Xtrons HU install/upgrade thread
 

I just recently purchased and installed an Xtrons HU. I followed Crystalworks video and thread for help on running the wiring. That was great. The hardest part was finding the actual wiring instructions to the HU and existing hardware. I had so many questions and had to scour the internet and forums to find answers. This took up the majority of my time for the installation.

The company, Xtrons, sucks for help (as I had read on many forums) so this led me to think that maybe the Xoutpost community could come together for a dedicated thread for installation, upgrades and just general support for us with Xtrons HU's in the e53 platform.

I had the factory NAV and DSP so I had to do the harder of the 2 installs. I am more than happy to report my tips on the install, but I was just wondering if the moderators have anything to say about starting and maintaining the thread?:dunno:

What do you all think? Does it need a certain amount of info to be a sticky or can it just start out that way? Please comment.:popcorn:

We haven't seen a new sticky in over 10 years but always post your experience. It helps those in the future that may choose any of the 3 or 4 major Android conversions.

That’s an understatement :rofl: pretty good idea, I installed mine based on a guide for a different make stereo combined with a few YouTube videos.

How has your experience been with it so far? I have a feeling that the screen quality and GPS signal have been degrading on mine. Not sure if it’s software or hardware related. Of course Xtrons has been of no help at all.

I have been less than thrilled with the overall experience. I'll post a pic of the installed unit in a bit.

I'm really new to the new android HU, so I didn't really understand how much of a PITA it is to use. Especially the offline maps. That is a tool I use daily for my job. Google maps. I never got to experience the factory NAV as the screen went out while it was in the shop for repairs ( I dropped it off to my indy for a Post purchase inspection). When I got it back, the radio died within a few days. I haven't had a radio in it for a year.

It is supposed to have a split screen option for the NAV as well and I can't seem to get that to work. I was curious about using the factory NAV unit or at least the GPS antenna that came with the X. I stuffed the GPS antenna that it came with under the dash and stuck it to the metal brace in there. Same for the WiFi.

Patriks7,

How long have you had your HU installed? What model is it? I ended up with the PSD1053BL:
https://xtrons.com/bmw-x5-built-in-d...-rom-psd1053bl

It's not the latest and greatest, but I wanted to see how it performed before throwing tons of money in a new HU. I saw SpookX5's HU and really liked the look of it. Especially the larger screen. Easier for my aging eyes to see!

I have this model:
https://xtrons.com/bmw-x5-e53-androi...-rom-ib9953bpl

I vastly prefer its capabilities to stock. Offline maps are super easy with Google, you just select an area and download it. It expires after a period of time, because construction happens so often, but updating the downloaded maps is easy as well. I'm not fond of connecting the unit to my phone for internet, but there are models with built in 4G as well, which I am considering an upgrade to.

Things that might make you want to keep your old stock system would be television usage (which you can also make happen with these Android units), enjoying the nostalgia of the 8 color navigation from the early 2000s, radio usage (something I don't do at all since I'm in Kuwait and don't understand Arabic. You can integrate your antenna system and such with the Android systems, I just never bothered.), or some other oddity like owning an old ass Nokia keypad phone that fits in the center console.

I see no value in keeping a car stock that has no value in it to others, but some do. I love this Android system and the rest of the audio I replaced the BMW antiquities with.

Might I ask, how well does this unit mount? I have an older model in another X5 I own and due to having rounded corners around the edges, it doesn't mount securely in the hole. The unit I have that I named above, has corners that help to fix it in the hole and honestly could get by without even having screws in it.

After using my multi tool to remove some of the plastic in the dash it fits like stock. What year is your X, eskirvin?

My wife has taken over the X while her Audi is in the shop (anyone want to buy an Audi? :rolleyes:) so I keep missing the opportunity to take pictures. I should be able to do it today.

I did download the Google maps and about an hour after I did, it wanted to update the area so it wouldn't load. Frustrating. I may order the 4G dongle just for maps.

Another slight annoyance is that the first screen is supposed to be your home screen that you can personalize. I can't do that with mine. It's just the factory loaded apps and I cannot change them. I have to swipe to the next screen for my apps.

When ordering, I forgot to get the antenna. I was thinking about adding DAB+. Does anyone know if you need to get the other 6m cable in addition to the DAB+ for radio reception?

Sounds like it should be a tight fit then. I've got two X5s, both 2005, one 4.4i, the other a 3.0i. How do I add that to a "signature" on my profile? It sucks that the "home page" can't be altered. The one I got allows for whatever. Maybe I'll stick with this one.

Go to user CP at top right of page>edit signature on left side of page half way down.

Here is a dark picture that I had to snap to get it posted today before it got dark. More to come tomorrow....

You won't find a HU like mine with the "Shadowline" trim. It's the blacker thin strip that's under the screen. I did that because it was the only "chrome" thing in my interior. Nothing a little rattle can couldn't fix!

I have this model https://xtrons.com/bmw-x5-e53-androi...rom-pq1953bipl

It was installed about half a year ago. I’m going to have to check the connections once I have a bit more time, as I don’t see any reason why I’m having the issues I am. Overall I am very pleased (compared to the stock). When my GPS does work, it’s loads better than the stock one, especially with the ability to have Waze. Having Spotify with loads of downloaded music is a godsend as well for long trips. And not gonna lie, having Netflix for when I’m waiting in the car for extended times is cool too :cool:

How is your experience with the GPS connection? Does it stay constantly connected? How long does it take to start up?

The model I got fit in like a glove without absolutely any adjustments.

