How Long are You Planning to Keep These Cars?
 

So, what's the general consensus for how long to keep the E53. Right now, it's a 13 -20 year old car and I've seen quite a lot of them still driving. How much longer do you think you are going to keep yours?

I’m on like 10 years and just under 115k miles, I’m aiming for at least twice that before I retire mine [emoji106]

Heck, I’m looking at another 2002 4.4i to add now!

I chose 1 to 2 years in the poll but I said that in 2014 too :rofl:

I bought mine 3 yrs ago, it had 94k miles, dealer maintained with records, and was in pristine shape. It is a 2003 with the 5 speed manual.



These cars make a really good value proposition for someone who can actually work on them. I paid 6300. See what kind of 4runner or 4-door Taco you can buy for 6300. You're gonna be looking at a 96-99 with over 200k miles. I tow a camper with mine and it's a better tow vehicle than the 2000 Tahoe I was using before (and way nicer, better on gas, and actually fun to drive).



3 years later, I think this was one of my best car decisions ever. It hasn't really had that many problems, and preventative maintenance has given me an excuse to spend time in the garage, but on my own terms.


I'd like to keep mine for 5 more years, but mostly because there are basically no tow vehicles that I would rather drive. I'd rather buy an RV than tow my camper with a boring autotragic soccer mom SUV. At least then I wouldn't have to drive an appliance every day.

Mine is 2006 X5 6spMT with 130K and Bavarien E39 CCV Mod.

I usually keep cars until 180K-200K range then sell it, simply b/c too many issues at that mileage.

I’ve had my 2005 4.4 for 11 years. It’s now at 140k miles. I’m curious if it can hit 1,000,000 miles :D So we’ll see;)

I still have my 99 E46 with over 250k mi., so I guess I'm not afraid to keep 'em going beyond 200k. I'll probably do the same with this one, and I don't drive a lot each year, so it could take me a lot of years to get there from my current 127k. Heck, I would have kept driving my E46, but I just felt the E53 would better match my current needs from a vehicle (towing and AWD mainly). If the paint/appearance deteriorates, I may unload it sooner, but it still looks good right now.

AM.

Bought my first at 128k miles and second at 110. My goal is to double the miles on each

Well Im on X5 #3 now so I guess forever is how long I'll keep them. Im bad about buying cars and never selling them.

Now that said 3 is the limit on the X5's probably. If we get another one it will be an X7.

Crowz, I only want to know the secret you are using to get so many cars. I can't even sneak one extra gun into the house without the wife noticing, let alone something the size of a car..[emoji38]

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Holy **** isn't that the truth! :bustingup Tell us your secrets sensei :D

The plan is to keep it indefinitely — learn it inside and out. Appreciate the quirks for what it is. Be able to recognize when you’re in over your head and replace it accordingly. But thankfully with the guys here, we’re never in too bad of shape. Exceptions applying of course.

Well the wife, family and our friends all say I have an addiction problem with vehicles and need an intervention at times.

I'm much better now though !

I owned over 200 at one time and I'm down to 20 something these days :)

I see...

So all I have to do is buy another belt fed and a couple of cheap ones and get rid of the cheap ones...

Where is the evil laugh emoji when I need it?!? [emoji38]

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Bought my 02 for the wife just over a year ago with about 70 k miles on it from the original owner.I'm up for retirement in about a year and hope that it will at least last until then.Likely be down to one vehicle at that point(MY 15 Hemi Ram CC 4X4).

Goal is 250k miles, or until kid #2 is out of college in a few years, whichever comes first. Ordered it/bought it new in 01.

I like your thinking EODguy. I would happily dump a couple of AR's for a M134D. :D

I just got Sig 553 and two cans....

Maybe she won't notice?

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With gun stuff in the news these days I will stick with I lost them all years ago in a freak boating accident :)

I USED to have a nice collection....

One of the favorites WAS a mega star .45 and a desert eagle with the multi cal kit.

Mine WAS mostly handguns with around 10 or so. Not much in the long barrel section.

AE are incredible. 41 /45 would be my pick but sure fun to play with somebody else's 50. Carts the size of a AA battery just too big to fit up through my hand


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I have 13 years and 231,000 miles on the clock. Want to see if I can get it to 300,000. We'll see what I do when I get there. Won't be too long, she's my daily driver, and I drive a lot!

