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Maruzo 09-22-2018 02:01 AM

Rearview Camera for E53 with OEM Navigation
 
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Hi all, does anyone know what this looped white cable is used for from the product photo?

Crowz 09-22-2018 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Maruzo (Post 1142322)
Hi all, does anyone know what this looped white cable is used for from the product photo?

On the ones I have bought like that it disables the grid that shows on the screen aka distance lines when you cut it.

It should say what it does in the instructions.

mr_robot 09-22-2018 09:47 AM

Where did you find this? Is this plug and play for the oem mk4 navi?


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Maruzo 09-22-2018 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mr_robot (Post 1142344)
Where did you find this? Is this plug and play for the oem mk4 navi?


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Here's the ebay link for the camera: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Reverse-Bac...72.m2749.l2649

It should work since it looks almost identical to my first camera, which is also sourced on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Car-Camera-...72.m2749.l2649

The problem is, after connecting it, the screen just flickers like it has received a bad signal. The camera's image can barely be seen through the flickering images, so I know it's connected, but i don't know where i've done wrong!

Maruzo 09-22-2018 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Crowz (Post 1142327)
On the ones I have bought like that it disables the grid that shows on the screen aka distance lines when you cut it.

It should say what it does in the instructions.

Thanks Crowz, that helps a lot!

I'm trying to troubleshoot and figure out where i've gone wrong, or if I simply purchased a defective unit.

The camera is flickering images when i'm on reverse. The nav screen flickers and the backup image can barely be seen through the flickers.

I connected the camera using the following items:

wpoll 09-22-2018 02:25 PM

I cannot see any power return for the camera power anywhere. The red and black wires (+12v and gnd) for the camera appear to only connect to the camera decoder (whatever that is - a switch?) but there is only a single wire feeding the decoder...

If you get any signal from the camera the power return must be coming from the video cable and this could make for a very unstable picture.

Did the decoder come with the camera or did you buy it separately?

Try connecting the black wire from the camera to a ground screw somewhere and see if the image improves.

wpoll 09-22-2018 02:33 PM

Looking at this further, you must have run another pair or wires to the reverse light as well, which aren't shown on any of your images above, right? This is the source of power and return and it powers the camera AND the decoder? So the decoder needs power FROM the camera, not feeding power TO it...

Makes more sense... but doesn't explain your bad video..

I guess check your connections?

4.8isguy 09-22-2018 06:22 PM

I had similar image on my backup camera using navicks module. Ended up needing a resistor.

wpoll 09-22-2018 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.8isguy (Post 1142375)
I had similar image on my backup camera using navicks module. Ended up needing a resistor.

That's because the 4.8iS uses PWM on the lighting circuits and you need to "rectify" the pulses to obtain a smooth DC power line. The earlier cars don't use PWM, so this doesn't apply.

Maruzo 09-22-2018 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wpoll (Post 1142365)
I cannot see any power return for the camera power anywhere. The red and black wires (+12v and gnd) for the camera appear to only connect to the camera decoder (whatever that is - a switch?) but there is only a single wire feeding the decoder...

If you get any signal from the camera the power return must be coming from the video cable and this could make for a very unstable picture.

Did the decoder come with the camera or did you buy it separately?

Try connecting the black wire from the camera to a ground screw somewhere and see if the image improves.

Hi Wpoll,

Camera has a video cable and a power cable. The video cable has an additional wire besides the video feed. The power cable has + and - wire.

The way I wired the first camera was this:

video cable connects between the camera's video out to the cam video in on the av harness I purchased (see picture I posted earlier)

For the power cable, the positive wire is connected to the 12v wires from both sides of the backup light, as well as to the 12v on the switch box. The negative is connected to the negative from the switch box.

That's pretty much it. The camera works but due to a defect on the lens (mostly my doing), the image aren't sharp. So I purchased another thinking the wiring should be the same.

Anyway, that's where I'm at. I'll report back once I re-wire everything one more time to make sure I didn't miss anything.

wpoll 09-22-2018 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Maruzo (Post 1142383)
Hi Wpoll,

Camera has a video cable and a power cable. The video cable has an additional wire besides the video feed. The power cable has + and - wire.

