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AV8R4AA 01-27-2017 07:40 PM

Alternator whine
 
I have a 2004 air cooled alternator that has a slight whine.
It's not loud, just an intermittent whine.
Bought a mechanic stethoscope to isolate the noise.
It's the alternator for sure. Twice I have removed the serpentine belt
and spun every bearing pully. The last time I removed every pully and regreased them, they are not the noise. Even the alternator spins dead quiet.
Which is odd, because every alternator that had a marginal bearing, sounded
bad with a spin. Mine is solid and smooth with no noise by hand.

It's not a full time alternator whine, I think it's just one of the 2 bearings.
I hate to have to buy a 300+ new alternator for just one bearing.
Anyone have this issue?
Any new bearing kits to install?

X53Jay4.8is 01-27-2017 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AV8R4AA (Post 1100401)
I have a 2004 air cooled alternator that has a slight whine.
It's not loud, just an intermittent whine.
Bought a mechanic stethoscope to isolate the noise.
It's the alternator for sure. Twice I have removed the serpentine belt
and spun every bearing pully. The last time I removed every pully and regreased them, they are not the noise. Even the alternator spins dead quiet.
Which is odd, because every alternator that had a marginal bearing, sounded
bad with a spin. Mine is solid and smooth with no noise by hand.

It's not a full time alternator whine, I think it's just one of the 2 bearings.
I hate to have to buy a 300+ new alternator for just one bearing.
Anyone have this issue?
Any new bearing kits to install?

one thing about those alternator bearings once they go they can lock the engine and stall the car. My 540i Msport bearing began to fail eventhough it was still charging well and when it went it stalled the car right in the driveway. I was glad it happened there vs. on the road. Changed out the alternator and all was good.

AV8R4AA 01-27-2017 09:05 PM

Ok.
Cha Ching $$$$$
Hello Autohaus

80stech 01-27-2017 09:31 PM

I've heard the the valeo alternator has a "floating field" which can get knocked out of alignment and cause excessive whine, especially when charging heavy. That was the first thing I replaced on the X. When I bought it I noticed the alternator whine and I just ordered a new one(assuming it was a bad diode), when I went to install it I realized that the one I was replacing was almost new and then investigated a bit and came up with the story of the field(rotor winding) moving. Supposedly happens often in shipping.

Fifty150hs 01-28-2017 01:04 AM

Replaced a bad alternator with new rebuilt. Had a whine afterwards. After some electrical problems got a replacement alternator (rebuilt), no whine. Has to do with quality of rebuild maybe?

msammy 01-28-2017 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AV8R4AA (Post 1100401)
I have a 2004 air cooled alternator that has a slight whine.
It's not loud, just an intermittent whine.
Bought a mechanic stethoscope to isolate the noise.
It's the alternator for sure. Twice I have removed the serpentine belt
and spun every bearing pully. The last time I removed every pully and regreased them, they are not the noise. Even the alternator spins dead quiet.
Which is odd, because every alternator that had a marginal bearing, sounded
bad with a spin. Mine is solid and smooth with no noise by hand.

It's not a full time alternator whine, I think it's just one of the 2 bearings.
I hate to have to buy a 300+ new alternator for just one bearing.
Anyone have this issue?
Any new bearing kits to install?

You say it's intermittent and I'm having the same problem. I've replaced all belts, tensioners and pulleys to no avail and have a weird whine/groan ONLY when the A/C is on. Without A/C, the sound goes away as the A/C compressor puts load on the system and the noise returns (only when the compressor kicks in). Are you having the same symptoms only with A/C on? If so, you may have helped pinpoint my problem, I thought it was the A/C compressor, but maybe it's the Alternator?

semcoinc 01-28-2017 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AV8R4AA (Post 1100401)
I have a 2004 air cooled alternator that has a slight whine.
It's not loud, just an intermittent whine.
Bought a mechanic stethoscope to isolate the noise.
It's the alternator for sure. Twice I have removed the serpentine belt
and spun every bearing pully. The last time I removed every pully and regreased them, they are not the noise. Even the alternator spins dead quiet.
Which is odd, because every alternator that had a marginal bearing, sounded
bad with a spin. Mine is solid and smooth with no noise by hand.