Coming up on 4 years and 30,000 miles on the 4.8is and the honeyglow has not worn off yet. Driven her much less the last two years but still love to see her clean in the garage take her out every so often. Only 2 vehicles in the fleet right now so will probably start putting on more miles again. Planning on keeping this one until it is worth original MSRP again (HAH!!!). So basically forever.

It's good to have small hands, because it makes things seem bigger.

Besides... I'm HUGE in Asia[emoji38]

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Ordered and bought mine new in 2001, 186k miles now, really see no reason to ever sell it, unless the tranny fails and I can't get that fixed because of parts availability.

Becoming more of an A to B guy the older I get.

Provided that the body doesn't continue to rust, I'd like to keep my manual X5 for as long as possible.


Maybe in 5 years I might replace my leaky oil pan gasket :S

Indefinitely

Planning to keep mine until it quit running - Just past our 15th anniversary!

I think the real question is if they will become collectible one day...right now the market value on these is hitting rock bottom so it could be time to stock pile them if you had the space...




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If you don't work on them, they become very expensive really fast. I have done a lot of work last year, and now I have a new series of problem to address (radio died, paint is flaking on the hood and roof, Xenon headlight are totally oxidised, etc). It is really hard to justify spending more on the car than it's worth, but I am okay with it for now.



I will most likely keep mine and keep maintaining it slowly over time, but I doubt that it would be my daily driver if I had to drive every day to work.

Our '01 is still running well, though it will need a set of new tires this Summer...
Have had it since new, with ~117 k on it currently.

I voted 1-2 years, but that is dependent on it not going Kaboom anytime soon, and something new not giving me TheJones for a new car.

It remains the 2nd best car I have had in 55+ years of lots of cars, so I may keep it longer than my predicted demise time.
GL, mD

That is indeed a powerful statement. Great to hear your thoughts, sir :thumbup:

Now I’m dying to know what the 1st one was?? [emoji16]

Until the wheels fall off. But then I'll probably put them back, fix the body damage, and carry on.


But if there's terminal rot, it's OUT!

Totes +1 :popcorn:

Not that difficult for me to justify, really. Even if I had to spend $2k per year in maintenance (rarely the case, BTW), I'm still ahead of a new car payment. Besides, I don't plan on selling it anytime soon, so who cares what it's really worth.

I'm of the same mind. Some years I spend a few hundred and others a few thousand (doing work myself). But to buy a used luxury X5 (or other brand luxury SUV) with a warranty would cost $6000-9000 a year.

The payback from owning these cars (and especially working on them yourself) comes during ownership, not necessarily at resale like it does on Toyota, Lexus, etc vehicles.

+1

I've been driving and wrenching on my X since about 2016. Even with costs for full suspension refresh, brakes and CCV and a variety of other repairs, I couldn't be driving a BMW. It's in good shape and I keep making it a little better as time goes by. No it doesn't have all the modern bells and whistles, but I'll get close soon when I replace the head unit.

I bought my 2004 3.0d almost 4 years ago with 160,000kms. It is now at 312,000 and I hope to keep it till I retire in 6 years time. (500,000+kms?)

No idea what I'll replace it with as I don't like the idea of no dipstick or temp gauge as on the E70's onwards.
The X5 is my 5th BMW and I have been a die hard Bimmer man but that may end after this one.

Till I can't buy parts for it anymore

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Totally hear you on the newer BMWs. That is why our X5 and M Coupe may very well be our last BMWs. We have already moved onto an Audi S3 for my wife instead of a 3'er for 2 main reasons - Dipstick and a Spare Tire.

I think no-dipstick is just a matter of getting used to it. My E92 2007 335i has no dipstick and over the years I've come to trust the computer oil level indicator. It's very accurate and reliable. So is the one on my F86 X6M.

I maintain a 2008 328xi and being able to check the oil level from the driver's seat is an improvement over the dip stick, and the X5 doesn't have a temp gauge either it is 3 position idiot light that looks like a gauge. There are plenty of reasons to not like the F15 or even the E70. Those aren't valid ones.

When's the last time you drove your car until warm then stopped on level ground then waited five minutes before checking your dipstick? Not 1% of people ever did this so 99% or BMW drivers never checked their oil level properly so they designed the new cars to do it correctly.

The temp thing is annoying but I've driven the car above when the water pump failed and it gives you a proper warning if the temp gets in the yellow and kicks into low power mode if you get to red zone temp. Unlike a gauge you could miss or ignore you can't ignore the car shutting of 90-95% of it's power.


