2012 Election Thread
 

In 2008, we had page after page in this forum. It got heated at times.

Obama was going to ruin the country. Palin was going to save it. And vice versa. MrLabGuy was on every few posts. Bystanders from outside the US (like me) joined in. Partly for the Palin jokes, but also to debate.

So, what about 2012? Results are just starting to come in. Anybody watching?

Yeah. :popcorn:

I try to stay away from politics online- I'm not going to convince anyone, and you wind up getting alienated from people with whom you'd otherwise have interesting conversations...


:cool:

Watching here, flipping through about 5 'networks' to hear the stories...
These panels each net has assembled, are annoying and light on insight, imo.

An anecdotal shot of a CO vote counting precinct showed racks of mail in ballots; it looked like the Post Office at Xmas time, circa '65. Dunno how all the votes in the key states are going to get counted, soon.

And, for those states without early voting, the populations are too big for the voting operations: standing in lines for 2-3 hrs? Like voting in Baghdad.

Interesting to see the impact that less than a dozen states have, electorally.

electorally? electronically? electrically?... lol... while it sounds absurd, but these words do have a common beginnings - electro (elektra) is a greek word for amber... derived from given by the sun, or sunny gift - something to that effect... greeks used stones to cast their votes and while i do not know for a fact, i suspect that some nobles used ambers to cast their elite vote... hence, elector, electoral college, elections... also, the same amber was used to produce static electricity, for whatever reason it might be and the phenomenon of the electricity was called... well... electricity... and all the other things, like electron, electric...

good thing we are not discussing "testemony" - even better explantion why we say nowdays, grab someone by the "balls"... lol...

Who won????

yuck

Hype & Blame won!!! this sux!!

The US lived through 8 yrs of BushieII...barring apocalyptic happenings, I suspect the US will live through 8 yrs of Obama, also.

One comment I caught, (can't remember who the talking head was), pointed out that Romney was always a 'numbers guy' and not very good at portraying his 'story' in a realistic manner. And conversely, Obama was not considered a 'numbers guy', and was more into the vague big picture along with 'his story(s)'. But, the Obama reelection machine worked the 'numbers' to a fare thee well and nailed down the specific voting areas and precincts they had to, to get those votes where needed. Mittoh farmed out much of that to the RNC and its old white guys minions, and finally started telling his 'stories'.

I thought that assessment was telling, and appeared to be a significant part of Obama's reelection.
GL, mD

PS: for the younger gang, having lived through Presidents since Harry S. Truman, whomever is the elected Prez seems not to be the 'end of the US', or life as one knows it, imo. The elected 'geniuses' of both the house and Senate and all the unelected bureaucrats and regulators, still remain the spenders and 'mis-guiders' of this country, imo.

Well, what's done is done. On one hand, I am not surprised Obama won, but on the other I am. Unemployment is higher than it was when he took office, the housing market still sucks, I think his last approval rating was about 46% and he really hasn't come through on many of his promises from 08. Honestly, if he didn't win, I am not sure what his legacy would have been other than being the first black president. Now that he has a full 8 years, the pressure is on. What will his legacy be? Will he get anything accomplished? One thing is for sure, there wont be any more blaming Bush after a full two terms. I truly hope it works out because we have no other choice.

Also, what concerns me more than the presidential election is the re election of Jesse Jackson, Jr. in Illinios and and Victor Hill in Georgia. For those of you who don't know, Jesse Jackson, Jr. hasn't even been able to perform his job duties since approx. June because of mental issues and Victor Hill was elected sheriff but may not even be able to serve as he is facing 32 pending felony charges. Who is voting in this country?

So what has Obama accomplished so far? Love him or hate him he hasn't
been sitting around. His legacy is already more than just being the first black president.

The Washington Monthly - The Magazine - Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments

Some of those accomplishments were back-doored. Bush began the Auto bail out, signed agreement to withdrawl troops by certain time period, hunted Osama Bin Laden, etc. Almost any elected President would could have stepped in and got credit for those items.

Also, I believe Obama is hovering somewhere around 38% of promises kept from his 08 run.

PolitiFact | Has President Obama kept his campaign promises?

