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Do you have stone chips to the paint in front of the rear wheels?
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Yeah I was getting this and had stone guard put on the lower rocker panel and half way up to the door on the the rear wheel arch. Seems better now but we'll see how the stone guard holds up
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Yes, mine looks just like the one in the picture. I had 3M put on the entire front of the car and had a brain fart by not doing the rockers. Now I will have to have them repainted and 3M put on.
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Same thing here - it's definitely a design issue. The whole lower parts of my rear doors as well as the arches are utterly destroyed. I've had many vehicles over the years and have never seen anything close to this bad. Some chips are to be expected but the paint looks completely sandblasted. It would be nice if BMW cared enough to correct this by repainting & applying the highest quality film available (though the film would need to be replaced every few months because it wouldn't hold up to the abuse either) - but my dealer could care less.
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3M is your friend - done before delivery if possible.
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i'm surprised after all of this BMW hasnt put a protection on these parts straight from the factory
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Amazing...pay $100k for an SAV with an Earl Schieb paint job. Nice work GMW -- shows a lot of pride in your flagship product.
Apparently, its not enuf of a piss off to get rid of the car, so I may just have to cut out holes for the windows in a car cover and drive it around like that to keep it pretty. If anybody can recommend a good product/installer in the LA area, please do speak up. TIA |
I don't blame paint quality. I blame my desire to have a car with super wide tires.
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Are there BMW OEM mudflaps available for the M or for that matter the M Sport Package? Anyone have a picture of them installed?
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They specifically do not have a listing for X5M. However, I do know that the M and the DP (individual) rocker panels have the same shape in the front. Type the word flaps in search box. |
From what I have read, the mud flaps do not do the trick. The best hope is a clear bra-type of covering and even then it still happens, but less significant.
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It happened on my ML320 with sport package too. Welcome to wide tires and painted lowers.
My X3 M Sport will be getting a full 3M clear package, with full rockers and fender flares, before fall to stop this. The only other way to stop it is to move to a location that doesn't get snow. My car is from Vancouver and is pristine, but it mostly rains there in the winter. Up where I live, the snow and gravel on the roads will eat the paint away. |
Found out today that most dealers around the country are receiving complaints about the paint chipping issue on X5 M. Chipping issue is not just the rocker panels but also fender flares and lower half of doors. Some owners have even returned the car back to dealer, breaking the lease term.
Beware, those installing spacers as this issue will only get worse. Certainly not a winter car, unless you don't mind salt chipping the paint. |
I just started looking into the issue at my dealership. It might be
time to visit Porsche across the street here. a true shame, the car is magnificent. the 3m tape i had put on all over my car with custom cuts is literally disintegrating off....the cost was around 2,200 for the tape and i was just quoted at 2,500 to repair it...there is no fix honestly and BMW knows this. the picture posted is exactly what it looks like, now just add damage to the lower doors and you own an x5m. does the x6m have this problem? |
I think just like the rear subframe tearing issue, a defective design, there should be a class action lawsuit regarding this defective design. I too am considering a trade for a new porsche instead, what a shame
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I installed 3M stoneguard along rockers, running boards, and rear doors on my X6M; 4k miles and the 3M product is destroyed. Bad design!!! Installed when the X6M had 300 miles.
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For whatever reason, I did not notice the same issues on my previous 09 X6 5.0?
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there were no wide fender flares and your stock running boards were made of the black plastic that does not show chips :thumbup: |
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I went out and looked at my 4.6, it has some wear on the very bottom corner like the M but its nothing really and its 7 years old now. the M isn't even one and is ten times worse already. the 4.6 doesnt have the wear towards the font or on the doors either.. I love BMW but this just isnt right.. |
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Most of the damage occurred during the winter, however it just seems to get worse as the miles increase. The running boards on my previous X6 5.0 were much more durable. The rear doors on that vehicle had absolutely no damage at 7k miles? I don't believe the X6M has any wider body panels. Perhaps the 5.0 running boards were wider behind the front wheels keeping the stone splatter off the body?
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Maybe somebody on this board has an in with BMWNA and can start a dialogue on this issue?