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One thing I do to keep costs in check is to buy all my maintenance items (genuine BMW OEM or aftermarket) from FCPEURO due to their lifetime replacement guarantee, in which you only incur the cost of return shipping when a part needs replacement either due to wear and tear or breakage, no questions asked as long as you bought the part from them. Even oil and brakes are covered. It's as simple as that.:thumbup:

Yes, I do the same. With everything but consumables anyway. Don't want fcp to change the policy. :thumbup:

I agree, although they insist they do cover consumables and will gladly replace them and provide instructions how to send them back, such as engine oil. But I find it a bit too much to send used oil and such back to them.:rofl:

I purchased mine 13 years ago with 53,000 miles on it, but with 358,000 miles rolled over tonight, it's already lasted about 25 years of average annual driving! I spend about $1500 a year on maintenance to keep it safe, reliable and performing like it should. It's less than a new car payment for a vehicle that does everything I want it to do. It is time to get new leather on the driver's seat though.


2002 X5 3.0 358,008 miles (Original transmission and fluid)
2014 428i 67,000 miles


2004 325i sold at 123,600 miles
2001 325i sold at 66,000 miles


1970 Firebird Under restoration (Purchased new by my father and me in 1974)

I hate to say it and I’ll probably be flamed for doing it... but sadly, BMW seems to be moving towards the Millennial and have totally forgotten us folks who don’t mind getting a little grease under their nails ☹️

I was annoyed enough that I didn’t have a trans dipstick, but could overlook it because all in all it’s easy enough to manage, but take my temp gauge and my oil dipstick and I know I’m out...

What’s next, self driving automobiles... LOL [emoji16]

I think it's EASY to justify spending more than it's worth (if you sold it) - if that sum is still less than a better replacement vehicle would cost you. :thumbup:

I consider "than it's worth" to mean it's worth to ME and that's a different number than the open-market resale value.

Our '02 VetteVert, 6 Spd, Z51, bought new 17 years ago.
It is very fast, handles very well, fun to drive/top down, the trunk is enormous for golf and road trips...

Other than tires, front brake pads, a HVAC blower motor and a radiator cap, and oil/trans/diff fluid changes, nothing has broken in 68,000 miles/17 years.

It does 28-30 mpg on highway trips, not that that matters a lot, and is just damn fun in addition to it running better than my Rolex.

But, our ol'X5 has been/is a helluva fine car over the years: it does many things very, very well, tank like but great handling/stopping power, and the maintenance costs have been reasonable/minimal thus far.
GL, mD

Ahhhh, nice! Now I see where you’re going with that [emoji106][emoji106]

Used to have a 79, chocolate brown stingray that I dearly loved... right up to the point that an 18 wheeler ran over the front end of it and exploded all that fiberglass ☹️. I still miss it from time to time even today and that was probably 30 years ago now...

How Long are You Planning to Keep These Cars?
 

Nice #1. My e53 bumped my "nephew" of the 'vette, the z28 Camaro to the #2 favorite spot of my cars and sadly no longer have it's dearly missed.

Until as pointed out above, you spend more on purchase price plus repair than it would cost to get a different better car the X5 will be a better value. I have to smack down on people I'm helping repair their $50-70,000 original price X5 when they start moaning that they've spent $1000-2000 on repair over the first couple years because they bought it with 120-150,000 miles for $3000 and are "shocked" that they have to spend close to what the car is worth to get it fully operational. My response to the comment "I spent $1500 making it whole" is: "and…"?

When I bought my X5 exactly 4 years ago, I paid under $6k at auction, it had 128,000 on it and I had a buffer in my head of "expect to pay $800-1000 on top to replace a timing chain or all the suspension parts". The only repairs or turned out needing was a cam position sensor, HID bulbs (bought some high-rated knock offs for $40 that look like the day I put them in 4 years later), and plug in the low pressure sensor for the AC. In the first 2 years needed to repair disa and replace the thermostat.

Over the first three years with brakes and tires included, I did the math it was about $40/mo for my X5 for parts and wife's has been about double that (she had three to my one wheel bearing and front control arms and CV axles and thrust bushings.

I think if you spend less than $100/mo to maintain ANY X5 you have nothing to complain about at all. That's simply amazing to me. $1200/yr budget yes some years a big repair will kill the whole budget but the next year might be $60 for a thermostat and that's it.

