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Michelle 12-01-2007 09:46 AM
Toyo Proxes S/T First Impressions
 
I've driven about 40 miles with the new rubber. Here are some of my first impression:
  • All I have to say is -- what noise? :dunno: Many warned me about a loud road noise from the tires, but my Diamaris were A LOT louder than the Toyo Proxes!
  • These things grip the road like no other! On and off ramps were amazing last night!
  • They look so beast! The 87's look even wider from the rear with the Toyo Proxes! :thumbup:

The guy at the tire shop suggested having them "flipped on the rim" every 10,000 miles. (They take the tire off of the rim, and turn it around so that what was on the inside is now on the outside, to even out the uneven wear caused by the negative camber.) Sounds like a good idea to me. Does anyone else have this done?

AutoXer 12-01-2007 01:49 PM
I have about 17k miles on mine now. Noise has not gotten any louder. They are about 1/2 worn. I have not flipped mine. In fact, have not even thought about it at all. I think to have that done, mounting and balancing will cost around $100. Don't think that makes much sense to me. But if your guy will do it for free, why not?

So have been happy with the tires and would recommend them.

LeMansX5 12-01-2007 02:06 PM
Loud in comparison to Advans and Michelins. Did you ride on either of those with same wheel?

AutoXer 12-01-2007 07:51 PM
No, I was on 19" with Michelin's before switching to 20" with Toyo's. The Michelin's were slightly quieter and I expected that. So not a problem with me yet.

ncx 12-01-2007 10:10 PM
Hmmmm. interesting. Following thread. I am in the market for 20" tires soon... Thanks for upping the topic, 'chelle. :thumbup:

trueX5er 12-01-2007 10:17 PM
The bridgestone Dueler 400 H/L on mine saved me from skidding into a Cayenne S who completely blew a stop sign right near a school playground. Maybe he was braking as hard as he could, (first snow of the year), but he never came to a complete stop, and so I flipped a shit on him. People, don't use performance summer tires in the winter. k thanks.

Krunk Man 12-01-2007 10:34 PM
have any pics?
I just ordered these for my 177s.
Cant wait to get them installed.

Michelle 12-01-2007 11:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by trueX5er
People, don't use performance summer tires in the winter. k thanks.
These are all-season tires.

Michelle 12-01-2007 11:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Krunk Man
have any pics?
I just ordered these for my 177s.
Cant wait to get them installed.
I will take some pictures tomorrow.

LeMansX5 12-01-2007 11:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ncx
Hmmmm. interesting. Following thread. I am in the market for 20" tires soon... Thanks for upping the topic, 'chelle. :thumbup:
Go for the Advans. That's what I will do when I change.
http://www.xoutpost.com/x5-e53-forum/...-diamaris.html

Krunk Man 12-01-2007 11:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michelle
I will take some pictures tomorrow.
thank you:thumbup:

JayX5 12-02-2007 01:50 AM
I must say I love my TOYOs too. They are super sticky and best part of all they look so aggresive from the rear. After 5k miles, they still perform like new(no unnecessary road noise etc.)

AutoXer 12-02-2007 04:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Krunk Man
have any pics?
I just ordered these for my 177s.
Cant wait to get them installed.
Here were some of my photos:

http://www.xoutpost.com/x5-e53-forum/...s-finally.html

cmyX6go 12-02-2007 07:06 AM
Glad you're happy with your tires Michelle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michelle
These things grip the road like no other! On and off ramps were amazing last night!
:whistle: :rofl:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michelle
All I have to say is -- what noise? :dunno: Many warned me about a loud road noise from the tires, but my Diamaris were A LOT louder than the Toyo Proxes!
I just started to hear my Diamaris after two seasons, maybe 18K miles
Quote:
Originally Posted by trueX5er
People, don't use performance summer tires in the winter. k thanks.
:iagree:
Summer tires just aren't the same in cold temperatures, even if the pavement is dry. Mother Nature caught me looking this year :tsk:. I was supposed to change my tires last week and never did. We got our first snow this morning, although only a dusting to an inch. Gotta change my tires.....

vinuneuro 12-02-2007 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeMansX5
Go for the Advans. That's what I will do when I change.
http://www.xoutpost.com/x5-e53-forum/...-diamaris.html
:iagree: Advans are fatnastic. Comparing them to the Proxes is a tough deal though since one is all-season and the other is a high-performance summer tire.

djbock 12-02-2007 10:33 PM
Might not be a bad idea to do the swap thing on these. After mine starting wearing out due to the camber they did get noisier. I mainly think that it was due to the tread pattern after they started wearing down on the inside edge.