I haven't had any issues that made me notice. It works as well as my smartphone. I mounted mine inside the dash on top of some metal bracing. My first one, I ran up to the dash through the front midrange hole and had the damn thing melt in the Kuwait sun. It still works, just looks like a blob now.

Hmm okay I need to take apart mine over the weekend, seems like there is some issue. Yesterday I timed it and it took over 15 minutes before I got a GSP signal. But afterwards, when the car was stopped for just a few minutes, it popped up within a minute.


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Wow, that does sound bad. By the time mine boots and I open an app neeeding GPS, it seems to be working fine.

I have this same unit, but not branded as Xtrons but different, can't remember... It the 4GB version and works great. It has been in the car for 10 months now and I can't fault it! Fit's like a glove and with the IBUSS app and USB it shows the same information as the stock nav, with extra coding options! Love it!

I have my GPS boot on start up and it does so fast enough. I have less RAM than the newest HU's. It keeps loading continually as I drive so no problems there. I need to get a SIM card as updating my local area is just annoying and I use it to find my clients daily.

I am waiting on my Resler integration. Can't wait to get that hooked up! How was getting it installed on the HD? Looks easy enough.:dunno:

Can anyone comment on the DAB install? I am just trying to save a few bucks by not ordering the additional 6m antenna if it works with out it. Plus, I don't want to have to take the interior out again. Holy hell. That was a chore!

Did the IBUSS integrate into the existing NAV or are you using an app? This is my one complaint so far. The NAV is just a PITA without using 4G.

Car looks great with the new wheels, Spook!

Just received my Resler IBuss and am hoping to get it installed this weekend. Super excited for this to go in. I have never been able to see any info on this car, set the time/date, or listen to the radio. About time!

No one has any experience with the DAB+ adapter? Still wondering if I need to run the antenna to the trunk.:dunno:

I run the Resler IBUS USB. You will love it!

I did buy the optional DAB+ antenna (USB type). It does work but loses signal sometimes. Last time I used it it worked great and found many stations. I can't comment much though as I only use Spotify via Bluetooth streaming.

Did you have to run the 6m cable to the trunk to connect to the amplifier or just connect the DAB+ to the USB port?

Thanks for the reply!:thumbup:

Picture of My Home Screen
 

I really like how configurable the unit is on every level.
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I hear all of the communications on the bus thanks to my Resler interface. I'm not sure why that is, but it is distracting when listening to music at low volume. Overall, the function is amazing.

This is the function I was hoping to have as well. I haven't messed with it too much but did find that I can't do anything with the home screen. Stuck with what they have installed?

Wanted to mention that the built in microphone sucks! This is one of the questions I had about using the existing hardware that was attached to the old HU. Can we tap into those pieces? Microphone, NAV unit, antenna, etc.:dunno:

Just got the IBUS installed. When playing music from my iPhone, if I start the IBUS app, it shuts the music off. I have to stop both apps then restart one or the other. Anyone deal with this?

I will post from photos from the install of the app in a bit. Pics kinda suck because of the daylight.

For me, if I am playing music and start the IBUS app, the music volume reduces considerably, almost like the resource requirements are so high the unit has to give it more priority. The volume returns to normal after the IBUS app begins displaying all of its data on the screen. My music doesn't stop if I start the IBUS app, and my IBUS app doesn't stop if I play music, but I do have the 4GB RAM model, which might be a significant difference.

Hmmmm......that is something to think about. I did fool with the volume but am not sure I waited very long to see if it would start playing once it was actually running the Ibus app. I'll try that today. I actually get to drive the X today!:D

Not sure how to get the pics inline so I can write descriptions under each pic but they are in order.

First pic is of the little bit of plastic I had to remove to get the unit to sit flush correctly in the dash. I have a multi tool that did it quick and clean.

Second is of the WiFi antenna and loom zipped to the metal frame. GPS is on the other side. Not sure if this is the best spot for these but it was easy!:D

The other pics are from the actual app install. After that you will open the app and when it connects to the WiFi it will have you verify the license and off you go! There are hours worth of options to explore.

To the USB Port :-)

I can't say I hear all the communications but I do hear some noise on low volume with engine off.

[QUOTE=SpookX5;1191836]To the USB Port :-)[QUOTE]

Exactly what I wanted to hear! Thanks, Spook! Last question: Did you go with the puck or the stick and did you install it on your A pillar like they suggest?

And since you have the same HU, did you have any issues with the streaming shutting off when the Resler interface booted? Specifically, I can't have the IBus app running and use Spotify at the same time(which sucks because I lose all of the IBus functions). I am streaming from an iPhone. Am wondering if the 4G dongle will be the next purchase to solve this issue?

I believe there were issues with 4G dongle they sell not being compatible with US 4G carriers.

I have xtrons PT1853B which is very similar design to yours but with Android 8, Octa core, 4GB ram and 32GB rom. Installed Resler iBus with DSP license, running 6ft antenna adapter and power harness from back of the car.

It runs good most of times, but once in a while, iBus app won't recognize the USB interface and won't connect.

For your issue, loosing Resler when using Spotify, how are you streaming to the headunit? Enable iPhone wifi tethering and headunit connects to the iPhone, and run the Spotify app from headunit?

I was wondering about that dongle. Site says not compatible with North America. Was wondering if that meant the U.S or Canada?

I have the same issue with Resler not connecting on start up. Sometimes it will sometimes it won’t.

I connect and stream via Bluetooth.

I'm pretty sure it's North America, including US and Canada.

Ah... Stream via Bluetooth. Please correct me if below is how you use.
You don't use the Spotify app within the headunit. You use the Bluetooth App that is built-in the headunit (as preinstalled) to play music which streams from the Spotify app running from iPhone.