My buddy with the 08 328xi keeps complaining that it costs money to maintain his $40,000 car he bought for $6k and though he prob spent about $1500-1800 on repairs that's about $100/mo and includes a full set of run on flat tires. "First world problems" I guess.

Considering everything I've spent on the truck I'm at $230/mo. But that includes the new wheels, body kit, Xpel, etc. Just maintenance and I'm at $133/mo. You aren't going to touch anything in the luxury department (with a warranty) for $230/mo, let alone $133/mo. I consider the X5 a great value. < Okay, okay, that may be a little far, the straight 6's probably fall into that category. But I do consider even the V8's to be a decent value. Just expect the first year or two you buy them to spend $1000-2000 bringing them back up to "daily" condition.

And there is the rub: at "Market value" the X5 with 120-160,000 miles or more will need $1-2000 but people are oblivious to this and somehow think that a $50-60,000 Luxury car sold for $4000 will be turn key ready to drive 100,000 miles.


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I have replaced so many components on mine that it has become kind of reliable based on that fact. No plans to sell. As other people have noted, it's not the market value of the car that matters, it is the cost to replace it. Part of the equation there is the imputed value of all the repairs you have done, because a lot of E53s have deferred maintenance that detracts from the value. My X5 is virtually the same car as the day I bought it.

If my car were totalled, I would probably look for a used X5 to replace it, but it would be hard to find a car that needs nothing.

