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andrewwynn 04-27-2019 07:17 PM

@ everybody I took some videos of the hand on knee and one or two control curves. I will upload them to YouTube and share. That trick was the biggest improvement in my driving ever. Steering wheel not moving? Perfect circle every time.

For you mc riders out there; an excellent trick: put some plastic tubing over your brake lever, you can then twist your hand like throttle and the you get about 5-8x the precision : no prob keeping the front wheel right at the maximum power without skidding.

(Your hand becomes an incline plane: you have to twist an inch to move the brake lever 1/8)


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bcredliner 04-27-2019 08:11 PM

All one has to do to drive smoother, If somewhere near the speed limit , is to start focusing farther down the road than you normally do and the furthest point of the inside point of a curve. Increase the distance you look down the road until all steering wheel movement is slow, very smooth, and minimal. As your speed changes adjust how far down the road you need to focus. Racing lines are a whole different discussion.

Oh, there is also a bracelet for carsickness.

andrewwynn 04-27-2019 08:55 PM

Car sick in the back seat?
 
I will add to that: worry me like less about being exactly centerd in the lane. If you picked a curve that touches the fog line and there is a full safety lane, just stay on the smooth course don't correct

I uploaded a video https://youtu.be/hYq493k-zMU

Purplefade 04-27-2019 09:10 PM

My wife always yells at me for that... she is a 90 degree corner person and I am a smooth arch... she says it makes her lean over too far in her seat! I tell her it’s not the arch, it’s the fact that I’m doing it at whatever the posted speed limit is that makes her lean [emoji16]

For the most part I’m a tap the brakes to set the front tires and roll through it driver... it drives her crazy! My youngest daughter (15.5) drives just like me.

andrewwynn 04-27-2019 10:17 PM

You need the active suspension that leans the car.

https://youtu.be/zCdvFbzOFrw

I sooooo badly want this on my next car. I believe X5 has it but don't know what year or if you needed the M.

Wonder if it can be retrofitted..

Tell your wife you need dynamic drive and she won't have the rag doll experience any more.


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crystalworks 04-28-2019 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bcredliner (Post 1161073)
Car sickness is a terrible feeling. Like sea sickness, if the water is flat and the boat is going straight one is less likely to get seasick so some of it could be caused by your X5 or what roads you use.

It is hard for anyone to keep looking at the horizon all the time and once one starts to feel carsick it is hard to get back to normal without an extended pit stop.

As a severe case, as a passenger, if I am not looking to the front I start to become carsick in a minute or two to the point that no matter what I do the initial queasy feeling doesn't go away until I have been out of the car for several hours. I have to prepare for trips. I use the patch. I never leave on an empty stomach, I always take a Diet Coke, Tums and Mentos peppermint candy. Even with the preparation, I still can't look at my phone for more than a few seconds. I can't close my eyes to try to sleep. Riding in the back seat is carsick suicide. Even driving, I have to have cold air blowing on my face and have a diet coke to sip on. Whenever we stop I have to get out and walk around for 10-15 minutes, get back some of my 'land legs'. More frequent stops help. Distractions are worthless, headphones are out of the question.

It's very hard to measure how bad a child feels. I would assume her case is severe and she is not any part of the cause. I would make an appointment with an ear Doc for a checkup and then map out a plan for her. And, as soon as it is possible, let her ride in the front seat. If her case is severe riding in the backseat is never going to work.

That's brutal. My sympathies. Always feel fortunate that I only recently developed a very slight car sickness (headache/nausea but mostly headache) if I try to read. I used to LOVE to read books on road trips. Would do it for 10 hours straight if my Mom was taking us from one of my Dad's stations to her hometown.

Needless to say... I don't read in cars anymore. But at least I can still sleep and check my phone without issue. I feel for those who can't enjoy a good car ride. :(

I paid attention during a few clover leaves over the last few days. Asked my wife to do so as well. Looks like I'm one of the few "good" drivers according to this thread. Only a very few steering inputs. I have in the past has passengers comment on how smooth I drive. It's nice to now know why that is. Apparently everyone else likes to play with the wheel as much as possible.

HAHA, that reminds me. You see people in movies driving moving the wheel from side to side when supposedly going straight. I wonder if that's how that actor ACTUALLY drives!!! :rofl: It always drives me nuts when I see it.

Purplefade 04-28-2019 10:05 AM

Car sick in the back seat?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1161139)
You need the active suspension that leans the car.

https://youtu.be/zCdvFbzOFrw

I sooooo badly want this on my next car. I believe X5 has it but don't know what year or if you needed the M.

Wonder if it can be retrofitted..

Tell your wife you need dynamic drive and she won't have the rag doll experience any more.


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LOL - “Honey, I’ve solved your problem, I’m going to run out and grab a new beemer with dynamic drive! You’ll never complain about my cornering again, you’re welcome” [emoji23][emoji23]

Hmmm, wonder if the 5.0i’s have it? I have really been wanting a garage queen that I could just play with... but I’m afraid I’m going to have to wait on a few kids to graduate first ☹️

Retrofit is interesting though! You’ve been an exceptional pioneer of new process and technology in the past, keep me posted if you figure something out [emoji106][emoji16]. I’m half way there, air bags in the rear... but that said, I’ve been eying a set of adjustable coilovers, I think when my bags take a dump that I’m going to go springs all the way around - which I hope isn’t anytime soon.

andrewwynn 04-28-2019 03:08 PM

Car sick in the back seat?
 
The dynamic drive doesn't use the air suspension it just adds a linear motor into the sway bar (note I didn't say anti sway) and it pushes and pulls on the sway bar to sway the car.

There has to be some interesting geomotery to get left/right to be a roll maneuver.

Oh duh maybe it just twists the sway bar

Purplefade 04-28-2019 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1161166)

There has to be some interesting geomotery to get left/right to be a roll maneuver.



And some serious torsion on that bar! Imagine the usual lean of the car being “resisted” by that linear motor, that has to be some hefty force being applied.

Totally makes sense now that I think about it, air would just be too slow to respond... unless it was a huge sweeping corner or you had some kind of massive quick release air storage system... which would be hugely impractical...

andrewwynn 04-28-2019 03:25 PM

Some early active suspension did use bags. They learned it was not responsive enough. They did a combination of air bag plus locking shocks. Same car would lock the shocks when people got in and out (no more door stuck in the grass past the curb).


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