BMWNA should be a little concerned about their customers trading in a $90k vehicle and going to the competitors over this issue, which seems to be very common. |
I walked both my service advisor & the dealer GM out to the car & they both looked at me like I was crazy, despite the severe damage which was obvious even to someone who doesn't typically care about this stuff. Not an encouraging sign!
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Individual dealers are a waste of time IMO. This is something for BMWNA to handle if it is truly a widespread problem.
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I do not have any chips.The film however is already ruined. Just installed generic mudflaps in front and they do help! Areas that would have been chipped without 3M, are rear doors, rear wheel arches, and the entire length of running boards.
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I believe any X5M and X6M without 3M and /or mudflaps will have paint damage. Every single one I have seen is peppered if not completely ruined. I would never buy another one again. I try to keep my vehicle pristine and it is impossible to do so with an X5M/X6M unless they are never driven.
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Range Rover Supercharged, here I come again!
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For those of us leasing this is going to be a very real concern, because we all know that the inspector who comes to evaluate the vehicle condition is trained to note any "excess" wear - so having thousands of paint chips in these areas would certainly qualify especially since this will likely be their first experience with an X M vehicle. If for no other reason than this BMWNA needs to be notified & work out a way to exempt our vehicles from this part of the contract.
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I feel for you guys already leasing. It's probably not much comfort, if any, but your experinces with this issue will stop others like me from leasing or buying until either (A) BMWNA gets involved and steps up or (B) individual dealers vow to cover such damage as a warranty item or otherwise (it would still suck to have to deal with this on a recurring basis). They will have to step up one way or another if sales drop off in connection with this issue and others. |
I have to say I've driven 2500 miles in my 10 3.0 M Sport X5 o er the last week. San Diego to my home in Montana, then over the last few days through Yellowstone and SW Montana.
Not a single mark so far on the clear bra material on the rocker panels, rear doors or rear fender flares. Just got back tonight from a that 4 day trip and cleaned about one billion dead bugs off the clear bra on the front of the car and the windshield. I've also averaged 23mpg on the road. The car has been a joy to drive on this trip. I was a little worried that it would lack power, especially in the mountains. But it really has been fine. In fact my average speed from San Diego was 79mph and still I saw 23mpg average. Couldn't have done that with the X5M. But I do miss my X5M sitting in My garage in SD. I won't however miss the gas bill on my credit card next month the M would have brought.… :) |
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I drove the new cayenne turbo today, its nice but something was missing.
It looks smaller than the old one but i was told its larger. the M feels stronger and also looks it. the turbo kept reminding me of Mazdas suv from the side and back as well. speaking of the rear end, its just weird and the tail lghts are horrible looking in my opinion. the whole car just felt small... i hope there is some sort of fix for the M, Ill find out what my dealer says about this problem tomorrow..... p.s. -thanks lemans |
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Can we sticky this somewhere so people can follow the progress of this issue? |
The new pepper is smaller, and lighter, and too Kia/Hyundai looking from the back. IMO
Can you apply your own 3M clear tape? Does it come in small sheets so you could cut a small section for the door and rocker and replace them when you see damage, or after each winter? |
Had my car in today for another issue and pointed this out. He kind of shrugged and said "yup".
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I don't see why this is deemed to be a paint or paint prep issue, since it sounds exactly like any car built in the last twenty years that doesn't have protection for the debris path from the front tires, whether that be mudflaps, running boards, or whatever. Any tape is not going stand up, as people have found out. Other manufacturers have tried a flexible coating (looks like a pebble finish) on the lower rocker panels, but the real fix is mud flaps IMO, or a fender design that stops the debris. |
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With my growing frustration, I stopped by the Porsche dealer. Drove the new 2011 Cayanne Turbo. Very nice. There was a Panamera Turbo there. This is a picture just in front of the rear wheel well. Not sure if this is an option or put on by the dealer.
