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Most mechanics and service advisors don't even know this, but any time a seal is replaced on a rotating shaft on a used engine, it will never work to do its job sealing unless the shaft surface has been re-surfaced to its original, like new diameter with a repair sleeve. There are no exceptions to this rule.
Some people say, just treat the surface with some light sand paper and that's all incorrect. A diagnostic step that should be performed is installing a water-manometer to the oil dipstick and determine if blow-by pressure inside the crank case is above factory specification, and if it is, installing a replacement seal and sleeve won't work either as crankcase pressure is working against the sealing surfaces. There is a cost-benefit comparison to be performed to replace a leaking rear main, and all low cost alternatives should be explored and tested. In the hydraulic rebuilding industry, any time a cylinder rebuild is performed the cylinder will be re-chromed along with a full seal kit installed. Only installing new seals will never last passed the warranty period. Here's what I do when I see a leaking rear main; Add AT-205 re-seal to the engine oil. Add AT-205 into a spray bottle, soak down in between the engine and transmission so the product can contact the outside of the seal face. When I 'am in there' on a used engine doing a clutch job with the transmission removed, I clean the rear main seal with brake clean, and then give a liberal application to the seal with the spray container of AT-205, paired with adding into the engine oil. |
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I have ordered these before when repairing old fork-lift truck seals where there are no parts availability. Once you replace the seal and repair sleeve at the same time, and the crank case pressure is not over the limit, there will be no leaks. be sure to follow correct procedure such as use assembly grease on the parts. |
Glad I've been real lucky then as I change them anytime I do a clutch or engineer/trans separation. No issues with continued leaking... Yet. *Fingers crossed*
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As well, if the seal is not currently leaking and a new one was to be installed as preventative 'while you are in there' maintenance, there is less a chance, but then you can restore the rubber with a conditioner added into the oil or sprayed on the outside, so then there's more of a diminishing return to re and the rear main, and risk a bad seal alignment or damaging the shaft surface. How do you measure the drip rate ? I had a very picky customer complain of a single drip of oil per night when the equipment was parked. Used a white oil absorbent pad, and idled the engine and measured one to two drop per hour. The rear main seal had been replaced almost a year ago, by another mechanic in my shop, using OEM parts and factory manual procedures and tools. Deciding what is a reasonable rate of oil drip vs the cost to re and re and warranty your shop work. Especially a 30 hour job. |
I'm curious, are you doing this with a full lift system or jack stands on your back? This job requires a complete disassembly of the drive train? Trans removal? Front subframe removal to get to the oilpan n rear seal?
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From memory for the rms and oil pan: 1) mufflers come off 2) center exhaust comes off 3) heat shields come off 4) F & R driveshafts come off 6) trans comes out 7) clutch & flywheel comes off now you have access to the rear main seal keep going for the oil pan... 8) stiffening plate comes off 9) front axles comes off 10) front sway bar comes off 11) front subframe comes off (I left the ps rack attached and disconnected hoses) 12) front diff comes off 13) dipstick and tube comes off 14) ps pump comes off (unbolted and pushed aside if you're not changing hoses) now you can drop the oil pan |
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In a pressurized hydraulic system, you're talking about a completely different animal where the forces can be quite staggering. Yes, those seals and their mating surfaces need to be perfect. |
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A harbor-freight transmission trolly jack is a huge help in this job. well worth the price.. I take the exhaust off in one piece at the down-pipe.. I support it at muffler and lower it carefully..It's heavy. I don't always remove driveshaft. You can sometimes disconnect just the front end and center support and move it out of way. Try that first. Get the correct e-torx sockets (E10,E12, & E14) to remove bell-housing bolts and make sure each one sits square before loosening. Attack as many bolts from top of engine as you can. They all strip very easily. An E-12/E14 (10-12 inch long) combo box wrench is a also a good tool to have. |
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