Lastly, per Yale University sociologist Jeffrey Alexander,

"Had Obama lost the election, he would likely have been remembered in history as the first black president, and maybe little else," Alexander said.

Lastly, lastly; The accomplishment list you posted is from a left of center Democratic point of view publication. Why for example would #25. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court: be an accomplishment in my opinion?

Left or right everyone has an opinion but to say he has accomplished nothing more than being the first Black president IMO is disingenuous at best. The fact is Obama was in office when those those items were accomplished not any elected president and he didn't accomplish much of it on his own.

Finally it doesn't matter what I "think" apparently the American people have decided to give him another try and that's the way it is. "Go figure". :dunno:

Yep. Hopefully he can create that legacy this time around.

Well said mD. I could not have said it better myself.

Years ago I was in a taxi in Monterrey Mexico with a colleague... she was excited that Mexico had just voted out PRI and she asked the driver- excitedly, "so, now that PRI is out are you happy?"

He looked up in the mirror, paused, and said "Señora, PRI has been fcuking mexico for 50 years, it is now someone else's turn to fcuk mexico'

So.

A

:iagree: And here's why...... :(

Is the U.S. Senate broken? - CBS News

An exasperating interview with Senate leaders - 60 Minutes Overtime - CBS News

Saw that last Sunday eve...we have tv here on the Mtn. ;>)
Wasn't esp enlightening, imo.

Your right Quick. He has managed to
bring the last Republic on earth to
the door of Socialism. Congrats!

we are all being scared by a boogey man of the socialism - but how many on this board have lived in a socialist environment to actually testify to how bad, or how good it actually is?

I can only tell you of being raised in
a home in a post Hitler era. It scared
the crap out of me. Never forget.
Try not to repeat.

post-hitler era? hitler ran national socialist party - slightly (gee, not really slightly!!) diferrent from socialism... hitler preached equality for germans... while everyone else could just go to hell... socialism is different - and we already preach it, when we say that everyone has an equal shot at the american dream, everyone gets equal pay, everyone has equal rights, all the minority groups have equal rights... this is the socialism... add to the that the police state we are in (the USA), and you are approching the germany circa mid-30ies...
scary!!!

i was talking socilaism a la russia before Gorbatchev...

[QUOTE=TerminatorX5;906590]post-hitler era? hitler ran national socialist party - slightly (gee, not really slightly!!) diferrent from socialism... hitler preached equality for germans... while everyone else could just go to hell... socialism is different - and we already preach it, when we say that everyone has an equal shot at the american dream, everyone gets equal pay, everyone has equal rights, all the minority groups have equal rights... this is the socialism... add to the that the police state we are in (the USA), and you are approching the germany circa mid-30ies...
scary!!![/

Our Republic is of equal opportunity
Everybody has a shot on their own.
Not everyone has to take from another
to then get their shot. Individualism.
You might recall it. Make it on your
own and take resposibilty for
yourself.

this reminds me of a law of the jungle - we are not savages... if i see someone falls on a street, i will offer a helping hand... why do we not extend the individualism standard to other countries?...


check out foreignassistance.gov, and tell me that that money given away could not do us better here in the US...

So, if its not too bad, lets
just go with it?

Charity is the helping hand. Not taxation.

we are taxing US population, but offering helping hand to egypt? nothing aginst egypt, very old civilization, but - can't they be on their own?... not just egypt.. a few other countries, whose population is not very friendly to us...

Agree 100%

I did... And am old enough to remember and understand the difference. And can only see the downslope at this point. When I moved to US 23 years ago, I thought it would be my first and only emigration. No longer sure about that!

Саша, мне 43, в Штатах с 91-го... В Совках успел отслужить, потом приехал сюда... а здесь - равенство, братство, кругом менты (даже в лапу не сунешь), человек человеку волк, капиталисты и буржуи... одним словом, всё чо там было херово, и всё про чо здесь писали, что хреново - в одной лохани... развели гомиков, поскольку бабы не дают, и орут, что свобода и демократия - а попробуй чо сказать, правда-матка глаза режет, и тебя просто затюркают...
God bless America...