Nailed it. I haven’t downloaded any apps aside from the Resler app. I’d have to use my hotspot the whole time. That’s why I was looking at the dongle.

Why do you need to use the hotspot? To stream Spotify from iPhone, you don't need hotspot. To use Google Map for navi, you can download the map and use it as offline.

Having said that, looks like the streaming/iBus app issue has nothing to do with Spotify running in iPhone.
Does iBus app start automatically as soon as headunit is booted up after you start the car?

I don’t use hotspot for streaming on phone. I would have to use it to play from HU if I downloaded the app.

IBus does load most of the time but not always.

Did anyone try connecting the factory CD changer to the HU? There is a DIY link on the IBus wiki page.

I activated the control in the IBus app and can hear it change the CD but I get no sound. Was curious why I have no sound if I have control? Weren't all of the controls and signals sent through the loom we connected the HU too?

I'm still having issues with the IBus app not opening on startup. I am not driving the X daily yet so no time to mess with it. Likely going to email the app developer to see if I can get some help. Just noticed the he released a new version yesterday.

https://forum.ibus-app.de/showthread.php?tid=889

^Mine does not open on startup either timmyc. I just manually boot it with the recently used programs function. It's an extra 2 screen presses, but hasn't overly annoyed me yet. Had bigger fish to fry lately so have not messed with getting the Ibus app much after initial setup. Love the app though and always drive with the truck on that screen.

As a side note... I hate that the N62 runs at 204-210F in closed loop. :rolleyes:

Interesting...
My iBus app starts automatically with starting up the car every time. BUT, this doesn't mean the App recognize the USB dongle successfully or not.
Often times the App is started but didn't recognize the USB. When this happens, I loose OBC ability and cannot force the App to recognize the USB, unless I unplug the power from back of the Headunit.
Having said that, on next day, the App connects to USB successfully. seems buggy.

Try this option.
In iBus App, go to Settings > Other > Start app when Ignition is off > Check ON.

Xtrons HU install/upgrade thread
 

Right on. I’ll check that setting and make sure it is checked.

I hear you about the temp the N62 runs at. Next time I do my cooling system I’m planning on looking into the lower temp t-stat.

Totally off topic for the thread but when I refreshed my cooling system I went with the lower bar pressure cap and a 90c stat and have had zero issues since. Truck runs CONSIDERABLY cooler than stock and I have had no issues at all reaching closed loop even living over here in Ohio where we definitely get cold winters. The difference that I did notice was that prior to the upgrade it was at operating temp by the time I got to the freeway, about 2 miles or so from my house, I now let it warm up for about 60\90 seconds before I back out of the garage and if I don't hurry to the freeway she's just hitting temp as I roll onto the on ramp :thumbup:

If you're in North America DAB won't work.

Oh, man! You just saved me 60 bucks! [emoji2]

So what are we doing for the radio reception? Just using the factory antenna in the trunk? Or just using an app? I use Tune In for my radio app. It’s great.

Yep. Wanted to do DAB (because HD radio is not offered) and found out it's a rest of the world thing. Avin btw, said HD radio wanted too much for licensing so they opted out. :rolleyes:

I've had a Logic7 thermostat in a box for a couple of years (maybe 3 years?). Only been driving the 4.8 about 3000 miles a year over the last 3 years and so I just keep putting off a major service (motor mounts, VCG, alternator bracket gasket, complete cooling system, etc) in favor of other more immediate projects. :dunno:

I have 0.3i 2003 would it fit the same in my car?
Do you have DSB in your car and did you use the extention 6m cable?

Can you please post some photos? I would like to see it fits in the car.

Crazy how different the UI looks on yours. Is it an Xtrons? How old is it? IBus just released a new version of the app. Have you tried to update it?

See posts #'s 10, 14 and 24 for fitment

Fixed the streaming from iPhone issue.

I was screwing around trying to get the CD changer to work and changed the "source" to CD in the DSP page. Changed it back to "tuner" and have music again!

Stupid IBus app will not open on start up though. Really annoying.

Tried this and it still doesn't load. Not sure what to do with this? I have emailed the app developer, but not sure I will get an answer.

Are you able to change your home screen? My apps are fixed and I have to swipe to the next page for my home page. It's a slight inconvenience, but it's still lame that I can't arrange the factory home page with my own apps.

Planning on throwing a SIM card in today for giggles. We'll see what happens there....:rolleyes:

Not even half a year old yet. From my understanding the version I got comes with a vanilla version of Android, while the other ones have some kind of a specific UI from them. I haven’t as I am away from my car for a few weeks, but I am strongly considering just resetting it to stock when I get back and go from there, install everything one app at a time and see if there are issues.


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That is an interesting option for me to think about as well. Still busy trying to go through all of the settings on the HU and the IBus app.

That's another question I have. I have factory DSP. The Xtrons HU has the built in DSP and the Resler controls the factory DSP. Is there some sort of overlap there that is messing with the DSP? I never got to hear it on the factory HU so I have no idea what it is supposed to sound like.:dunno:

Are you sure your DSP amp is good if you never got to hear it? Not uncommon for them to fail.

How would I check it? I have power to the speakers and sub. I can't image the HU would supply everything without distortion?

Can you give me a link to HU?

Seems the Xtrons site is having some technical difficulties....try eBay, man. That's where I got mine. It's the cheapest through eBay.:thumbup:

This app looks extremely intriguing. I downloaded the app and will install this week. Hopefully it won't brick the HU.:confused:

https://idrive.ibus-app.de/

Just loaded this on to my Android phone - very cool. ;)

Seems to be running fine. I like the look of it way better than the stock UI. Plays well with the IBus app, too.