The way I wired the first camera was this:

video cable connects between the camera's video out to the cam video in on the av harness I purchased (see picture I posted earlier)

For the power cable, the positive wire is connected to the 12v wires from both sides of the backup light, as well as to the 12v on the switch box. The negative is connected to the negative from the switch box.

That's pretty much it. The camera works but due to a defect on the lens (mostly my doing), the image aren't sharp. So I purchased another thinking the wiring should be the same.

Anyway, that's where I'm at. I'll report back once I re-wire everything one more time to make sure I didn't miss anything.

The polarity of the wires on the reversing lights matters...

If you have connected to the left reversing light, then the red wire from the camera AND the red wire from the decoder need to connect to the White/Yellow wire on the reversing lamp. The black wire from the camera AND the black wire from the decoder need to connect to the Brown wire on the reversing lamp.

If you have connected to the right reversing light, then the red wire from the camera AND the red wire from the decoder need to connect to the Blue/Yellow wire on the reversing lamp. The black wire from the camera AND the black wire from the decoder need to connect tot the Brown wire on the reversing lamp.

Should work fine with a connection the either reversing lamp - just pick one. Or you could power the camera off one lamp and the decoder off the other, just to split the electrical load up.

Crowz 09-22-2018 11:37 PM

Flickering and flashing can be caused by two things that come to mind.

One the Hz is wrong. American and European video signals are not the same.

Second is from something I remember reading on the forums a long time ago. It had to do with powering the camera off the rear lights. It was either the source itself or the computer doing the bulb check it does that was causing the video signal to go nuts. IF that's the problem you can diagnose it by providing a clean 12v power source like connecting to the battery itself long enough to see if the problem goes away.

Maruzo 09-23-2018 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by wpoll (Post 1142388)
The polarity of the wires on the reversing lights matters...

If you have connected to the left reversing light, then the red wire from the camera AND the red wire from the decoder need to connect to the White/Yellow wire on the reversing lamp. The black wire from the camera AND the black wire from the decoder need to connect to the Brown wire on the reversing lamp.

If you have connected to the right reversing light, then the red wire from the camera AND the red wire from the decoder need to connect to the Blue/Yellow wire on the reversing lamp. The black wire from the camera AND the black wire from the decoder need to connect tot the Brown wire on the reversing lamp.

Should work fine with a connection the either reversing lamp - just pick one. Or you could power the camera off one lamp and the decoder off the other, just to split the electrical load up.

Hi wpoll,

Thank you for your instructions. I finally got it wired correctly. Or correctly in my case.

I have to wire both left and right backup light + to the 12v wire from the camera and also from the switch box.

What I did wrong was connecting the - wire from the switch box directly to the - wire from the camera power cable.

I sourced a fresh - from an exposed bolt on the bottom of the trunk and wired it to the - from the switch box and - from the power cable.

Once I did this the image came on instantly.

The only thing now is I do not have the parking lines. Do I need to cut the looped white wire built in on the camera cable?

Maruzo 09-23-2018 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Crowz (Post 1142392)
Flickering and flashing can be caused by two things that come to mind.

One the Hz is wrong. American and European video signals are not the same.

Second is from something I remember reading on the forums a long time ago. It had to do with powering the camera off the rear lights. It was either the source itself or the computer doing the bulb check it does that was causing the video signal to go nuts. IF that's the problem you can diagnose it by providing a clean 12v power source like connecting to the battery itself long enough to see if the problem goes away.

Hi Crowz,

My issue is most likely of a different source. I did not wire a negative source to the negative on the switch box and the negative on the camera's power cable.

Strang thing was, I wired it this way on my first camera, and the image came on just fine!

wpoll 09-23-2018 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Maruzo (Post 1142406)
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The only thing now is I do not have the parking lines. Do I need to cut the looped white wire built in on the camera cable?

Not sure on your camera - cut it and see! You can always twist it back together if it does something else. ;)

Glad it's going, btw... :thumbup:

Maruzo 09-23-2018 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by wpoll (Post 1142408)
Not sure on your camera - cut it and see! You can always twist it back together if it does something else. ;)

Glad it's going, btw... :thumbup:

Thank you for your tip on the wires. Wpoll!

I've been driving the X5 today and enjoying the clear backup image. Not as sharp as my wife's R350 camera, but good enough to make out the obstacles!

