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Jake335i 02-07-2016 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jdstrickland (Post 1068339)
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Given the miles of hoses, the gas cap might not be the actual problem. There is a code specifically for the gas cap seal, it's going to be defined as Gross Leak or Small Leak, depending on the severity.

Using this link, P0445 Evap Emission Purge Control Valve Circuit Shorted DTC, I think you have a hardware issue with the purge valve itself, or the signal to turn it on or off.

Thanks for the link...I guess it was just wishful thinking on my part. Lol

Jake335i 02-07-2016 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by X53Jay4.8is (Post 1068308)
Agreed its more likely the purge valve or vacuum leak up front. I had this code early on and it was a vacuum hose up front near the purge valve thus creating a malfunction. Always start with the simple things before going deep.
At cold starts I hear this.....no ticking but loud hissing for about 60seconds. I posted this video when I first heard it, but did get any helpful responses.

I researched it for a while, and came across some old posts where people described a hiss at start and that it was normal....

X5 expert thoughts?

https://youtu.be/vJco9IpWcG0

Thanks in advance

X53Jay4.8is 02-07-2016 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by oldskewel (Post 1068325)
On the subject of gas caps, a SES and some codes were thrown the other day while my daughter was driving, not long after she got gas. After looking into the codes, it seemed one possibility could have been the gas cap.

After inspecting it, I noticed the seal had a few cracks in it. So I flipped it over (so the new sealing surface was like new, with no cracks) and reinstalled the seal in the fuel cap, and put the fuel cap back. No more codes a week or so later.

But I searched and was unable to find the seal being sold as a separate item. I'd like to get a new seal. But it looks like I'd need to buy the gas cap assembly to get the seal. Right?
At 170K miles on the X just get a new gas cap from BMW. They are not that expensive.

Jake335i 02-08-2016 11:21 AM
Thanks for all your help!

Does anyone know anything about resetting the evap ses light? I have an obdIi and a BMW scanner 1.4.0 and I can't get the light to reset at all.

I clear the code, but that light never turns off, not even momentarily??? I have tried with the engine running as well as with it off...

I also found somewhere to let the vehicle cold idle for 4 minutes, did that, nothing....

My last hope is to pull the battery cable, but I never like to go that route if I don't have too.

I understand that he problem may still exist, but shouldn't I be able to turn off the light, even if just for a few seconds?

Thanks

X53Jay4.8is 02-08-2016 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Jake335i (Post 1068415)
Thanks for all your help!

Does anyone know anything about resetting the evap ses light? I have an obdIi and a BMW scanner 1.4.0 and I can't get the light to reset at all.

I clear the code, but that light never turns off, not even momentarily??? I have tried with the engine running as well as with it off...

I also found somewhere to let the vehicle cold idle for 4 minutes, did that, nothing....

My last hope is to pull the battery cable, but I never like to go that route if I don't have too.

I understand that he problem may still exist, but shouldn't I be able to turn off the light, even if just for a few seconds?

Thanks
Why do you fear disconnecting the battery cable on your X5. Its not one of those vehicles that you have to have a secondary power source for proper operation.

Qsilver7 02-08-2016 03:17 PM
Disconnecting the battery cable will not clear the SES/CEL/MIL warning light. If it did...you wouldn't have the million+ posts all over the internet about not passing emissions inspections. :D

If the light is still illuminated...it means the sensor that the sensor is still reading a fault.

You can try running a route that would cover the FTP (federal test protocol) drive cycle...which would test ALL of the emissions systems sensors...and if they don't register any faults...then the light should go out if all things are correct. You can see that there are FOUR tests (see the info on the top half of the chart below) that will test the systems listed on the lower half of the chart.

jdstrickland 02-08-2016 05:04 PM
If the code is not clearing, then the issue is not resolved. You are probably fixing the wrong thing. You say that the gas cap does not fit right, and this can easily be problematic but not the problem that is making the light be on. Your code, P0445, says that the purge valve is bad. If the system fails to hold pressure, then you get a code for Small Leak or Gross Leak, depending on how badly it leaks. These codes are different than the Purge Valve code.

crystalworks 02-08-2016 05:56 PM
Not sure if the X5 has one... but last time I had an evap code it turned out to be the carbon filter/valve in the trunk.

Helihover 02-08-2016 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by crystalworks (Post 1068450)
Not sure if the X5 has one... but last time I had an evap code it turned out to be the carbon filter/valve in the trunk.
Ya! This is the purge valve! Located on the front of the engine on a 4.4.

crystalworks 02-08-2016 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Helihover (Post 1068451)
Ya! This is the purge valve! Located on the front of the engine on a 4.4.
Sorry, forgot to finish my thought... I was having that code on an e36 328i with an m52b28, which is why I said it was in the trunk. LOL :D

Sounds like a reasonable place to start then. Might try to find a good used one.


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