The way the screen is situated in the dash can be problematic in the sun. Doesn't happen too often but when it does this is what you get.

Did I mention the built in microphone sucks?

I have the same problem with my Chinese Android unit of the same screen proportions. But honestly it's a problem with all of them. The avant 2 and 4 both had the same issue.

Good to know CW.

I’d like to hear from the other folks who have the more upright style. Kinda like the new OE style screens. Probably hard to get the angle correct for both viewing and light refraction.


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Anyone with an XTRONS unit willing to give me a helping hand? I have been in contact with their customer service for a while now regarding my GPS issues, so far haven’t found any logical problem. I even tried to reset my unit, that unfortunately didn’t help it and the GPS still takes ages to get going. We are now in the stage to determine if the head unit is faulty (hope not, don’t want to go through the hassle of sending it in for repair) or the GPS antenna. For those of you with a good working GPS, could you measure the voltage at the antenna output? I get 5.2v, XTRONS hasn’t replied for a while now, so I can’t tell if that’s within limits or not. Thanks.


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You wouldn't happen to be running "Car Launcher" would you? They pushed an update a little while back and it killed my GPS load times and today was a new update that fixed the GPS problem but now setup of personalized screen/apps is a PITA....[emoji2959][emoji2959]

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Nope. Had the issues even when reset to stock with nothing installed. Doesn’t work in Google Maps or Waze. Very weird issue.

Well crap...

Was hoping it was the app like mine. I have zero ideas then, sorry.

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I just checked voltage at the HU and I am getting a reading of only 3.3V. This is in position 1 with the HU connected to WiFi. I did not check at the end of the antenna as it is buried in the dash.

My GPS pops right up when I open the app. Takes maybe 20-30 seconds to load the offline maps that I use.

If I ever own another e53 that needs a new HU, I think I will not get an Xtrons. I can't stand not being able to have at least some kind of support from the manufacturer. That is really the biggest disappointment for me. I always have a lot of questions and like to be able to, at the very least, get and email from someone?:dunno:

Thanks for checking! After further communication with them, the voltage should be between 2.8v and 3.3v, so I am definitely having some issues here. I got offered the options to either ship my unit back in for replacement or get a refurbished replacement. Have to figure out what the best option would be so that I am without my head unit for as little time as possible.

Can’t argue with you there, the support is not the best, but I am happy that after a few weeks I am getting close to a solution :bustingup then again, for the price, I think this was the best option out there. Wasn’t a big fan of the look of the AVIN one for example.

So my HU has the built in DSP EQ. 30 frequencies to mess with, it's insane. It seems pretty damn solid but it's also a lot to mess with.

I also bought the DSP license with my Resler IBus. This apparently allows the factory DSP processor to work as it should with the aftermarket HU's.

AND, I also have the new UI running (which is great except for a few issues) and it has IT'S own DSP levels! :doh:

Soooo. For those of you with these parameters (maybe just the first two?) do you find that the two are fighting each other? Which DSP EQ are you using? Can one or two be cancelled out by another? This is crazy.

I don't drive the X much but we are ditching the A4 soon and this will be the wife's daily. Since we both enjoy music a lot I want to get the sound decent with the factory system. I am typically an aftermarket guy but there are just too many damn speakers in this thing to replace! Right now the front is so bright it's hard to listen to. I am wondering if the window mids are shot. It's just harsh to listen to. And I feel the soundstage is way out front as well. Not balanced as it should be. I just read for about an hour or so and the DSP system and it's flaws and I agree with most of it. I am planning on using my sound level meter to see if I can nail a sweet spot. If so, I'll post my settings.

Still waiting on my 6m antenna for the radio! :(

I did not opt for the DSP option in my Avant-4 since I already have factory DSP but AVIN tells you to put all the standard EQ settings in the Avant-4 to flat and make any sound tuning and adjustments in the DSP settings in the iBus app.

Exactly what I was hoping to hear. Thanks, man. I’ll try that later today and see if that helps.


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A newby question, my X5 is 2003 and has no DSP. Can I have DSP whatever DSP is if I install a head unit?

Digital Sound Processor.

If I am correct, you would have to find a factory DSP amp and install it. Then your new HU would be able to send and receive the signal to the amp. The HU will have the controls to manipulate the EQ and sound field.

Just an educated guess.

You can add DSP but it is not as straightforward as just adding the head unit with the DSP button. You would need the rear radio unit (the head unit is really just a display), the DSP amp and a completely different harness as the DSP utilizes the speakers differently than the hi-fi or non- hi-fi units. In short, it would be a significant amount of work and (probably) rather costly.

You’d likely be further ahead to pop in a good Avin, Xtron, Eonon, etc and let the dream of DSP go.


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Well said. Thank you for the clarification.


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Thanks for aswers. Is it worth the truoble? Will the sound quality be noticeably better?

Depends on what's in the car right now. :dunno:

My car has only the base 6 speaker system, so in my case, I bet retro-fitting a full DSP system would improve the sound enourmously, at a huge cost (in time/effort/$$).

If I ever fit an android HU, it won't be for the sound, that's fo' sure. ;)

As was said, it would likely be a “significant” improvement over the stock unit, but again, with a large price tag and extensive amount of work. You would (likely) be further ahead to simply replace the speakers that you have with new technology speakers from today, better mids, highs, and mid-bass speakers and add tour own subbox. Cost would probably be similar, but the work effort involved would be half and the sound would be amazing.