It's not a full time alternator whine, I think it's just one of the 2 bearings.
I hate to have to buy a 300+ new alternator for just one bearing.
Anyone have this issue?
Any new bearing kits to install?

I can tell you this for sure, that my 2003 WATER cooled alternator seized up and via serpentine belt tension, prevented the starter from cranking the car. Unknowingly, I jumped it and with extra cranking power got the engine to turn over and start, then all manner of smoke and belt pieces revealed themselves.

Extracted belt and limped home the 5 miles or so without overheating and sans power steering.

No fun to deal with a seized anything on that serpentine belt :pullhair:

So, if it is truly an alternator issue, I'd deal with it on my terms and not in a parking lot somewhere. I got my rebuilt off ebay and believe I'm past the infant mortality stage.:dunno:

Mike

squidzilla 01-28-2017 12:03 PM

You can rebuild your OE one with some of the kits they sell on ebay. A member names oldskewel rebuilt his with one of these kits. The seller for his is some guy in Ireland I think. I bought one for the alt on my n62 545i. Between the kit and the voltage regulator I am into it 65.00 or so. The seller provides videos on how to rebuild your alternator and it really does not look hard.

X53Jay4.8is 01-28-2017 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AV8R4AA (Post 1100412)
Ok.
Cha Ching $$$$$
Hello Autohaus

BMW X5 E53 V8s is like a never ending case of special needs:( And you got two of them to tend to.

AV8R4AA 01-28-2017 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X53Jay4.8is (Post 1100488)
BMW X5 E53 V8s is like a never ending case of special needs:( And you got two of them to tend to.


Yes,
Not sure which is more aggravating, dealing with teenage kids,
or 2 BMW X5's
Either way, I seem to always busting open my wallet.

oldskewel 01-28-2017 04:01 PM

If you're not sure if the whine is from the bearings or electrical, maybe you can disconnect a wire somewhere (choose carefully to be sure not to create more problems for yourself) to electrically isolate the alternator, with the belt, etc. still on. This will be a tougher test since you say it is intermittent.

squidzilla 01-28-2017 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AV8R4AA (Post 1100494)
Yes,
Not sure which is more aggravating, dealing with teenage kids,
or 2 BMW X5's
Either way, I seem to always busting open my wallet.

I feel your pain with 5 BMWs.

I do all DIY to save money, plus I like to learn some new skills.

545i: Voltage regulator is dead causing an overcharge after 10 miles of driving. Car sits mostly until spring so I can replace the 37.00 VR. Dealer wants almost 2k and indy is about 1200 or so.

330xi: Alternator died last week. I think the bearings are going out on it as well. Does not charge and is starting to vibrate. I will fix that in the spring for the cost of the repair kit from that ebay seller I mentioned. About 50.00 or so.

The two silver e53s have door carrriers and or window regulators failing.

X53Jay4.8is 01-28-2017 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AV8R4AA (Post 1100494)
Yes,
Not sure which is more aggravating, dealing with teenage kids,
or 2 BMW X5's
Either way, I seem to always busting open my wallet.

Yeah I told you my friend :You are a brave soul taking on two E53 X5's at one time. I love my X5 but one is enough for me. Thank God for the E39M5 and E24 635csi solid built platforms.

andrewwynn 01-29-2017 03:30 AM

We have two x5s 'his and hers' 2001, before we bought them it was only because I can fix almost anything; my brush and slip ring kit just came today to fix my alternator. Not a difficult job. I was hoping to replace just the brushes, but wowza the slip rings were shot!

Is the whiny alternator a fresh replacement?

You can isolate if the problem with alternator is electrical by simply disconnecting the output cable; only under actual load will you generate forces that could be audible. If you still have a whine it likely is a bearing; the good news is the bearing kits are not expensive; the bearing + slip ring + brush kit is about $30-40.


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