Don't get me wrong, love the tires, great handling and have been wearing extremely well, but I don't know if I would get them again due to being a directional tire, but then again will have to remount any tire to utilize the full tread I guess.

Just my .02.

cue03 12-02-2007 11:14 PM
hmm... it is time for me to change my tires on my truck. still on the original with 19K. The noise is horrid especially at any speed under say 40 mph. The rear tires are worn pass the wear marks but only in the middle section of both rear tires. The outsides looks fine. I am in S. FL. So i am trying to decide between the Toyo and the Advan S.T.

any ideas why my rears would only wear in the middle. I have 4.8is.

Curtis

djbock 12-02-2007 11:20 PM
Isn't wear in the middle of the tire usually due to over-inflation?:dunno:

LeMansX5 12-03-2007 12:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinuneuro
:iagree: Advans are fatnastic. Comparing them to the Proxes is a tough deal though since one is all-season and the other is a high-performance summer tire.
:iagree: but ncx has a separate set for winter, therfore the suggestion. ;)

DipnX5 12-03-2007 06:38 AM
Before I mounted my Nad4 wheels on my X, I had toyo proxies (on 17in oem wheels). I was really impressed with all aspects of them. They were actually pretty decent in the snow, ALOT better than my 285/35/22 sumitomos. :)

Boston X5 4.4 12-03-2007 10:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michelle
The guy at the tire shop suggested having them "flipped on the rim" every 10,000 miles. (They take the tire off of the rim, and turn it around so that what was on the inside is now on the outside, to even out the uneven wear caused by the negative camber.) Sounds like a good idea to me. Does anyone else have this done?

You can't flip them on the rim if they are asymmetric as tread pattern and sometimes composition is different across the tire.
The Diamaris is asymmetric - don't know about the Proxes.

broknlgs24 12-03-2007 10:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michelle
The guy at the tire shop suggested having them "flipped on the rim" every 10,000 miles. (They take the tire off of the rim, and turn it around so that what was on the inside is now on the outside, to even out the uneven wear caused by the negative camber.) Sounds like a good idea to me. Does anyone else have this done?
if i remember correctly, the toyo's are unidirectional. i could be wrong, but i do not think u can do this w/ the toyo's.:dunno:check ur tires, u should see arrows on the sidewall indicating the rolling direction.

Boston X5 4.4 12-03-2007 10:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by broknlgs24
if i remember correctly, the toyo's are unidirectional. i could be wrong, but i do not think u can do this w/ the toyo's.:dunno:check ur tires, u should see arrows on the sidewall indicating the rolling direction.
Its if they are assymetric or not that matters whether or not you can flip them on the rim. You can (have to) flip unidirectionals on the rim.

Personally, if the tires were balanced well first time I would just bust buy new shoes when its time rather than trying to eke out the last few miles.

vinuneuro 12-03-2007 11:10 AM
They are directional tires. If they flipped the tire on the wheel, it'd be so that they can rotate side to side, not just front-back. The LF would go to the RR, etc. Would combat any camber wear related issues.

Michelle 12-03-2007 11:13 AM
If they can't be flipped on the same rim, could the left rear tire be moved to the right rear rim? They'd still be rolling in the same direction, but what was on the inside will now be on the outside. :dunno:

vinuneuro 12-03-2007 11:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michelle
If they can't be flipped on the same rim, could the left rear tire be moved to the right rear rim? They'd still be rolling in the same direction, but what was on the inside will now be on the outside. :dunno:
They're flipping so that they can do that. If they swapped wheels like that without flipping the tire, the tire would be rolling backwards.

Michelle 12-03-2007 11:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinuneuro
They're flipping so that they can do that. If they swapped wheels like that without flipping the tire, the tire would be rolling backwards.
I think you misunderstood what I said.

The rims are going to stay in the same spot. They would be moving the tire only. It would still be rolling in the same direction....

vinuneuro 12-03-2007 11:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michelle
I think you misunderstood what I said.

The rims are going to stay in the same spot. They would be moving the tire only. It would still be rolling in the same direction....
It doesn't matter whether the wheels move or not. As long as the tire moves from left-right and is facing the right direction.