Non-Routine Service:
1. 8/17/01 6,657 mi Engine Aux Cooling Fan -- Recall N/C
2. 8/17/01 6,657 mi Thermostat N/C
3. 8/17/01 6,657 mi L Front window regulator N/C
4. 8/17/01 6,657 mi R Cargo Lamp N/C
5. 6/6/02 15,716 mi DME Reprogramming -- Recall N/C
6. 6/6/02 15,716 mi Engine Aux Cooling Fan -- 2nd Recall N/C
7. 6/6/02 15,716 mi Nav Housing Lubed N/C
8. 5/28/03 27,780 mi Front Inner Door Handles N/C
9. 5/28/06 27,780 mi Driver's Door Seal N/C
10. 8/28/03 32,440 mi Driver's Seat Bottom Frame N/C
11. 8/28/03 32,440 mi Nav System Software Overwrite N/C
12. 8/28/03 32,440 mi Rear Washer Jet Hose N/C
13. 9/25/03 33,537 mi Steering Column add'l Rubber Stop added N/C
14. 9/25/03 33,537 mi L Rear Door Sunshade Hangers N/C
15. 9/25/03 33,537 mi Final Stage Unit of Climate Control N/C
16. 1/9/04 37,872 mi R Fog Light & L Turn Signal bulb N/C
17. 10/18/04 46,182 mi Cargo Cover Blind N/C
18. 10/18/04 46,182 mi Instrument Cluster N/C
19. 10/18/04 46,182 mi R Rear Seat Bolster Cover N/C
20. 10/18/04 46,182 mi R A-Pillar Cover N/C
21. 11/10/04 46,916 mi R Headlight Assembly N/C
22. 12/13/04 47,813 mi Center Console Cupholder N/C
23. 1/12/05 49,112 mi Driver's Seat Control Cover N/C
24. 1/12/05 49,112 mi Both Rear Seat Belts N/C
25. 12/12/05 59,515 mi Both Rear Seat Belts 2nd time N/C
26. 12/12/05 59,515 mi R A-Pillar Cover 2nd Time N/C
27. 8/14/06 66,499 mi R Rear Window Regulator
28. 10/8/07 77,785 mi Camshaft Position Sensor
29. 10/8/07 77,785 mi Thermostat
30. 10/8/07 77,785 mi Right Tail Light Assembly
31. 10/8/07 77,785 mi Left Turn Signal Bulb & Socket
32. 10/8/07 77,785 mi Left Outer CV Boot
33. 1/12/08 R Cargo Lamp 2nd time
34. 5/6/08 81,718 mi L Front Window Regulator
35. 5/6/08 81,718 mi L Rear Window Regualtor
36. 5/9/08 Clips for Rear Hatch Seal
37. 9/26/08 86,503 mi Engine Aux Fan (3rd one)
38. 10/1/08 86,756 mi R Outer CV Boot
39. 1/16/09 90,040 mi L Front Lwr Control Arm
40. 1/16/09 90,040 mi Power Steering Suction & Pressure Hoses
41. 4/23/09 92,588 mi Replace Oil Hose to Oil Separator
42. 5/05/09 93,000 mi DIY L Front Door Handle Carrier
43. 7/14/09 95,712 mi Oil Separator
44. 8/29/09 97,500 mi LCD replacement MID
45. 8/29/09 97,500 mi License Plate Holder
46. 9/15/09 98,081 mi Coolant Reservoir and Cap
47. 10/12/09 99,122 mi Rear Main Seal
48. 10/12/09 99,122 mi Torque Convertor Seal
49. 10/12/09 99,122 mi Oil Filter Housing Gasket
50. 10/24/09 PDC covering rear bumper 511 282 683 67
51. 1/18/10 New Rear Wiper
52. 4/27/10 104,734 mi L Front Window Regulator (under warranty)
53. 5/28/10 105,966 mi Valve Cover Gasket
54. 9/14/10 109,352 mi Both Rear Upper Control Arms
55. 9/21/10 109,662 mi L outer CV boot 2nd time
56. 2/1/11 113,518 mi L Tail Light Assembly
57. 2/1/11 113,518 mi Alternator bearing/Drive Belt Tensioner
58. 2/11/11 113,518 mi Hood Shocks
59. 7/8/11 118,500 mi Final Stage Resistor DIY (2nd time)
60. 11/30/11 122, 284 mi Secondary air injection valve
61. 3/26/13 134,244 mi Oil Pan Gasket
62. 3/26/13 134,244 mi R Outer CV Boot (2nd time)
63. 3/26/13 134,244 mi L Front ABS wheel sensor
64. 3/28/13 New Hood Emblem
65. 3/29/13 New mats
66. 5/4/13 135,991 mi New Windshield
67. 10/23/13 140,080 mi Alternator Bearing/Drive Belt Tensioner (2nd time)
68. 3/11/14 143,745 mi A/C Compressor Bearing/Drive Belt Tensioner
69. 6/2/14 146,308 mi New Front Suspension Install
70. 8/25/14 149,661 Hydro-steering Vibration Damper
71. 8/26/14 149,983 mi Inner Manifold Boot
P72. 8/26/14 149,983 mi DISA Valve
73. 10/1/14 151,749 mi Transfer Case and Front Drive Shaft
74. 10/13/15 160,336 mi Both windshield washer pumps (only front broken)
75. 10/13/15 160,336 mi L outer CV boot (3rd time)
76. 2/12/16 163,591 mi Alternator
77. 4/30/16 166,198 mi vertical steering adjustment screw DIY
78. 9/9/16 170,620 mi Aux Fan (4th time)
79. 11/23/16 172,682 mi oil separator (2nd time)
80. 11/23/16 172,682 mi Brake Light Switch
81. 11/23/16 172,682 mi L outer CV Boot (4th time)
82. 8/29/17 176,780 mi Intake Manifold hoses replaced
83. 8/31/17 176,780 mi DME programming updated
84. 11/2/17 Dashboard Blower Motor R/R
85. 4/21/18 180,658 mi passenger mirror replaced
86. 8/6/18 182,596 mi exhaust camshaft position sensor
87. 8/8/18 182,626 mi thermostat, oil level sensor, right outer CV boot (3rd time)
88. 9/28/18 183,584 mi Final Stage Resistor (3rd time)
89. 10/15/18 183,736 mi Valve Cover (Replaced) & Gasket (2nd time), Radiator, Heat Exchanger Bypass Valve
90. 12/14/18 184,508 mi Motor Mounts
91. 3/28/19 186,058 mi Expansion Tank, Radiator Hose Upper, Thermostat, Power Steering Line, Vanos Line.

I like your maintenance style Mark. :thumbup:

And yes, would be impossible for you to find a replacement maintained as yours has been (at least local from a non-enthusiast).

How Long to Keep X5
 

I bought my E53 12/2001. It had 7 miles on it. I drive it every day. As of May 2019 it has 250,000 miles. I will get out of it when I am forced to get out of it. I still love it after all these years!

Love original owner stories!

I like the way you've put it:bustingup I feel the same:D

Great list. Thanks for posting that. Helps non-original owners like me see what to expect.

