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O3X5 09-21-2016 05:43 PM

thought so. mine was made in September '03 lol

Lowblock 09-28-2016 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wpoll (Post 1088459)
Change occurred at 10/03 so early 03's don't have it - late 03's do....

Build date on mine is 06/03 and I have it. I know because when I went to put an aftermarket tow package I had to tap into the LCM HMBL to get the brake signal for the brake control and the Wiring harness had to be compatible with PWM so the tail/running lights on the trailer would work correctly.

O3X5 09-28-2016 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lowblock (Post 1089089)
Build date on mine is 06/03 and I have it. I know because when I went to put an aftermarket tow package I had to tap into the LCM HMBL to get the brake signal for the brake control and the Wiring harness had to be compatible with PWM so the tail/running lights on the trailer would work correctly.

Interesting since mine was built 3 months later yet I don't have it.

or maybe I do?

wpoll 09-28-2016 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lowblock (Post 1089089)
Build date on mine is 06/03 and I have it. I know because when I went to put an aftermarket tow package I had to tap into the LCM HMBL to get the brake signal for the brake control and the Wiring harness had to be compatible with PWM so the tail/running lights on the trailer would work correctly.

Turns out this is more complicated than I (or maybe anyone!) thought...

The tail light difference is dependent on the inclusion of Xenon lighting, the build date and intended market.

According to the wiring diagrams, all cars up to build date 09/01 didn't have the PWM tails. From 09/01 until 09/02 all USA cars got the "force-dependent brake light function" feature, not using the PWM feature but using an extra lamp. The rest of the world never got this configuration. From 09/02 in the USA and 10/03 in the ROW all cars got PWM tails, including the "force-dependent brake light function".

But it also looks like the "force-dependent brake light function" may have been included in the ROW Xenon package when it was selected as an option, so even though the wiring diagrams indicated that no ROW car had PWM tails until 10/03 and all USA cars had it from 09/02, I'm pretty sure there are exceptions.

At any rate, there are at least twelve different tail light wiring configurations! :confused:

USA Halogen - 09/99 - 09/01
USA Xenon - 09/99 - 09/01
USA Halogen - 09/01 - 09/02
USA Xenon - 09/01 - 09/02
USA Halogen - 09/02 - 10/03
USA Xenon - 09/02 - 10/03
USA Halogen - 10/03 - ??/06
USA Xenon - 10/03 - ??/06
ROW Halogen - 09/99 - 10/03
ROW Xenon - 09/99 - 10/03
ROW Halogen - 10/03 - ??/06
ROW Xenon - 10/03 - ??/06

All bets are off!!! :rolleyes:

O3X5 09-28-2016 04:53 PM

So the brake light has different stages? About to pull in backwards across the street against the storefront to check lol

deepblonde 09-28-2016 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wpoll (Post 1088443)
This is why you need to add capacitors to non-facelift LED tails when fitted to a facelift model- the PWM signal won't work with the LEDS properly without some sort of averaging circuit (a capacitor). This averaging is done by the tungsten filament in normal incandescent tail lights.

This PWM is nothing to do with cold-monitoring - although that is there too. The PWM system driving the tails cannot be controlled by coding - you would need to replace the LCM.

Are you sure about that wpoll? :

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wpoll 09-28-2016 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by deepblonde (Post 1089105)

I'm not sure about anything with the tails anymore... :D

BUT, it doesn't make sense to be able to change the mark/space ratio in coding, or at least too much, as that defeats the functionality.

My guess it the value you are adjusting is actually the frequency of the PWM, which will have the same (visual) effect as adding the capacitors. The caps smooth out the pulses so you can't see them - the higher frequency makes the pulses too fast to see. Same same...

wpoll 09-28-2016 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by O3X5 (Post 1089101)
So the brake light has different stages? About to pull in backwards across the street against the storefront to check lol

Given that the "force-dependent adaptive brake light" function is driven from the state of the ABS and the deceleration sensors in car, it might be hard get it to activate - I've never managed it. :confused:

Haven't reversed through a storefront either..! :D

deepblonde 09-28-2016 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wpoll (Post 1089107)
I'm not sure about anything with the tails anymore... :D

BUT, it doesn't make sense to be able to change the mark/space ratio in coding, or at least too much, as that defeats the functionality.

My guess it the value you are adjusting is actually the frequency of the PWM, which will have the same (visual) effect as adding the capacitors. The caps smooth out the pulses so you can't see them - the higher frequency makes the pulses too fast to see. Same same...

Yes, I think that is what I'm guessing is happening;
The reason such options would have been provided on the assembly line for easy provision for change,
I'm guessing,
was to provide an easy way to alter the brightness of the tail and brake lights.

Three years now ,

and no capacitors ,

No flicker;

and no problems with my LED tail lights! :2thumbs::bmw:

wpoll 09-28-2016 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by deepblonde (Post 1089109)
Yes, I think that is what I'm guessing is happening;
The reason such options would have been provided on the assembly line for easy provision for change,
I'm guessing,
was to provide an easy way to alter the brightness of the tail and brake lights.

Three years now ,
and no capacitors ,
no flicker,
and no problems with my LED tail lights! :2thumbs::bmw:

Nice find, deepblonde! :thumbup:


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