Boston X5 4.4 12-03-2007 11:43 AM
Short(ish) generalized answer
- non-staggered, non-directional, symmetric can be rotated all round front and back without taking the tire off the wheel
- non-staggered, directional, symmetric can be rotated front to back on same side without taking the tire off the wheel
- staggered, non-directional, symmetric can be rotated left to right but not front to back without taking the tire off the wheel
- staggered, directional, symmetric can be rotated left to right but you need to re-mount the tires on the rims (inside out so to speak)
- staggered, directional, asymmetric can not be rotated

I think the Toyo Proxes are staggered, directional and assymetric (last one above) so you can't (or shouldn't) rotate them.

LeMansX5 12-03-2007 12:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston X5 4.4
Short(ish) generalized answer
- non-staggered, non-directional, symmetric can be rotated all round front and back without taking the tire off the wheel
- non-staggered, directional, symmetric can be rotated front to back on same side without taking the tire off the wheel
- staggered, non-directional, symmetric can be rotated left to right but not front to back without taking the tire off the wheel
- staggered, directional, symmetric can be rotated left to right but you need to re-mount the tires on the rims (inside out so to speak)
- staggered, directional, asymmetric can not be rotated

I think the Toyo Proxes are staggered, directional and assymetric (last one above) so you can't (or shouldn't) rotate them.
:iagree:

vinuneuro 12-03-2007 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston X5 4.4
Short(ish) generalized answer
- non-staggered, non-directional, symmetric can be rotated all round front and back without taking the tire off the wheel
- non-staggered, directional, symmetric can be rotated front to back on same side without taking the tire off the wheel
- staggered, non-directional, symmetric can be rotated left to right but not front to back without taking the tire off the wheel
- staggered, directional, symmetric can be rotated left to right but you need to re-mount the tires on the rims (inside out so to speak)
- staggered, directional, asymmetric can not be rotated

I think the Toyo Proxes are staggered, directional and assymetric (last one above) so you can't (or shouldn't) rotate them.
They are symmetrical so you can move them left-right.

LeMansX5 12-03-2007 02:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinuneuro
The LF would go to the RR, etc. Would combat any camber wear related issues.
How would a staggard tire go from LF to RR? :confused: you can only have the 10.5" in rear.

vinuneuro 12-03-2007 02:21 PM
Typo. LF-RF.

LeMansX5 12-03-2007 02:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinuneuro
Typo. LF-RF.
That means changing the wheel for directional tire. And changing wheel everytime you rotate is not good for integrity of tire. Those tires will be short lived.

vinuneuro 12-03-2007 02:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeMansX5
That means changing the wheel for directional tire. And changing wheel everytime you rotate is not good for integrity of tire. Those tires will be short lived.
How many times do you think someone is going to do this at $100 a tire swap?

The tire can be flipped on the same wheel, and then used on the opposite side. As long as the bead is bead is not damaged there's no compromise in the integrity. And that's what the expensive machines are used for.

LeMansX5 12-03-2007 03:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinuneuro
How many times do you think someone is going to do this at $100 a tire swap?

The tire can be flipped on the same wheel, and then used on the opposite side. As long as the bead is bead is not damaged there's no compromise in the integrity. And that's what the expensive machines are used for.
Any more than twice during the life of tire is bad. Sometimes even a 2nd change can compromise.

AutoXer 12-03-2007 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinuneuro
They are symmetrical so you can move them left-right.
I agree with this. They are symmetrical, but economically, at $100 per swap, it's not worth doing. The tires including mounting and balancing only cost me around $900.

dkl 12-03-2007 11:33 PM
Plus, each time you remount/rebalance the tires trying to get a few more miles from them, you risk rim damage from the process. Just be diligent with monitoring your tire pressure and buy new tires when needed.

broknlgs24 12-03-2007 11:51 PM
ok, i am confused. are unidirectional and directional the same thing?
because as per Toyo's site, the tires are unidirectional.

vinuneuro 12-03-2007 11:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by broknlgs24
ok, i am confused. are unidirectional and directional the same thing?
because as per Toyo's site, the tires are unidirectional.
Yep, one/single direction. :)

blueagle 12-21-2007 03:55 AM
I am using Toyo Proxes tires in my 19" rims. It has been about 5 months and driving under hot tropical conditions, I ahve not encounteres any noisy problems or fast treadwear. Tire size is 255/50/r19 on all 4 tires. Would like to go staggered but road conditions in the Philippines are not suitable especially if I use my X5 as a daily car. I drive an 02 X5 3.0d euro.

ibfwm 12-21-2007 09:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cue03
hmm... it is time for me to change my tires on my truck. still on the original with 19K. The noise is horrid especially at any speed under say 40 mph. The rear tires are worn pass the wear marks but only in the middle section of both rear tires. The outsides looks fine. I am in S. FL. So i am trying to decide between the Toyo and the Advan S.T.

any ideas why my rears would only wear in the middle. I have 4.8is.

