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Joshdub 09-21-2015 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by B-M-W (Post 1051716)
Set too high for what?:). An old failing rotting cooling system, yes. Too high for a cooling system that's up to snuff, no. I've heard of people trying to put a bandaid on there cooling system by putting on a lower pressure cap. This only hurts the system. At lower pressure, the system loses effeicency. At higher pressure, the coolant can "cool better". The system with the lower cap pressure will over heat faster and start to piss coolant out faster, overall. The overheating threshold lowers by adding a lower pressure cap. These cooling systems are great if kept up to par, problem is, people don't or don't know how too. Example: http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...ing-screw.html

Except the system doesn't run at 30 psi except for during an overheat condition, which really doesn't matter anyway since the engine should be shut off. The 2bar could work, if BMW didn't make shit quality expansion tanks and hoses. The expansion tank on my E30 is 25 years old and rock solid. You never hear about people replacing them unless they want a clean looking white one.

B-M-W 09-21-2015 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshdub (Post 1051744)
Except the system doesn't run at 30 psi except for during an overheat condition, which really doesn't matter anyway since the engine should be shut off. The 2bar could work, if BMW didn't make shit quality expansion tanks and hoses. The expansion tank on my E30 is 25 years old and rock solid. You never hear about people replacing them unless they want a clean looking white one.

More opinions. "Bmw makes shitty quality hoses and expansion tanks". I beg to differ and at the same time ask what your definition of shitty is? I have a 15 year old cooling system on one of my DDs with over 130k and it's still rockin so I have a different opinion. Maybe this is a fluke idk. I have read similar experiences.

SlickGT1 09-21-2015 12:12 PM

Not an opinion. Do some searching here first. Expansion tanks must be how BMW makes most of their money. It is also not an opinion that my 4.8is has never had an issue with the 1.4 bar cap. Yes, my tank blew up too, maybe because I overfilled it, I don't know, it was 2 years old. I replaced hoses and tank, and 1.4 bar cap. No issue since. That is not an opinion. Car has not overheated, or shown any sign of doing so. It has not burped, or purged, or whatever.

1.4 bar, had to go look at it.

Here is the GAS solution. And description of how retarded 2.0 is.
https://www.germanautosolutions.com/...12_bar_cap.php

More discussions on retarded 2.0 caps.
Got the 1.2 bar expansion tank cap from German Auto Solutions - Bimmerfest - BMW Forums

Oh and just if you are bored, just google BMW 2.0 bar cap.

B-M-W 09-21-2015 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickGT1 (Post 1051755)
Not an opinion. Do some searching here first. Expansion tanks must be how BMW makes most of their money. It is also not an opinion that my 4.8is has never had an issue with the 1.4 bar cap. Yes, my tank blew up too, maybe because I overfilled it, I don't know, it was 2 years old. I replaced hoses and tank, and 1.4 bar cap. No issue since. That is not an opinion. Car has not overheated, or shown any sign of doing so. It has not burped, or purged, or whatever.

1.4 bar, had to go look at it.

Here is the GAS solution. And description of how retarded 2.0 is.
https://www.germanautosolutions.com/...12_bar_cap.php

More discussions on retarded 2.0 caps.
Got the 1.2 bar expansion tank cap from German Auto Solutions - Bimmerfest - BMW Forums

Oh and just if you are bored, just google BMW 2.0 bar cap.

Hey man I'm well aware of the problems people have with cars. I'm not debating here , just stating facts. I never said the vehicle will overheat with a lower pressure cap. I said putting on a lower pressure cap lowers the overheating threshold.

In your case, was the expansion tank you installed oem or aftermarket? Was it filled properly? You stated maybe not so that kind of ends it there.

You also state that you have had no problems since you have changed to a lower pressure cap, new hoses, and tank, and everything is fine with no puking. Awesome. Now that you have your cooling issues figured out you can put your 2bar cap back on and all will be well!

B-M-W 09-21-2015 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by trader4 (Post 1051760)
Explain to us how it can not be a manufacturing defect. The cooling
system has a cap with a pressure relief. ALL the components of that
system should be able to withstand the max pressure allowed by the
relief valve and there should be significant margin beyond that. All
the engineering principles say that. If the tank leaked because of
excessive pressure, then either it was defective and it failed at
normal pressure, the pressure relief in the cap is defective, or BMW
engineers are idiots.

Coolant doesn't compress. Air does.

Joshdub 09-21-2015 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by trader4 (Post 1051760)
or BMW
engineers are idiots.

Sometimes that is the case.

SlickGT1 09-21-2015 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by B-M-W (Post 1051763)
Hey man I'm well aware of the problems people have with cars. I'm not debating here , just stating facts. I never said the vehicle will overheat with a lower pressure cap. I said putting on a lower pressure cap lowers the overheating threshold.

In your case, was the expansion tank you installed oem or aftermarket? Was it filled properly? You stated maybe not so that kind of ends it there.

You also state that you have had no problems since you have changed to a lower pressure cap, new hoses, and tank, and everything is fine with no puking. Awesome. Now that you have your cooling issues figured out you can put your 2bar cap back on and all will be well!

OE, as in from BMW at openroad.

I didn't overfill, but this is only my 4th bmw, so what do I know.

I also, did not do the radiator. Because I find that quite silly.

Again, our system cannot hold 2 bars, with brand new parts. All that plastic, especially hot, will not be able to make the cap relieve the pressure. Something else will explode first. This is the same reason BMW issued all the e30 guys 1.4 bar caps after they made a big enough stink about it. All the new BMWs also do not have the 2.0 cap.

If someone is willing to come by my garage, I will put 2 bars of air into your system, and prove a point. Even my coolant pressure tester, I struggle to pump up past 1.6 -1.7 bar. At 1.6, all the hoses feel like rocks. Not normal. Your coolant system does not operate at this pressure.

B-M-W 09-21-2015 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by trader4 (Post 1051775)
Which matters not a wit. Following that logic, a home water heater should
explode instead of the relief valve opening if the pressure goes beyond
normal. A water heater has no air at all. Air isn't required for a pressure
relief valve to open. Good grief.

Ok genius, you explain why overfilling an expansion tank with coolant shouldn't be a problem with out using the word water heater :)


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