Pre-Facelift to Facelift- Various Retrofits?
 

Hi,



I managed to find a parts 4.6is with the bumper and arches. I want to install them on my facelift 2004 3.0i. I've heard that the bumpers are exactly the same in the rear for pre-facelift and facelift. Is this true? Also trying to get the wheel arches. Based on pictures it seems like the rear "is" arches are the same, but I can't tell on the front arches. Is there a difference in facelift vs pre-facelift front "is" arches? Also does $500 sound like a decent price for the rear bumper and arches? Sounds like a lot to me but there aren't many other prices to compare to. If only it was a 4.8 I would have taken the front bumper too.


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Len

I suggest you speak with CrystalWork via PMs and be prepared to become a convert to Aero Kits[emoji1787] but he is the arch expert at this point.

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Thanks lol. I sent a PM. Not sure if you've had any experience with this but does $500 sound like a decent price for an OEM bodykit? It's pretty faded from the car sitting outside but I can't really find any others for sale.

Answered your pm.

If $500 includes the entire body kit that's a smoking deal. Even if needing paint.

Got lucky it's the same color as my car! Seller says no scratches but I don't trust that since it's sitting in a gravel lot full of other parts cars lol. I'm thinking of getting a few other parts since my car is a base model. Maybe rear footwell lights and if the seller will let me take off the illuminated door handles. Also thinking of a PDC retrofit but I can't use the front bumper since I have a facelift 3.0. Found some good threads about this on here. Anyone know if the 4.6 PDC will work on the 3.0 facelift? parts car is an '03 and mine is an '04

Score. Unfortunate about the front being pre-lci. Sell that and then buy an lci front end.

You'd have to see if the PDC harness was "pre-wired" by BMW on your model. You'd need the PDC module, sensors, and of course the front and rear bumper harnesses. Question is if your body harness has the prewired plugs to accept the front/rear bumper harnesses. If not, adding PDC will be a much bigger challenge.

Thanks for the info. I'm hoping my car is prewired. If it's not I'll just leave the sensors in the bumper and not use them lol. Is there a good way to check if it's prewired? I think I found another thread talking about it but not sure where to look on my car for the harness. Not ready to take the bumper off until I have the other one. Luckily the seller isn't making me buy everything together as a kit so I'm not getting the front bumper. Already have this (not my car, pic from another xoutpost thread by Clockwork)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c3ffac262c.jpg

I can't find an lci 4.8 bumper anywhere so far so I think I'll stick with just this skid plate and maybe black grilles. Also I don't have headlight washers so that makes the search harder.



I think I'll just pick up the PDC module and only rear sensors. To get the fronts I'll have to get the seller to remove the front bumper. Anyone know the location of the gong and the module?


Also I want to get the illuminated door handles from the car but don't want to swap door panels. Is there a way to pull out the handles without taking the panels off?


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The front harness would be located on the right side of the vehicle. Around the edge of the bumper support but it would be much easier to look for the rear module harness. That should be in the battery/electronics tray.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...p-MuUr6b4fK_Ww

https://xoutpost.com/attachments/x5-...odule-aux2.jpg

Nope. :rolleyes:

Thanks for the picture. So I should see those 3 wires going into the module in the yellow box just hanging there, correct?


EDIT: Just took out the spare wheel and cover and found the 3 connectors zip tied up! Also found a 4th connector farther up the harness. Any idea what that is for?


EDIT 2 lol: Just realized it's probably for the TV module.

Also are there any other parts I need to go with the system? I heard I also need the gong. I saw on other threads that it's under the dash but not sure if they are talking about the PDC gong or the normal gong. Or am I confused and the current gong in my car can be used for PDC?


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Here's the BMW PDC retro-fit instructions - they might clear up a few of your questions...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uh3fs3sivb...07032.pdf?dl=1

Thanks, that will help me a lot when I install it. Last thing I'm a bit confused about- based on some other old threads I found it seems like the facelift cars had a different PDC setup. My car is from 07/04 and the retrofit guide you posted says something about cars after 04/04 being different? I also saw something about front corner sensors being different on the facelift?