I'll probably cut the loop wire next week and see what that does.

On a side note, I took out the bulb inside the right license plate light holder and soldered the + and - of the camera's led light to the + and - of the bulb holder.

This allows the camera's led to light up when the plate light is turned on. But I am now getting a license plate light error.

Any idea what could have caused this error?

wpoll 09-24-2018 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Maruzo (Post 1142453)
... On a side note, I took out the bulb inside the right license plate light holder and soldered the + and - of the camera's led light to the + and - of the bulb holder.

This allows the camera's led to light up when the plate light is turned on. But I am now getting a license plate light error.

Any idea what could have caused this error?

The extra electrical load of the camera LED power circuit is probably causing the lamp monitoring to trigger and error. There's a couple of ways to address this; either code out the lamp monitoring or use an electronic circuit (a high impedance voltage detector driving an electronic switch or relay to power the camera) to isolate the load.

Probably easier to code out the lamp monitoring....

amancuso 09-24-2018 06:18 AM

How much did the all the components end up costing you?

Maruzo 09-24-2018 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wpoll (Post 1142461)
The extra electrical load of the camera LED power circuit is probably causing the lamp monitoring to trigger and error. There's a couple of ways to address this; either code out the lamp monitoring or use an electronic circuit (a high impedance voltage detector driving an electronic switch or relay to power the camera) to isolate the load.

Probably easier to code out the lamp monitoring....

How do you code out the lamp monitoring? I have the BMW 1.4 scanner tool from amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Scan-Diagnost...8-6&ref=sr_1_6

Works fine with the software that came with it. But my windows xp notebook crashed and i lost the software.

Any recommendations on a good software to run the coding?

Overboost 09-24-2018 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Maruzo (Post 1142487)
How do you code out the lamp monitoring? I have the BMW 1.4 scanner tool from amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Scan-Diagnost...8-6&ref=sr_1_6

Works fine with the software that came with it. But my windows xp notebook crashed and i lost the software.

Any recommendations on a good software to run the coding?

BMW Scanner 1.4 will work on any Windows OS from XP up. Just get the proper drivers for Win 7 and up. As far as the cold/hot monitoring, here is a screen shot of the check boxes to clear.

http://i.imgur.com/C2YDFvx.jpg

amancuso 09-24-2018 04:25 PM

Was this an expensive upgrade? Would love to do this to my X.


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Maruzo 09-25-2018 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Overboost (Post 1142516)
BMW Scanner 1.4 will work on any Windows OS from XP up. Just get the proper drivers for Win 7 and up. As far as the cold/hot monitoring, here is a screen shot of the check boxes to clear.

http://i.imgur.com/C2YDFvx.jpg

Hi Overboost,

Thank you for the detailed settings! Which software is this one?

Maruzo 09-25-2018 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by amancuso (Post 1142542)
Was this an expensive upgrade? Would love to do this to my X.


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Hi Amancuso,

That depends on whether you want to connect to the oem nav screen via the oem tv module or not.

If you do, then you need to buy 1 oem tv module (around 100), 1 oem tv retrofit cable (135 fm ebay), 1 av input output loom for the camera's video connection(48 fm aliexpress), 1 tv output loom with green wire for the backup camera switch and a yellow wire for the tv function control using the nav buttons (this loom came with digital tuner, so no idea how much by itself), finally the ccd camera itself (between 25 to 40 on ebay)

You add all that up and it's around $323 before the digital tv tuner kit, which is around 130.

Total in parts including the tv tuner is around 450

I'm sure there're are cheaper ways, but you'll have to mix and match those parts and make sure it works for you.

Right now my backup camera works great, tv works as well, but i'm still trying to figure out how to get the audio working.

Good luck!

amancuso 09-25-2018 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Maruzo (Post 1142581)
Hi Amancuso,



That depends on whether you want to connect to the oem nav screen via the oem tv module or not.



If you do, then you need to buy 1 oem tv module (around 100), 1 oem tv retrofit cable (135 fm ebay), 1 av input output loom for the camera's video connection(48 fm aliexpress), 1 tv output loom with green wire for the backup camera switch and a yellow wire for the tv function control using the nav buttons (this loom came with digital tuner, so no idea how much by itself), finally the ccd camera itself (between 25 to 40 on ebay)



You add all that up and it's around $323 before the digital tv tuner kit, which is around 130.



