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FREE100KSECRET 07-19-2021 06:32 PM

06 X5 3.0 Code PO302 PO303 PO 305 and PO300 Misfire
 
Curious, I had first a PO303 code and PO300 which was occasional, put fuel injector cleaner and it seemed to help, but came back, and no same codes on 2.3.4 cylinder, So what would cause this suddenly, checked connections and harnesses, ordered injector when #3 acted up, but I feel it is something else. Any ideas?
Thanks,

Effduration 07-19-2021 07:16 PM

What are those codes? I am not looking them up...

crystalworks 07-19-2021 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Effduration (Post 1207006)
What are those codes? I am not looking them up...

No kidding. So frustrating when an op doesn't post the definitions with the codes. Help us help you.

Edit: I see the "misfire" in the title of the post now. Random misfires are usually vacuum leak related as cn90 points out below. Intake bellows is a good place to start but it can be in so many other places. Smoke test would be the best way to diagnose. Otherwise you'll have to start pulling parts for visual inspections. Good luck.

cn90 07-19-2021 10:14 PM

Multiple misfire codes usually point to air leak.

The #1 culprit is the rubber boot feeding the throttle body.
The cracks are usually on the underside, which you can only see once it is removed from the car.

cn90 07-19-2021 11:06 PM

Cracked rubber boot...I posted the photos here...

https://xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-forums/...ml#post1204411

FREE100KSECRET 07-20-2021 09:38 AM

PO300 PO302
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Effduration (Post 1207006)
What are those codes? I am not looking them up...

PO300 is misfire code, which obviously can be caused by several reasons, and is a general code at best. The PO302 code in open circuit of injectors, so a bad connection or perhaps bad injector itself.

FREE100KSECRET 07-20-2021 09:44 AM

PO300 PO302 Codes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cn90 (Post 1207014)
Multiple misfire codes usually point to air leak.

The #1 culprit is the rubber boot feeding the throttle body.
The cracks are usually on the underside, which you can only see once it is removed from the car.

Thanks, agreed, but in my case it started with just #3 misfire and open injector circuit, so I discounted rubber boot as it was not a random misfire, but consistent, so I ordered new injector, but then #2, #4 came up with same codes, PO300 and PO303, 302, 304, so now I don't think all injectors would be open circuit at the same time. So I was curious if anything else could cause problem. I checked boot, no vacuum leaks detected anywhere, so I am stuck. If all cylinders had random misfires, I would agree.

Thanks,

FREE100KSECRET 07-20-2021 09:56 AM

PO300 Random Misfire Code, PO302 is open injector circuit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalworks (Post 1207013)
No kidding. So frustrating when an op doesn't post the definitions with the codes. Help us help you.

Edit: I see the "misfire" in the title of the post now. Random misfires are usually vacuum leak related as cn90 points out below. Intake bellows is a good place to start but it can be in so many other places. Smoke test would be the best way to diagnose. Otherwise you'll have to start pulling parts for visual inspections. Good luck.

Sorry, I just assumed most know most of the codes by heart, so I was wrong, the misfire code is probably the most common of all codes, PO302 open injector code is also common, so I made the mistake of assuming most would know what they are related to, will better define problem rather than codes next time.

Thanks

crystalworks 07-20-2021 10:01 AM

Much appreciated. Most of us here don't go by "P" codes anymore but use the more specific BMW codes that more capable code readers pull out of the modules.

X5chemist 07-20-2021 10:25 AM

An experienced mechanic knows those code by heart.
Did you pull the plug? I've seen individual plugs fail. You can move the coil pack to another location or ohm it with a voltmeter. Compare ohm reading between coil packs. You can do the same for fuel injectors. One cylinder miss fire will cause other cylinders to misfire even though other cylinders may be okay. The P0303 is where I would look the most for troubleshooting. MAF and air intake leaks are very common causes.

FREE100KSECRET 07-20-2021 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by crystalworks (Post 1207038)
Much appreciated. Most of us here don't go by "P" codes anymore but use the more specific BMW codes that more capable code readers pull out of the modules.

Thanks, I only wish I had more specific BMW code reader. Bought the IMPA disc, but have yet to find an old XP laptop to install it on. Live and learn, will be more specific in the future.

FREE100KSECRET 07-20-2021 11:31 AM

Misfire and Injector Circuit Open Issues 2,3,4 cylinders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by X5chemist (Post 1207042)
An experienced mechanic knows those code by heart.
Did you pull the plug? I've seen individual plugs fail. You can move the coil pack to another location or ohm it with a voltmeter. Compare ohm reading between coil packs. You can do the same for fuel injectors. One cylinder miss fire will cause other cylinders to misfire even though other cylinders may be okay. The P0303 is where I would look the most for troubleshooting. MAF and air intake leaks are very common causes.

Thanks, have owned a dozen BMW's over the years, and I went by the misfire injector open issue, so ordered an injector seeing that it was specific code, but I will double check coil anyhow while I check further. Given one cylinder misfire can impact others, will check the original #3 injector and replace, but while I have fuel rail off, will check the other injectors to see what the readings are. So thanks again, never had this issue in all the years working on these BMW's.

crystalworks 07-20-2021 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by X5chemist (Post 1207042)
An experienced mechanic knows those code by heart.

I absolutely agree any pro mechanic working on many brands would.should know them by heart. My exception those who, like me (and probably many of any BMW forums members) who are not pros, only work on BMWs, and were forced to buy a BMW specific tool a long time ago. So P codes haven't been seen in a LONG time (at least 10 years and as many BMWs in my case). :dunno:

Sorry OP for the slight OT. But your misfire situation is definitely one all of us have gone through at some point on a BMW. It's usually vacuum related but at times can be ignition system (least probably in my experience is fuel supply). If you have access, your short term and long term fuel trim data would be helpful with diagnose by some of the more technically minded members.