I personally have the alpine hi-fi system in my car and I can say that I LOVE car audio and simply adding the factory subbox, modified to hold a Sony 10” sub and an amp was a WOW difference [emoji106]

Look up some of the posts on here about modding the factory box and tapping the high level outputs to add a sub, all in all pretty straight forward and a HUGE improvement over stock. Unless you’re up for removing huge chunks of the interior, in my opinion, it’s the way to go.


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So thought I would share an update:

After some more back and forth with their support, we have come to a solution. I will be sending my broken head unit to them this week and in return they will send me a refurbished back as a replacement. All in all, it might not be ideal, but I think it‘s pretty reasonable. Hopefully the replacement will arrive quickly and won‘t have issues.

Received and attempted to install my radio antenna but I am not getting any stations except for the Christian station and the Mexican music station. I don’t listen to either so not real thrilled about that.

I have tried both ports and it doesn’t change the reception at all. Am I at the right spot of this complicated system for the antenna to connect to?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...3e8c742c2e.jpg
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Answered my own question. That, I believe, is the NAV receiver that I had originally posted with the antenna wire connected to it. The actual radio recover is in the following pictures. You’ll see where I have the new antenna clipped in to the old one. As soon as it snapped in the stations tuned in. [emoji316]

So, the aftermarket HU antennas plug into the factory plug here in the trunk of the X at the original head unit receiver. Only took an hour on the internet to find it. [emoji848]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...98cf07745e.jpg
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Some words of wisdom from a now veteran Xtrons installer:

Be sure to order and install the radio antenna at the time of install when you have the whole interior torn apart

If you don’t do the antenna during the initial install ( be sure to do it then )if you run it down the drivers side it will be closer to the radio in the trunk where you will be attaching it to the factory antenna. It isn’t long enough to run all the way down the side to the trunk so see the pictures posted and run it under the back seat along the battery cable. There is no interference along the cable so you won’t get feedback.

Run a coax cable as a preemptive addition for that amp you’ll ultimately be installing along with the new subwoofer.

Get the external mic and install. Did I mention the factory mic sucks?

So with those words of wisdom, go forth and conquer your old HU with a new Android HU!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f69d1c1ff5.jpg
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Yes, the internal mic was also an issue on my Avant-4. I ran the external mic to the ultrasonic alarm module above my head. Perfect clarity on the other end of my calls. :thumbup:

Another update:

Full points to XTRONS customer support! Few days ago I got my replacement unit, the whole exchange with shipping took 6 business days. The new unit works perfectly now! Absolutely no screen issues and GPS connects in a heartbeat. Hoping this will be a long term one now :cool:

Great to hear! I have still never heard from them on my questions I asked weeks ago.

I am still up in the air about my opinion on this new HU. It is so buggy! Sometimes the Resler app opens no problem, mostly it does not. I have changed the USB port several times and it still acts the same way.

For no reason at all, the sound quit. Haven't driven it since then.

Takes a long time to load. I know I have the lesser amount of RAM but I don't have a bunch of stuff loaded that it needs to wait on. I had to disable the folding mirror option because it wouldn't be loaded by the time I wanted to leave?! Too bad. too. I like that option.

Reaching across the screen to fiddle with options is sketchy too.

Guess I am old school, but I miss the knobs for volume and control.

And I still haven't figured out the best sound with the DSP. I think I may have some bad speakers?

I had to revert back to the old UI as I could not figure out how to get the radio to show up!? Seems like that should be easy. And the Resler app, when it would actually open, would always go to it's home screen. Then I would have to fool with it to get back to the radio. Really frustrating.

Aside from that, it's okay.....

Has anyone installed a BU Camera?
 

I'm thinking about buying an Android HU, mostly for phone and Nav but am wondering if I should get a BU Camera while I'm at it. Visibility out the back of the X5 kinda sucks. The HU install looks pretty straight forward (I have the standard Business Radio and single CD now, no DSP or factory Nav so I think everything I have to do for the HU is in the dash), Im wondering how hard it is to string the camera cable to the back, where you mount the camera, and what does it take to connect to the transmission shifter for it to recognize reverse?

I'm leaning towards this XTRON HU, mostly because it's the only Octa-Core 4GB RAM unit I see.

All thoughts and experiences appreciated.

https://avinusa.com/avant-4-multimed...mw-x5-e53.html
This is the one I’m going with. It has good reviews from others that have it and it ships from the US.

I went with the Avin Avant 4. I also installed a back up camera. It wasn't that hard. The toughest part is routing the wiring into the rear lid. The cable from the head unit can be routed down the right side of the truck under the edge of the carpet.

The Xtrons brand is pretty solid. I haven't had any major issues with it aside from the terrible internal mic. It's mostly the IBus software that is funky.

I see that you are interested in the HU for the NAV capability. I too, was excited for that option. Now, not so much. Here's why:
Unless you opt for the cellular connection, you have to use offline maps. This is okay if you live in an area that has a large area covered under one "offline area" through Google Maps. Being in SB, you may have a large area covered. IDK? If not, the area that you DL must be updated every month or so. This just requires you are connected to the internet for the update. It's probably not an issue or chore for most, it just is for me.

And if you will be using it for calls while on the road, GET THE EXTERNAL MIC!

Not sure if all of the Xtrons units are the same, but the internal mic really sucks on mine.

Good luck! :beerchug:

Does the xtron not have wifi? If it does, you can connect to a wifi hotspot on your phone. No need for cellular in the HU.