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So far no chips or marke in the venture sheild. And vie now put well over 2.5k on the 3.0 on this tripand still going. |
im now waiting on my dealer to respond, i was told my case has been taken up with
the head of some bmw divison rep and also they would most likely "fix the paint" & " have the 3M guy redo his end of the deal." everything went well until i asked what i had been waiting to ask the entire visit. " now what happens when i return with the same amount of miles and it looks like this again ? then what? i am not driving a car that costs this much to have it repainted every X amount of miles." no answer, it was just met with enthusiasm and confident handshakes that everything will work out and be okay....we will see.. the guys at my dealership are great and if there is anything that can/could be fixed i feel good that it will happen....i hope so anyway, the car is just amazing |
p.s. this site and it's information along with all you guys helped a lot in explaining the situation to them :thumbup:
thanks to all and i am glad to be apart of this site as well :cool: |
Incredible...well, unless there's a fix implemented soon, my options have opened up again.
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It will happen with ALL large wheeled vehicles where the tires stick out farther than the body. The is not a BMW problem, it is a physics problem. If you can bend the laws of physics so that debris coming off the tires in a vertical forward motion can now come off in horizontal forward motion, you will have fixed the problem! :popcorn: |
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If it's a physics problem then the buyer should not be responsible for the "fix". Engineers should've accounted for that during R&D! I have a couple vehicles with rather large wheels...the largest being 315/35/20 on my E53 4.6iS with 30mm spacers in the rear. Although they are not painted, there is zero damage to the rockers and fender flares. |
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I had the exactly same problem with my 2004 ML320 with the sport package and large painted lower fender flares. In one year of driving, the paint was all pitted and starting to wear through. The only answer to this problem is to clear bra the area from the start. My 2000 E320 wagon even had this area covered from the factory as this was a know problem. |
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This is an incredible car/truck. Do not let this minor issue deter you from the experience. Buy it. Then have it trucked over to someone who can 3M the front, hood, fenders, rockers and rear fenders. M |
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I can only assume that the X5M has more curves and the body moves further toward the middle of the vehicle in front of the rear tires vs. the E53 as it was a "squarer" vehicle. Plus, the E53 4.6is has plastic on the lower body panels vs. the X5M. This, plus running boards, would help keep it wider overall, which in turn will keep debris off it. http://photo.netcarshow.com/BMW-X5_4...2_photo_04.jpg http://photo.netcarshow.com/BMW-X5_M_2010_photo_06.jpg Our ML320 (with AMG flares) had the same issue. http://photo.netcarshow.com/Mercedes...0_photo_03.jpg |
well, I heard back from my dealership today and they told me BMW will stand by the vehicle.
I was told that the photos of my car were sent to the design division of BMW in N.J. and that they were going to see what needed to be redesigned to avoid the problem. After they fix whats wrong, i was told my car will be repaired 100% with no charge to me. |
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They should have never painted the bottom of the running boards at least :dunno: |
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I am actually getting the lower doors and side skirts fully wrapped with 3M clear film on my X3 M Sport before winter to keep this from happening. Actually, everywhere in yellow is getting protected as I know the rock chips are coming. http://bora20.smugmug.com/Cars/2007-...98_xqR6T-M.png http://bora20.smugmug.com/Cars/2007-...42_rNMWp-M.png http://bora20.smugmug.com/Cars/2007-...92_LPAq4-M.png |
I certainly don't expect body parts to be painted if they will literally be destroyed after a few thousand miles! I have had many, many vehicles and have never seen anything even close to this. It's an obvious design flaw, not a physics problem. BMWNA really needs to take care of this problem for us, and I think we should formally start keeping track of dealer responses and actions that we can use as ammunition to get this resolved.
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^^^That is why I asked if we could sticky this thread for now so it could be used as a source of information on the issue but no bite from the admin/mods. I would have stickied something like this on our forum.
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I agree 100%, I wonder why they won't do it?
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If you look at the number of replies in this thread, and the number of views, it is far less than the various threads that are stickies. It isn't up to me, but just saying.
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well my case went "national" and bmw is sending me/my dealer their own
version of 3m tape that they call a "stone guard." its something new they are going to offer on new cars or have added to them soon... they told me it should be at my dealership in about a week... |
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The overall quality & thickness of the 3M film varies to a very high degree; I'm very curious to see specifically what you receive and if it is branded for BMW or not. What areas of the vehicle did they agree to cover?
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they didnt say where yet but i was told it is a bmw product
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BMW does not make film.