I notice you're still on your original fuel pump. That is an inevitable failure headed your way. The brushes in the motor in there wear out just like tires do, except you can't see the wear until the post-failure autopsy. My pump ( 16-11-6-755-043 ) failed at 173k miles, luckily it was a hard failure, with no warning, and happened right in front of my house. If you're open to pre-emptive repairs, this would be one to consider.

I’ve owned mine for 8 years and about 75k miles (has about 165k on it now). I was driving it Saturday and was frustrated by an intermittent brake light warning and got thinking I should fix that right, do some paint correction and a good detailing, refinish the wheels and give it a go on BringaTrailer. Wife pretty much said no f’ing way.

Anyone else have a fuel pump fail?

It's a pretty expensive part..... close to $400 plus installation

$193 from FCP. Lifetime warranty too. https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/cop...SABEgL7dPD_BwE

How Long are You Planning to Keep These Cars?
 

You can get the pump only for $160 from Amazon. Bosch part. About the same price for pierburg.

It's a simple install don't pay somebody other than family to do it.

Pump life esitmate is average of 4-5000 hours. Multiply by your average mph to determine an estimated distance to faikure.

My pump failed at 150k on the highway, was really scary.
I had gone even the cheaper way $60 just bare pump from amazon and reused the assembly, replaced with the new pump.. additional 20 mins work.

And keep the better sender unit. The problem is the sender resistor will wear out. I just refurbished my left sender unit. Not sure what is so scary about a car losing power. You have plenty of kinetic energy to go quite a way and get off the road. It's like page two of driver education.


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- Stay away from Delphi (see the link above).

- Stick to Pierburg, go to ebay and search "E53 Pierburg fuel pump", you will find some for sales for about $145.

- Anyway, back to topic, I plan to keep this thing until 200K or so, after 200K, it is too expensive (money/time/effort) as so many things can go wrong after 200K. I am now at 130K...

Nobody gets taught that anymore. When it happens, throw it in neutral to maintain as much momentum as possible, signal to left or right shoulder, and pull over gradually.

I could easily see a well-maintained ($500-$1000/yr average) M54 e53 make 400,000 miles on original engine. N62 e53 could well do it if owner was willing to do some major repairs a couple of times. Actually, same goes for the M62 powered e53 I would think.

How Long are You Planning to Keep These Cars?
 

I absolutely agree. I say all the time it's a bargain to spend $50-100/mo to maintain an incredible X5.

Back to training on driving: I had a tire blow out on a Freeway interchange right at the apex and didn't even raise my pulse. This was less than two years into having my license. Panic is exactly the opposite of helpful.

Regrettably I was forced out of my X5 last week. I learned sooo much from this forum over the years and for that I thank you all! Every DIY I tried I learned right here. I reached an incredible 250,907 miles and owned the car just short of 18 years. I will miss her.

Nice!

My goal is to double the miles from when I bought it. About 256,000 miles. I'm at 178 now so 78,000 to go.


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You've inspired me. Mine had 11k miles. I'll go 20x! :thumbup: 140k now. Maybe 3x? :popcorn:

I'm hoping the M57 engine variants prove as long-lived - so far that seems to be the case - 232,000kms on mine and it's still running like new. I see a few M57s with over 300,000kms on them but they tend to be beaters by that point, due to so much "deferred maint.". :(

We have 265500+km (165000+ miles) on our M57 (2010 x5 35d) so I'm right there hoping along with you. Still runs great but have been getting some recent sporadic errors relating to the SCR tank I believe. If I can't source parts reasonably, I'd hate to delete the ABC systems because I hate the diesel smell, but it is what it is.

My '05 M57TUD30 is pre-DPF and SCR, so none of that to worry about. :thumbup:

And I kinda like the smell of diesel in the mornings... better than petrol fumes from a rich-running (cold) engine... :rofl:

I plan on keeping mine till I'm rich enough to pay someone to tell me what time it is...

As for the smell of diesel? I have a 4.8iS so I've never been behind one....[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

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Only every time you have to stop for gas.... I can get up to 800 miles from a tank! :nanana:

[emoji1787] This being Saudi Arabia it just gets sucked out of the ground as I drive... (I wish)[emoji6]

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Long enough before the bottom fall out on the resale value of these car, which is just about now.

hard to say... I love the drive but I guess it depends on reliability a bit. I know they need to be kept happy but there's an upper limit to what I want to invest :wow: