, then you can make a comparison!

I used the F word in front of a police officer in Chesnee SC and he told me he could take me to jail for that. I shut my mouth, did some research and found profanity is not 'speech' and is not protected. Yet, no one is being carted off to jail for this behavior.

Remember this? A couple arrested for wearing anti-Bush T-shirts to the president's July 4 appearance at the West Virginia Capitol filed a federal lawsuit yesterday alleging their First Amendment rights were violated.
Nicole and Jeff Rank were removed from the event in handcuffs after revealing T-shirts with President Bush's name crossed out on the front. Nicole Rank's shirt had the words "Love America, Hate Bush" on the back and Jeff Rank's had "Regime change starts at home" on the back.

Wagner 08-10-2009 10:21 AM

Dropping F-bombs to a uniformed officer is disorderly, questioning (as vehemently as you'd like) your own representative is not IMO. Now should people threaten people or stop them from speaking all together, of course not, however politicians seem to be missing the point their constituents are making. And an attempt to dismiss them is simply insulting and rude, especially since politicians are suppose to represent their constituents.

Viperfreak2 08-10-2009 10:34 AM

I agree with everything you say, except that when the questioning (as vehemently as they like) turns into a shouting match, each side not allowing the other to finish speaking. This is what I am seeing on the news. One person starts yelling and a bunch of others start yelling as a 'follow up'. That is disorderly! In a town hall meeting, if you are given the floor (or mic) you should be heard, then allow an answer from your respresentation, not a yelling match to drown out an answer you don't agree with.

Viperfreak2 08-10-2009 10:37 AM

Oh, and my F-bomb was only one. I slipped when the officer asked me why he got a call about a red Viper driving too fast. I said "It must have been the jealous f***er in the Honda who wanted to race me and I wouldn't"

fln8tive 08-10-2009 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Viperfreak2 (Post 648951)
1st amendment rights are very important, but it doesn't include turning town hall meetings into total chaos, does it? Do Saul Alinsky sycophants have the right to disorderly conduct?

Fixed.

Rules for Radicals; they are a double-edged sword, it would appear.


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