That's what I do on my android unit. Couldn't imagine not having it tethered. Great for podcasts, youtube, music streaming, etc.

It does. Maybe this is just a case of my ignorance on how to use the unit? I don't drive it much so I haven't really bothered to solve the problem rather than sweep it under the rug.

Do you use the hotspot for NAV?

I use hotspot for just about everything. The one thing with an iphone is that you have to be on the hotspot screen on the phone for the HU to connect, but once it's connected you're fine. My understanding is that Android phones don't have that issue.

I use Waze for nav because of the real time traffic info that helps steer clear of problems when possible. It's available from the playstore for free. I've also got Pandora on there for Music and Podcasts that I run from the phone wifi hotspot.

Thanks for all the tips. I plan on getting an external mic (probably mount it at the top of the A-pillar as that looks easier to get to than the center overhead light). The Avin is quite a bit more than the Xtron by the time you add the PX6 processor and "nav bracket". If it's really better that's okay, but other than processor these things appear pretty similar to me. Am I right?

I'm not super familiar with the xtrons. I would look at support. It has been good for me with the AVin. I had to have my first one replaced under warranty because of a problem with the sd card reader. No problem. They also ship from inside the states so the wait should be a lot shorter.

If you're looking for a backup camera, I'd suggest this:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It looks very OEM when installed. It does require drilling but the end results are clean, OEM looks and perfect vision.

That does look good. Do you mount it to the side of the hatch release? I don't think you could put it in the middle.

It's mounted to the side of hatch release as Overboost's pic demonstrates, although I've seen cameras as part of the hatch handle on some BMW after-market cams. I haven't seen that type for the E53 X5 hatch handle. I'd recommend mounting it further in than Overboost's as it tends to catch road dirt when it's placed right to the edge of the hatch. My X6M OEM backup camera is way in from the hatch.

You'll see some advertised as working for the e53 hatch handle. They don't.

https://www.amazon.com/Reversing-Lic...596729&sr=8-11

I tried the above but was sent the wrong size and they never responded with sending a new one. Looks like a good idea?:dunno:

That’s good info. Thanks for sharing! I guess it just won’t work since they sent you what I have to assume is the only size they have.

I looked into those. Checked dimensions on all the ones I found that claimed to fit the e53. All were the wrong size.

They supposedly have 3 sizes, but the lack of response in any way makes me think maybe they don't?

I may try another brand because I really liked the fact that I wouldn't have to drill through the plastic and I liked the position as well. I'm not really motivated to get that done. Hell, I still haven't ordered the external mic so I can use the phone over the HU!

I ran my camera through an easy access point in the bed of the trunk, covered by a plastic plug. I mounted my camera on the tow hook cover, if that makes sense. The perspective is very low, but it really helps when backing up to a curb so you don't smash your exhaust tips. Getting a new tow hook cover is a matter of a dozen bucks, something most BMW owners can afford. The below link is the one I installed, but it seems to be unavailable now.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This is the one I installed: https://www.amazon.com/Backup-Waterp...78ZZSKQ2&psc=1

Do you have a pic of it installed?

Excuse the filth. Haven't been able to wash her since the last rain. I went with this one for the adjustability. I liked the one that mounts through the handle, but was worried about it not being properly aligned and not being able to adjust.

That doesn’t look bad at all. I don’t like the thought of drilling through the car for a camera either.

You will still have to drill holes for the wire and the screws.

The piece that get's drilled to is the most logical and invasive area IMO. To replace it with a brand new one, is relatively inexpensive too. I think it's around $60 for that trim, which is cheap in bmw world...

Here's the plastic part that needs drilling. I had to also drill through the metal of the trunk itself that the grip sits on because the 18mm metal stem of the camera prevents it from sitting flash on the trunk grip. Both holes are small and clean. If you can cut the stem in half without damaging the camera wire that passes through it (perhaps using a dremel), the camera will sit flash without having to drill through the trunk metal part. Cutting the stem will leave enough of it for the nut to hold the camera in place. I made sure to paint the hole on the metal with touch-up paint to prevent rust. The end result is a clean OEM-like installation.

Note: I tried in vain to find a similar camera with a shorter stem.

Resler Ibus Connection
 

Want to install a Resler Ibus Module on a new Xtrons unit with the long cable going to the back (factory Nav). Do I need the pictured adapter (top pic)? The long extension cable has this unused plug with 4 wires, so I assume I can plug into that?

The bottom picture shows that unused plug with only 4 wires coming right off the harness that plugs into the back of the HU. Mine isn't like that, but the long extension cable DOES have that connection and is unused. Just want to make sure I'm ordering the right stuff.

AM.

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Given no response to this, I'm guessing most people just wired it up the old-fashioned way without using this nifty adapter.

I'm now questioning the utility of the Resler addition since I've already spent too much money on this upgrade. Since I don't have a DSP amp, I'm only out the ability to control/reset the OBD functions. I guess I could always temporarily hook up the old HU and radio in the back to reset the clock if I had to disconnect the battery for some reason. But with all the functionality of the Android HU, I'm not sure it's all that important to have access to the OBD functions.

Otherwise, I got the unit all functioning and am halfway done reinstalling trim panels, etc. I was happy to find a power wire off the harness for the backup camera. I used the Nakita camera suggested by X5Only. It seems like a quality unit and I like how it fits. Running the wire was a pain, though. I had a heck of a time getting the wire through the little accordion boot by the hinge of the hatch.

I abandoned my thought of using the factory microphone, but I did run the auxiliary mic (included with the radio to my surprise) up to the O/H console and positioned it essentially where the factory mic sits. I haven't tested it yet, but that just seems like the best location.

