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2006_X5_4.4 05-17-2016 07:03 PM

Found this in the oil...
 
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Recently my 2006 X5 4.4 started making a clicking noise in the engine. I especially hear it when going up steep hills. It seems to get louder and more prevalent once the engine gets to operating temperature.

I am attaching a couple pictures of what I found in the oil. Can anyone help me identify this material and help me identify what part of the engine it may have come from? There are no warning lights of any kind and the engine oil pressure checks out fine.

Ideas and help most appreciated! Thanks!

2006 X5 4.4

upallnight 05-17-2016 07:40 PM

If it is plastic, could be timing chain guides breaking up. I wouldn't be driving the X until you fix it.

2006_X5_4.4 05-17-2016 07:46 PM

Thanks upallnight, the plastic bits are about the same size as seeds. They easily snap in half when I press on them. The metal shavings have me wondering too. Do you know some relatively easy things I can check before I get too far into it? Thanks, I appreciate your response.

stiubhartach 05-17-2016 08:12 PM

Kinda looks like phenolic used in chain guides. Or whatever plastic they use now. Could it be from the filter itself? The shavings look like copper. A rod bearing would look like that and also make a knocking noise during operation.

Use a magnet and see if the shavings are magnetic. Also run a magnet through the oil and see if you pick up finer material.

I second the idea of not driving it if it's making noise. Hardware engine noise quickly turns from a $100 fix to a $4000 repair if driven too long.

2006_X5_4.4 05-17-2016 09:13 PM

Thank you stiubhartach. I appreciate your advice and assistance. I will not drive this until I figure out what it is and fix it. I will check the filter and timing chain guide to see if that is the issue first. The consistent tempo in the noise makes me feel like it could end up being the rod bearing.

I plan to use the Bentley repair guide as my main reference for these repairs. Do either of you or anyone else recommend a youtube video/feed or a forum post that goes into the nitty gritty details of what I am getting into here? Thank you.

tecboy99 05-17-2016 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by upallnight (Post 1078167)
If it is plastic, could be timing chain guides breaking up. I wouldn't be driving the X until you fix it.

It's a 2006. Chain guides aren't too common on the N62's, are they?

stiubhartach 05-17-2016 11:13 PM

I've never done a rod bearing change on a BMW before, but this link has some good info. The front drive train will mean more work, but it looks doable. You remove the oil pan and running gear.

An experienced mechanic should be able to tell if it's a bearing by listening to it run. That should be your first step. And much cheaper than getting in there and finding that's not the bearing after all.

The flecks are brittle, so they could be carbon from a lower cylinder wall chipping off.

An oil test will also tell you if the bearing has come apart.

https://www.turnermotorsport.com/c-392-rod-bearing-kits

bcredliner 05-17-2016 11:57 PM

Suggest you remove the oil filter and see if it is intact or if there there is more there. They actually look like seeds. I have never seen foreign material in oil that has rounded edges rather than an irregular shape with ragged edges.

David.X5 05-18-2016 02:26 PM

It doesn't take that long to remove the valve covers and take a good look at the guides. They are some sort of dark brown plastic. The copper is hard to explain - the only pure copper I recall is the various crush washers. The bearings are laminated, I think you would see some whitish metal also.

The rod bearings are easy once you get the pita oil pan off. Assuming the N62 oil pan is as bad as M62 oil pan, then it's a ~20 hour job (in and out) to drop the oil pan. Yikes!

LVP 05-18-2016 05:41 PM

You can drop the oil pan on the N62 easily. I did on mine without much headache.

Qsilver7 05-18-2016 05:46 PM

Is your dip stick intact...no missing end pieces etc?

http://europarts4export.com/wp-conte...07/DSC0073.jpg

tecboy99 05-18-2016 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LVP (Post 1078264)
You can drop the oil pan on the N62 easily. I did on mine without much headache.

He is referring to the Upper oil pan, not the lower one. The upper is a pain in the ass. The differential is bolted to the side and the axles run through. Dropping the oil pan entails dropping the front driveshaft, differential, suspension, and subframe. I've done three, and getting pretty good at them. Haha

LVP 05-18-2016 08:24 PM

Upper = pita, agree. I just did lower pan on mine to see what crud was in there.

David.X5 05-18-2016 08:43 PM

Dropping the lower pan may also be a good idea - won't give access to the rod bearings, but it's pretty quick and would let you check for any bigger chunks you might be able to identify. Also lets you inspect the oil pump intake screen to make sure it's not clogged with this stuff.

Domo018 05-19-2016 08:38 AM

Definitely looks a lot like the dipstick.

bcredliner 05-19-2016 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Qsilver7 (Post 1078266)
Is your dip stick intact...no missing end pieces etc?

http://europarts4export.com/wp-conte...07/DSC0073.jpg

Excellent prospect.

bcredliner 05-19-2016 12:16 PM

I would not remove the valve covers until you are doing so to verify a highly probable source. Neither take special tools or are difficult but both take a fair amount of time especially the valve covers that I wouldn't invest until I had a much better idea of the source of the pieces. Are the orange pieces in the picture actually that color, which looks like brass or copper, or is it because of the light source? Are the orange pieces the metal you reference? And, can you take a picture with something in it that provides a size perspective--like a penny?

If those are rod bearing pieces I would think you would be hearing more than a ticking noise. Generally rod bearing noise gets louder when you rev the engine because of the load. When trouble shooting method is remove the spark from one cylinder at a time. The bad cylinder will get quieter when there is no spark to it. Ticking sound is often valve train noise. Rod knock is more of a hammering sound.

Another prospect is that someone is really angry with you.


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