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On pre-facelift all front sensors are the same with straight connector. On facelift the front corner sensors have 90 deg. angled connector. As the location of front sensors is slightly different on these models it affects how the PDC module is coded regarding sensor sensitivity to distance.

Yeah, what Clavurion said..! :D

I don't think there is much in the way of retro-fit instructions for the face lift cars - they pretty much all came with PDC standard ( I thought)....

Most of them with any options at all probably have PDC but my car and many I've seen for sale seem to come with this base package. I guess it was common on dealer lots or something. It has no cold weather so no heated seats or washers, base MID with no DSP, and I think the base Dakota leather seats with no lumbar. It does have pano sunroof and adaptive bi xenons. For some reason for the past few days none of the VIN decoders have worked for me so I can't check what options I have.







Wondering if I can use the pre-facelift module and sensors and re-code the module sensitivity. Found this thread on calibrating PDC where it seems like the values can be changed. Could be an interesting project but no idea if it will work out. Right now the only adapter I have is a Resler IBUS for my Android HU. Anyone know if I can use INPA, NCS Expert/Dummy, etc. (never used them just know the names from reading threads) with a Resler interface? Also probably not getting a 4.8is front bumper anytime soon so to install front sensors in a normal facelift bumper do I just drill holes? I thought I saw something about extra plastic pieces that clip on for the retrofit.



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The front PDC uses the gong under the dash that is already there for door open, etc chimes. You will need to add the rear gong that sits just next to the rear fuse panel on the right side. I retrofitted front and rear PDC in my X5 and the wiring is all there on LCI models. I would also suggest getting the button strip on the console with the PDC on/off button as it is nice to have the light indicator for fault or simply turning it on or off. All those pieces can be had on fleaBay for under $20 each.

Old thread but giving an update - unfortunately the seller just disappeared. Kept telling me days they would be home and then when the day came they would reschedule. Told me one day that they will be back next month. Later said they are a truck driver in a busy time and not sure when they can come to town. Tried to get a hold of them periodically for the next few months but no response so I just gave up :(. Scam comes to mind but they never asked me to send money in advance or anything so not sure what the point was of advertising, then pushing the time back again and again, then disappearing? lol

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I don't believe it. Almost exactly a year later and I get a text from this guy. :rofl:


Seems like pulled all the parts off the car and got rid of it as he told me he has various parts in his garage. Looking like the valance piece on the rear bumper has some bad scratches. $550 for the bumper and arches seems pretty high considering I don't think I can get by without a repaint. Going to go see it soon and decide if it's worth negotiating based on paint condition or just leaving it. I guess I expected it to be damaged but still pretty sad considering it's the same color as my car.


I also asked about the PDC module and rear footwell lights. Re-reading this thread also reminded me about the gong (thanks!). Need to ask about that. He has the module but footwell lights have their connectors cut off. Is it okay to run the 4.6 PDC module with only rear sensors? Unfortunately I don't think I'll ever end up doing the front.



Also I did get the button panel up front from a pick-your-part months ago. Somehow found a 3.0 with rear heated seats (!!!) so grabbed the rear buttons too. If the interior was black I would've picked up the entire rear seat but just don't have the space :(. If I'm putting a button panel with fake front heated seats might as well do the back too :rofl::p:.


Before I proceed, if someone could help me confirm that this will all work out that would be great!



- I have a facelift 3.0 base (only options are adaptive bi-xenon and pano roof) w/ Android HU and I-BUS app

-Parts are from a 4.6is (other than front button panel with PDC button)

- End goal is 4.6/8is rear valance and arches + rear-only PDC
- I did find some threads on arches but I'm a bit confused. IIRC I have seen pics of 4.6/8is without running boards so I assume I can do rear arches without them? Can I do front arches from the 4.6 parts car without a front 'is' bumper (assuming seller will sell just arches), or do 4.6/8is cars even have front arches or just rear?
-Do I need to do coding for the PDC or can i configure it with the I-BUS app?




Thanks!!

I thought that X5 looked familiar :)

i would THINK you'd need to change the vehocle order number to let it know it came with the PDC from factory. OR you will at least need to code it, since none of the equipment is currently in there (adn if so, it truly IS finicky at best, in my experience)