The only oddity I haven't solved is..... the AM radio tuner goes in 9 kHz increments rather than the US standard 10 kHz. I'm sure there must be a setting I just haven't found yet, but.... odd.

AM.

Very nifty - and seems to take the guess-work out of installer the Resler interface.

The iBus/Resler combo offers MUCH more than just replacing the missing OBD functions.... being able to communicate with the car via the Android unit opens up a tonne of cool features.... it's the number one reason to choose Android over WindowsCE or Kenwood/Apline etc. (although there are LOTS of other good reasons too!).

I'm not familiar with the Xtrons, I have an Avin unit, so I'm not familiar with how the Xtron gets wired. The Resler interface is definitely worth having. I'd do whatever I had to to figure out how to get it working.

^ What they said. You absolutely get more out of the Resler interface than simply being able to reset your OBC functions. A LOT more. Use it every time I get in the X5. If for nothing else, the comfort flash for turn signals and the ability to monitor coolant temp are awesome features. I love comfort flash.

I love that comfort flash too. Had never heard of it and after I figured out what it was and how it worked I started using it. I also like being able to easily program lights. I set up my angel eyes and fogs to run as DRL's. I also use the emergency braking set up to blink the emergency flashers when the dynamic braking lights up the upper brake light. It even lets you know it's doing it when it happens.

Honestly, I don't find the Resler that useful beyond OBC. The coding functionality is extremely limited, much worse than even the badly crippled options in Carly. I'm still going to have to break out the laptop.

Was it worth it for OBC? Yeah, I like having it.

Does it actually monitor anything actually useful? No, not really. The stock coolant temp gauge tells you what you need to know, oil temp doesn't work, and it doesn't monitor oil pressure.

And oil pressure is the thing you actually want if you care about your engine. (Fun fact: My oil pressure gauge saved my S50B32 from a bad oil pump post rebuild.)

I have NCS for coding, ISTA+ for diagnostics, and I thought you could get coolant temp and a few other readings from Torque (could be wrong - been awhile since I used it). Haven't heard of comfort flash - unless that just means coding it to flash 3 times for a single activation (NCS codes this).

I think I'm going to skip buying the Resler setup for now. It's another $100ish that would only add to my over-expenditure on a decent Android unit for the beast. I can always add it later if I become convinced of its worth.

AM.

Yep, other options exist for all but the DSP and OBC functions. But the convenience of the Ibus is great.

I use it for fuel tank and on the fly voltage as well. It's pretty useful. Unless coded, the dummy gauge on the dash for coolant temp is a recipe for disaster. But we all have a cost/benefit calculations, so understand not wanting to spend more.

I didn't realize it was $100. I paid much less than that, but I ordered directly. Looking up the prices for the hardware and the license (without DSP) looks like they can both be had for ~$55 now. Will be the best $55 you've spent on your E53.

+1

Where can I get that price? It would be about $92 after converting to Euros from this site:https://shop.ibus-app.de/en/shop/acc...le-incl.-cable .

AM.

E23.99 Hardwarre - https://modbmw.com/shop/ibus-interface/

E22.00 License - https://shop.ibus-app.de/en/shop/lic...pp-obc-license

*I did not check for any shipping costs on the hardware...

Thanks, man! That's a MUCH more tolerable price.

AM.

No problem. Totally understand the mental affect of an ~$50 difference in price. I am researching buying an ICOM Next package for all my Bimmers and am going through the same struggle with all the different sellers hocking these ICOM clones. So I get it. :D My head is hurting deciding to go w/ software package vs without vs HDD vs SSD. :rofl:

I just noticed we have very similar E70 35d's also. Mine's an 03/10 build 2010, so it has CIC which was the main reason I was originally only considering LCI's. I was thrilled to stumble upon this late build pre-LCI and learn that BMW started putting CIC into the later build 2010's. I'm really liking the E70 AND the diesel engine a lot. Man did they change a LOT from the E53!

AM.

No kidding. Going from the E53 to the E70 (down right now due to needing DDE programming) feels like entering a space ship. But then going from the E53 to the wife's F15 feels like going into an alien craft. :rofl:

I think ours has CIC as well as opposed to the CCC. I have an Avin setup ready to be installed into it but with it being down haven't found the motivation. :dunno:

I want to sell the E70 while used car prices are crazy but the dumb thing roasted the trans (e clutch bushing failure). After replacing the trans and having it drive AMAZING it decided the DEF fluid was incorrect, did the countdown, and then locked the DDE for no start. Only problem with the diesels is the emissions crap... but I refuse to drive a BMW that sounds like a mid 2000's super duty pickup. Or smell like one.

Must give a shout-out to Xtrons. I searched everywhere in the unit's menus and online for how to set my AM radio to US increments of 10 kHz to no avail. Frustrated, I sent an email to Xtrons Customer Service before signing off for bed last night. This morning, I had an email waiting for me with explicit step-by-step instructions how to change the setting. Very happy with the head unit and the support so far.

A few notes about questions I had going into this whole process (Thanks to all the previous posters on this and other installation threads. Your info was very helpful) ...

My E53 had NAV, but no DSP, so I needed to order the EXL007 long cable to plug into the back, along with the ICE/ACS/ANT001 long antenna cable. The long antenna cable substitutes for the ISOFZ Fakra converter (that wasn't clear to me), so I didn't need to order that. Fortunately, it wasn't very expensive.

