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we350z 01-13-2018 10:21 PM

Window Regulator Longevity - Pro Tip
 
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3rd time replacing my driver front window regulator. Total pain in the ass wrangling them in and out. Got a tip on the Facebook forum to spray silicone lube in the window channels. Along with copious amounts of lithium grease on the regulator tracks must say the window now glides much more effortlessly. Also applied to the other 3 windows as preventative measure.

80stech 01-13-2018 10:25 PM

What brand of regulator are you using? What is the point of failure?

we350z 01-13-2018 10:42 PM

Seems that the cable always gets snagged / spaghettied somehow. I've used OE and cheap Chinese don't seem to matter.

Crowz 01-13-2018 10:44 PM

Jbweld will make it last... possibly forever.

It may fail somewhere else but it wont fail where you jbweld it.

Scott ZHP 01-14-2018 11:27 AM

Just ordered a URO "Premium" regulator. It has ball bearings in the cable guides instead of a bushing. Plan is to lubricate this with Triflow. I think lithium grease is a good idea, but it's too thick for use in northern climates (it's about 10F outside now) where it will harden over time.

I normally steer clear of URO stuff, but the video on Rockauto was pretty convincing.

crystalworks 01-14-2018 12:04 PM

3rd regulator on the same door? How long have you owned your X?

Also, curious, do you open/close your doors with the windows down? I've read that does/might cause extra stress on the regulators? Never experienced a re-failure myself, but thought I would ask.

80stech 01-14-2018 01:34 PM

@scott zhp Lubriplate at one time made some low temp white grease that was great down to -40 C/F. I used it in the chain case of my sled back in the day. It actually didn't seem to seperate as much as the regular stuff either. I think what happens to the bowden cables(same as what happens with the door handles) is that the cable lining gets a grove worn into it and then the slightest bit of moisture freezes the cable into the grove.

Scott ZHP 01-14-2018 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 80stech (Post 1126352)
@scott zhp Lubriplate at one time made some low temp white grease that was great down to -40 C/F. I used it in the chain case of my sled back in the day. It actually didn't seem to seperate as much as the regular stuff either. I think what happens to the bowden cables(same as what happens with the door handles) is that the cable lining gets a grove worn into it and then the slightest bit of moisture freezes the cable into the grove.

Thanks, I'll look for it.

Somewhere there's a "rubber glove fingertip" mod for the cable end to keep moisture out. You snip the finger off a heavy duty nitrile glove, fill it with your grease of choice and seal the end of the cable. Made me laugh, but I bet it works.

we350z 01-14-2018 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott ZHP (Post 1126339)
Just ordered a URO "Premium" regulator. It has ball bearings in the cable guides instead of a bushing. Plan is to lubricate this with Triflow. I think lithium grease is a good idea, but it's too thick for use in northern climates (it's about 10F outside now) where it will harden over time.

I normally steer clear of URO stuff, but the video on Rockauto was pretty convincing.

Hmm I was specifically looking for a ball bearing model when bought the replacement a year or so ago couldn't find one. Wish I had gotten that instead :(. Triflow Teflon spray lube is good shit my locksmith introduced me to it. I use it in all my locksmith and latches now. Slippery as a politician!

we350z 01-14-2018 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by crystalworks (Post 1126343)
3rd regulator on the same door? How long have you owned your X?

Also, curious, do you open/close your doors with the windows down? I've read that does/might cause extra stress on the regulators? Never experienced a re-failure myself, but thought I would ask.

Going on 11 years. I'm to the point I don't open the windows unless it's absolutely necessary lol. No I don't closer the door with them open.

Scott ZHP 01-14-2018 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by we350z (Post 1126360)
Hmm I was specifically looking for a ball bearing model when bought the replacement a year or so ago couldn't find one. Wish I had gotten that instead :(

Here ya go... lifetime warranty; hopefully last one I'll need.

More Information for ÜRO PARTS 51338254911PRM

crystalworks 01-14-2018 04:45 PM

They should give you a commission... I think I'm going to try those on the next window failure as I have not done the rear regulators as of yet.