With that said, there are various thickness of films, coated vs. non coated films, optical clarity vs more orangepeel, and the list goes on. For a daily driver, I do insist the rockers be covered. Hmmm...I do like the X6M but I'm not overly there yet.... Even with clearbra, while it will save the paint, the clearbra will take the abuse and it's $$$ to replace if done by a pro . It would be interesting to see what others are having in regards to their experiance but clearbra is NOT the univeral answer. Will the end user just come back b1tcheeeen cause the CB looks grainy and not so clear any more...Bear in mind, you cannot polish out CB film...to smooth it down and level it out. off my soapbox on Cb |
update - the bmw film/stone gaurd should be in this week and ill post a photo for you guys if i can...
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well it arrived today at my dealership, its 3m film with a bmw logo thats pre-cut to the lower painted running boards and the wheel flares. it does nothing to help the lower door problem. my dealership said they will custom cover the lower doors. i couldnt get a photo but if anyone needs the part number just let me know...
so 3m the car first and be aware you will have to replace it as needed/often. 3m the flares, both lower doors, and the running boards to avoid excessive damage. |
Thanks for the updates. This kind of sucks. I will let it go for now...
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Very interested in this. Wish I had read about it prior to accepting delivery of our X5 M Sport. :confused:
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this might help, it's a quick ps of the damaged areas. ( based on my M )
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Yup the those red areas are the worst, ugh
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Subscribing in hopes that there's a laminate solution that would apply to having 315's in the front. I'm thinking that the E53's paint might not be far behind with this configuration.
Sorry to hear about this guys. :( |
I'll admit that while I did not read the whole thread in it's entirety...but based on the pic above, to a degree, the rocker panels on alot of vehicles suffer similar abuse...
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here are the part numbers for the bmw 3m tape they now offer to help. it doesnt cover the lower doors.
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When I bought my X5M in December, I drove it right to the shop to have 3M put on the front. They covered everything from the front bumper to the windshield (bumper, fenders, entire hood and wheel arches). Yes, I made the mistake of not doing the sills or rear fenders. This custom shop has a lot of experience applying this 3M film. Because it is black and the size of the hood, they really had a lot of difficulties. We were both disappointed in the finished look. They agreed to look for something better and redo it. All I would pay for is the cost of the film. They decided to use XPel. XPel uses a gel to aid application. They stated it was a significant improvement with installing. The finished look is 100% better. They were able to wrap in under the leading edges of the hood and fenders for extra protection. They were able to use just one piece for the entire hood. Taking off the 3M was a HUGE pain for them. Half of the adhesive was left behind. See the picture.
They repainted the sills and rear wheel arches. They were able to repair most of the rear fender without repainting the entire thing. They then applied XPel on portions of the rear arches, sill and fender. It looks great. I could not be happier. This is a must. While there I also had the factory wheels (which I use for snow tires) powder coated and a Passport 9500ci installed. Check the other thread. M |
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Kind of what i figured that everyone was owned by 3M. Where ever they ordered if from last time did not have sheets big enough to cover the hood. XPel did. And they had this gel to apply it that worked well when putting it on such a larger surface.
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BMW just released a stone-guard package (Stone-guard film and mud flaps). Its right about $600 for everything.
"BMW of North America is pleased to announce a Stone-Guard Package for the X5 M and vehicles with the X5 M sport package (SA 337). The use of mud flaps in combination with transparent stone-guard protective film helps prevent damage in the vehicle’s exposed areas of the side skirts and wheel arche" |
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BMW last week announced a solution for both X5 and X6 Models. It consists of a Mud Flap and 3M Type Solution, think of 911 Rear Arches in the 1980's. |
anyone got pics of these mudflaps ?? prolly really ugly
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I was just shown these flaps and holy **** they are ugly , ill get a photo the next time i get my car washed. there is no way anyone here with an M / M-Sport will stick these things on...
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I saw this mud spray pattern on the truck when I was filling it today. Thought is was a good representation of where the 3M needs to be placed.
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It would be nice if you could duplicate the driving that caused that pattern with the mudflaps installed.
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Good thought for someone to do. I will not be installing mudflaps. I put film on most of the bottom and front of the car. Good enough for me. M |
nice post 998m, thats about right
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With no mud flap, it makes complete sense to me. Let's not forget I am running wide tires and spacers. What does surprise me is that almost all of the damage was at the back. And almost nothing at the front.
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