I added the backup camera suggested by X5only in this thread. I'm happy with it, but that location made for a somewhat difficult installation. Getting the wire through the rubber accordion boot at the top right of the hatch was VERY tight. I had to snake a wire coat hanger through it first, then tape the camera wire to the hanger for about 8" (I tried less the first time, but it didn't hold) and slowly pull the wire back through while manipulating the accordion boot as best I could. The headunit automatically switches to the backup camera feed when the vehicle is put in reverse, so no additional trigger wire is required. You do need 12V power for the camera, however.
Fortunately the HU has a plain pink wire labeled, "camera" that supplies 12V only when in reverse. There's a red wire integrated into the camera's long cable that is the power source wire for the camera, so it was super easy to just solder the pink and red together and it was done. The black and red power pigtails at the rear can just be tucked away and not used. Some people have been trying to tap into their reverse lights in the back, but my unit was way simpler.

I ran the (included) auxiliary mic up the right A-pillar and across the roof under the headliner so the mic could be located in the O/H console. It looks a little funny having the mic stick out like that, but.... function over fashion I guess. Still better than having the mic and wire clipped to the dash somewhere. This was not as difficult to accomplish as I feared.

I ran all the wiring along the passenger side of the vehicle - just tucked under the carpet. If you push the wires under there an inch or two, there's actually a plastic trough they can easily sit in most of the way along the doors. I had plenty of length in all the cables for this path.

AM.

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Has anyone upgraded their Dynavin unit to this? I recently picked up an Xtrons to replaced the Dynavin unit that went to pasture and I was hoping I could potentially repurpose some of the connections used....

anyone have any luck?

Update: Just installed the Xtrons unit with full success... Pretty much reversed engineered how the old unit was installed and was able to reuse my backup camera connections...

Nice work, AM! :thumbup:

Have you had any issues with the IBus at start up? It tends to load about 70% of the time, then once it does, it takes over the main IU.

How is the glare with the more upright screen?

Mine never boots up automagically even though I believe I set it to. Have to manually start it every time. I'll have to look into it more... been so busy with other things to mess around with the stereo.

Thanks! I literally haven't driven the vehicle since installation, so I can't offer any feedback. Recovering from a ridiculously nasty cold, so hoping to get back to working on it soon. I haven't installed the IBUS app - still deciding if it's necessary.

AM.

How are you guys mounting these 10.25" screens in the dash? The xtron unit just came with two flimsy brackets and nothing to guide you on how to install..

any pics, guide is appreciated!!!

I don't know if I did it right, but the unit fit pretty snuggly into the opening and the two upper corner screw holes lined up with the OE holes, so I only used those to hold the unit in place. I figured those brackets must have been for a different application (vehicles with just basic business radio?).

Maybe someone else has better input? I agree... it seems inadequate/wrong.

AM.

guess there is my issue...
my X5 didn't have NAV from factory and the PO installed a Dynavin unit using a combo of the stock bracket and the Dyanvin supplied one so I didn't have any holes that lined up.

You might poke around here: http://bbs.xtrons.com/ - Car DVD BBS,Xtrons BBS,Car DVD Player BBS,Car Entertainment BBS

Alternatively, I had quick response when I emailed [email protected] . You might want to include a picture of your dash and include details like your HU's model number. etc.

AM.

The two front screws are all that is required if the rear mounting stud lines up and is used.

Most times it doesn't and isn't....

Here's the OEM Nav HU...

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7411/...94be3f6a_c.jpg

This picture clearly shows the hole the stud fits in...

https://xoutpost.com/attachments/x5-...egration-f.jpg

Thanks, Wpoll. I wonder if the "stud" can be transferred to the new HU? I'll pull the HU back out when I get a chance and see.

AM.

The stud is threaded (M4 or M5 maybe), so re-use depends on a threaded hole in the correct location in the new HU - some have this, some don't.

Nope...

https://xtrons.co.uk/media/catalog/p...b9053bl-7.webp

Maybe...

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/03...g?v=1596653135

Yep...

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/01...g?v=1546851396

wow.. didn't even know there was a forum.. much appreciated AM!

Jae

looks like the one you ordered is out of stock for the px4 and px6 and only the 2 4G LTE's arfe available with an extra cost. I am not interested in 4G. Any suggestions?

Avin Avant 4. Been very happy with mine.

I've just installed an Xtron IX1253BHL and it was a VERY VERY tight fit to get in the dash. I had to bang away some of the plastics on the sides of the HU hole to make enough room to get it in and even then it's wedged so tight I didn't even need screws.

Overall it's ok but there are some pretty bad issues which are really pissing me off.

https://xtrons.com.au/bmw-x5-e53-and...l-4g-ix1253bhl

https://xtrons.com.au/media/catalog/...1253bhl-1.webp

1. the volume ramping is just ridiculous! Going from 3 - 4 on the volume gives over double the volume. It's just so stupid. Where is the smooth volume transition? Set at 3 it's too soft, 4 too loud.

2. The native Tidal app from the play store is totally unusable. After you select an album and play there is absolutely no way to get back! All navigation functions are not shown. All I can do is skip forward or back a track on the album. PERMANANTLY!

3. Spotify app leaves all the junk at the top of the screen when playing a podcast with video. It doesn't fade away or anything so you are left with crap over your video.

4. There is some engine whine which I have no idea how that's even possible since I have factory DSP and ran the 6m cable straight to the unit. Bizzare.

5. I have no ability to change screen sizes when watching Youtube or any other videos. I'm stuck with what it defaults to. This sux.

6. When using the units DSP module, when fading to the rear the sound simply goes quieter then disappears. all speakers work when left in the centre.

So yea, I'm somewhat disappointed after having high expectations..........