Are regulators on the e70 a problem area as well?

Scott ZHP 01-14-2018 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by crystalworks (Post 1126364)
They should give you a commission... I think I'm going to try those on the next window failure as I have not done the rear regulators as of yet.

Are regulators on the e70 a problem area as well?

Lol, I actually ordered it from Max at oembimmerparts.com It's a couple of bucks more that rockauto, but if there's ever a problem he will make it right.

My (wife's) E70 is a 2012, bought it CPO in 2015 with 24k miles coming off lease. I haven't touched any of the regulators yet and haven't heard any complaints. I did have the OFHG replaced under CPO warranty, so that issue is still around.

Crowz 01-14-2018 07:58 PM

Seems like I tried those before and they failed but I would be willing to try one again for the heck of it. I'll stock a few and when needed use one of them next time.

80stech 01-14-2018 08:08 PM

Is the bearing even a factor ?

Crowz 01-14-2018 08:58 PM

Wasn't for me that I could tell but Im all for research.

Mine fail from the glass sticking and when it free's up it jumps the cable off the pulleys.

upallnight 01-18-2018 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by we350z (Post 1126361)
Going on 11 years. I'm to the point I don't open the windows unless it's absolutely necessary lol. No I don't closer the door with them open.

Best Pro tip. Only time I use the window is to grab a parking ticket from the vending machine. Otherwise It's the AC when it gets hot.

we350z 01-18-2018 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by upallnight (Post 1126627)
Best Pro tip. Only time I use the window is to grab a parking ticket from the vending machine. Otherwise It's the AC when it gets hot.


Agree. I'll even pull up a little and just open the door lol.

dkl 01-18-2018 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by upallnight (Post 1126627)
Best Pro tip. Only time I use the window is to grab a parking ticket from the vending machine. Otherwise It's the AC when it gets hot.

Ditto. With that said, I'm on my 3rd window regulator on the driver side (2 OE and now Uro Premium - just replaced a year ago), 2nd regulator on the front passenger door (both OE), and original regulators in the rears (I'm the original owner). I will need to do the other 3 doors in the near future as they all make creaking noises everytime it's open. I tried to never open them all the way down to preserve them as long as I can.

crystalworks 01-19-2018 12:50 PM

You guys are hilarious. I worry very little about them and use them just as I would in any other vehicle. They are a service item if original. And if serviced, with the extra precaution mods, shouldn't need tending to again. Regulators are quick and easy, no cause for fret. Now Xover pipes, transmissions, etc. Those I sometimes worry about lol.

HotWheelsRedline 01-19-2018 05:51 PM

My right rear regulator failed last spring -- first one in 12-yr old vehicle. My theory is just the opposite: if they're used regularly, better chance the cable/pulleys don't get "stoved-up." The left rear one on my M3 was the first (and only, knock on wood) to break -- so same reasoning: those are the least-used regulators. In both cases, it was the cable wheels/guides made of PLASTIC that got brittle and broke, so it's a losing battle when they're built to fail.

deepblonde 01-21-2018 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by crystalworks (Post 1126694)
You guys are hilarious. I worry very little about them and use them just as I would in any other vehicle. They are a service item if original. And if serviced, with the extra precaution mods, shouldn't need tending to again. Regulators are quick and easy, no cause for fret. Now Xover pipes, transmissions, etc. Those I sometimes worry about lol.

I agree.
In the last week I've been traveling where it's over 100 degrees everyday,
and one day was a 115-
as soon as I jump in ,
all four windows go straight down to let some heat escape,
I never give a thought to regulators breaking!
:whew::

crystalworks 01-21-2018 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by deepblonde (Post 1126831)
I agree.
In the last week I've been traveling where it's over 100 degrees everyday,
and one day was a 115-
as soon as I jump in ,
all four windows go straight down to let some heat escape,
I never give a thought to regulators breaking!
:whew::

I don't even bother to get in... ;) I just remotely open all the windows and crack the pano roof with the unlock button on the key. We also very routinely hit 100+ in the summer. Actually, we only have 2 seasons here; summer, and January.


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