Total in parts including the tv tuner is around 450



I'm sure there're are cheaper ways, but you'll have to mix and match those parts and make sure it works for you.



Right now my backup camera works great, tv works as well, but i'm still trying to figure out how to get the audio working.



Good luck!



Thanks for that. I’ll consider it for next year. Maybe slowly get the parts one at a time.


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Overboost 09-25-2018 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Maruzo (Post 1142580)
Hi Overboost,

Thank you for the detailed settings! Which software is this one?

That's BMW Scanner 1.4 Maruzo. A really good tool. It is my first "go-to" whenever I connect to my E53 or E46. Software and cable is around $15 on eBay or Amazon, just need the laptop. :thumbup:

mr_robot 09-28-2018 01:02 PM

So this camera direct fit to the stock license plate lights location? I read some don't actually fit the E53

Maruzo 09-28-2018 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mr_robot (Post 1142903)
So this camera direct fit to the stock license plate lights location? I read some don't actually fit the E53

The outer frame fits into the space, but there're inner modular frames that protects the camera unit itself that gets in the way. You need to file off the modular frame, which is a pita to do, but once you do that then the whole unit goes in.

It's a pretty snug fit. A little silicon sealant will help seal and secure the fitting.

Maruzo 09-29-2018 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Maruzo (Post 1142580)
Hi Overboost,

Thank you for the detailed settings! Which software is this one?

Hi Overboost,

Thank you for the coding help. I took off the check mark next to the license plate lights and the error went away!

Can I also use the 1.4 software to code the door lock so when I unlock using the remote, I only need to press once to unlock all 4 doors + trunk?

Overboost 09-29-2018 09:21 PM

Yes sir. Just go to your ZKE (GM3) settings and deselect selective locking. It is key dependant so unless you know which key you are using, just deselect them all. :thumbup:

http://images55.fotki.com/v608/photo...3coding-vi.png

Maruzo 09-30-2018 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Overboost (Post 1142981)
Yes sir. Just go to your ZKE (GM3) settings and deselect selective locking. It is key dependant so unless you know which key you are using, just deselect them all. :thumbup:

http://images55.fotki.com/v608/photo...3coding-vi.png

Awesome. Can't wait to try it tomorrow!

Thank you!! :)

Maruzo 10-01-2018 03:40 PM

Worked like a treat. Now one click unlocks all doors!

Thanks Overboost!

By the way, is there a similar coding for removing the annoying chime when your driver door's open and the key is in ignition?

A lot of times we need ignition power while working on the car. It's such a hassle to have to endure that noise all day long!

Overboost 10-01-2018 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Maruzo (Post 1143087)
Worked like a treat. Now one click unlocks all doors!

Thanks Overboost!

By the way, is there a similar coding for removing the annoying chime when your driver door's open and the key is in ignition?

A lot of times we need ignition power while working on the car. It's such a hassle to have to endure that noise all day long!

Yes sir. Go to the IKE (Cluster) settings. Deselect key in lock warning under acoustic warnings. You will hear some clicking and may need to reset the clock when you program the cluster.

http://blog.obdexpress.co.uk/wp-cont...40-win7-11.jpg

Maruzo 10-01-2018 04:11 PM

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Hi Overboost,

Thank you for the instructions. Unfortunately, my model doesn't have the "acoustic warning" options under IKE coding.

Could this be a 04~06 E53 model only functionality?

Mine is 03 4.6is.

Still very stoked that I can unlock all doors so it's a very good day!

Overboost 10-01-2018 04:38 PM

It doesn't look like you have the option in your software. Can you tell me the version number in the software you are using? 1.4.0.7?

Overboost 10-01-2018 04:48 PM

This may need to be done with NCS Expert if the BMW Scanner 1.4 software will not do it on yours. I know it can be accomplished as Euro spec cars do not have that chime. The line in the KMB coding in NCS Expert is:
gong off for seat belt (warning is still in the cluster) - GURTWARNUNG_GONG - nicht_activ

Maruzo 10-01-2018 05:21 PM

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Here's the version of the software:

I will try ncs experts and see.

Thank you!


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