Curtis
Curtis,
Keep us updated on what you decide. I'm also in S FL and am in the market for new tires on a 4.8is. After doing quite a bit of research, I have decided on the Yoko ADVAN ST's. I plan on having them installed next week but could be swayed if better information surfaces.
Thanks!!

ibfwm 12-21-2007 09:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michelle
I've driven about 40 miles with the new rubber. Here are some of my first impression:
  • All I have to say is -- what noise? :dunno: Many warned me about a loud road noise from the tires, but my Diamaris were A LOT louder than the Toyo Proxes!
  • These things grip the road like no other! On and off ramps were amazing last night!
  • They look so beast! The 87's look even wider from the rear with the Toyo Proxes! :thumbup:
The guy at the tire shop suggested having them "flipped on the rim" every 10,000 miles. (They take the tire off of the rim, and turn it around so that what was on the inside is now on the outside, to even out the uneven wear caused by the negative camber.) Sounds like a good idea to me. Does anyone else have this done?
Michelle,
What was the deciding factor that made you to go with the Toyo's? What other tires did you consider?
Thanks!!

Michelle 12-21-2007 09:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ibfwm
Michelle,
What was the deciding factor that made you to go with the Toyo's? What other tires did you consider?
Thanks!!
They were suggested to me by several members who live in my area and experience the same winter weather conditions.

I didn't look at any other brands.

2002Silver4.6is 12-21-2007 11:37 AM
I have the Toyo's, 315's all the way around, I can rotate them front to back. Additionally, I have neutralized the rear camber. I have not seen any decrease in handling and I take off ramps at 60 - 70 mph.

No noise issues with about 5k miles......

034.6 12-28-2007 10:52 AM
Toyo's
 
:thumbup: Thanks Michele, I was keeping an open ear for info for new tires for the 4.6...I have Toyos on my M-3 and they have done very well...Thanks again and Happy New Year to all! ;)

zerochief 12-29-2007 01:13 AM
Ridiculous cloverleaf off-ramp speeds!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2002Silver4.6is
I take off ramps at 60 - 70 mph.

No noise issues with about 5k miles......
I have toyo's also, staggered, with factory camber. No noise issues and really grip fair weather California roads. Just for shiits and giggles (and a thrill :yikes: ) I also take cloverleaf off-ramps at ridiculous speeds! :woot: (w/ the DSC function minimized because when its fully engaged it cramps my style) :driver:
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...f/DSC01315.jpghttp://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...1601zzzzzz.jpghttp://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...SC01233-33.jpg

ljnlaw 12-29-2007 06:19 PM
Where did you guys buy your Toyo's????? I need to get a set and have them mounted on my 87s before the end of the winter.

Michelle 12-30-2007 12:34 AM
I got mine at Radial Tire near DC.

Sweetbimmer 12-31-2007 03:09 PM
Looks nice Michelle im in the market now....what did they run you???

ljnlaw 12-31-2007 03:22 PM
Thanks Michelle

Michelle 01-02-2008 10:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweetbimmer
Looks nice Michelle im in the market now....what did they run you???
On the rim and out the door was $821.00. :thumbup:

VegasX5is 01-13-2008 11:56 AM
My new Toyo Proxes S/Ts
 
I just brought a set for my OEM 20s, and I'm very pleased with them. I had found them online for about $700.00 delivered, but I ended up buying them at a local dealer for an out the door price of $1,050.00.

ljnlaw 01-13-2008 12:30 PM
Vegas where did you find them online for $700.00???

VegasX5is 01-13-2008 02:19 PM
onlinetires.com

jbimmer24 01-20-2008 04:16 PM
Hi, all i luv my toyo's....question,what causes the tires to go in slighty from the top when on the road?


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