When I have misfires, especially at certain mileages, I tend to take the shotgun approach to it and replace all coils/plugs, vacuum lines, crank case breather components, valve cover gaskets, etc, etc. It usually costs more (sometimes a lot more) but saves time on diagnosis and "resets" the clock for another ~100k miles before I'll need to worry about misfires again.

FREE100KSECRET 07-20-2021 06:34 PM

MISFIRES and INJECTOR CIRCUIT ISSUES
 
Thanks, I will start checking for the issue, just thought someone would have had exact same issue, not just random misfires, but specific 2.33 and 4 injector circuits. Will check further and post results.

cn90 07-20-2021 07:19 PM

Multiple misfire codes:

- Air leak, check again and again.

- Bad ignition coil, but usually just 1-2 bad coils.

- Spark Plugs getting old...

- Bad gasoline (contaminated with water).

FREE100KSECRET 09-02-2021 11:21 AM

MULTIPLE OPEN INJECTOR CIRCUIT & MISFIRES
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cn90 (Post 1207085)
Multiple misfire codes:

- Air leak, check again and again.

- Bad ignition coil, but usually just 1-2 bad coils.

- Spark Plugs getting old...

- Bad gasoline (contaminated with water).

Thanks, thought about gas as a friend just had that issue given so much rain in area, gas station tanks may have been leaking in water. Put Heet in tank just in case, not change. Engine will start, but will not accelerate normally, so with 4 cylinders suddenly throwing codes, and it was running great, I am stumped. Checked for vacuum leaks, intake manifold ports sprayed with starter fluid to see if any change. No luck, problem started with just #3 with open injector circuit and misfire and only occasionally, so I put in injector cleaner in tank and it was fine for another 500 miles or so, and now 4 cylinders have same codes, so any ideas what could cause this, I checked for shorts in wire harness injectors from DME, no change.

ahlem 09-02-2021 04:39 PM

Also check your compression across all cylinders. I had engine misfire codes and the cause was a bad head gasket.

FREE100KSECRET 09-02-2021 06:04 PM

RANDOM MISFIRES AND OPEN INJECTION CIRCUIT
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ahlem (Post 1209056)
Also check your compression across all cylinders. I had engine misfire codes and the cause was a bad head gasket.

Thanks, I will check compression, but given engine ran so strong with no issues, great performance, MPG great, no indication of typical compression issues, but I will check it out, thanks.

oldskewel 09-02-2021 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FREE100KSECRET (Post 1207005)
Curious, I had first a PO303 code and PO300 which was occasional, put fuel injector cleaner and it seemed to help, but came back, and no same codes on 2.3.4 cylinder, So what would cause this suddenly, checked connections and harnesses, ordered injector when #3 acted up, but I feel it is something else. Any ideas?
Thanks,

First off, the codes you're seeing probably have zeros where you are typing the letter "O." The letter O is wrong. The zero is right. So when you google it, if you use the letter O, you'll be finding "answers" from someone who at the least made that mistake, and may be making others as well. Google with the digit zero, and you'll be starting from a better place.

So google for P0302, not PO302. And sure, you might find anecdotal info about someone who had a particular component failure, it gave a P0302 code, they read it and posted it as PO302, and before you know it, it becomes internet fact that a PO302 means that particular component is bad. But like most internet facts, that would be wrong.

My understanding from cars in general (including BMWs), is that a P030# code indicates a misfire on cylinder number #. Simple as that. P0300 is a general misfire code meaning that one or more cylinders is misfiring. A bunch of the comments so far in this thread saying otherwise do directly contradict what I'm saying here.

The misfire codes themselves do not attempt to tell you what is causing the misfires, just that misfires are occurring. More specifically, misfires are typically detected by measuring the timing of the crankshaft rotation very accurately (for misfire detection purposes). The CPS or crankshaft position sensor does this.

If a misfire occurs, the piston will not see as much combustion pressure as it should, so the torque on the crankshaft will be a little less, so the time for crank rotation through that cylinder's angle will be a little longer, which the CPS will measure. If that is found to happen reliably enough, the ECU will declare a misfire on a particular cylinder, maybe turn on the Service Engine Soon light, set codes, go to a limp mode, etc.

At that point, you may be on your own to find what is causing the misfire(s) - there may or may not be other codes to guide you (e.g., a lean mixture code). Another complicating factor is that the detection is sometimes not accurate about isolating which cylinder is bad. Accuracy seems to vary with engine types - I'm not sure how accurate it is on these M54s. So you can have a single cylinder problem (for example a flaky ignition coil on #2) that may result in crank rotation speed variations that will cause misfire codes on multiple cylinders, even though the actual problem is only on that #2. So if your problem started with a single P030# code, and now you have a few of them, it could just be that your one isolated problem has become worse rather than that it is spreading.

This is all general stuff. Sorry, I have no "answer" for you.

FREE100KSECRET 09-02-2021 09:35 PM

Misfire and injection circuit open on multiple cylinders
 
Thanks, could be a zero and not the letter, I can't see the difference on my scanner, but the problem is the random misfires and injection circuit open is the problem.

PalmSpringsE534.6 09-02-2021 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FREE100KSECRET (Post 1207046)
Thanks, I only wish I had more specific BMW code reader. Bought the IMPA disc, but have yet to find an old XP laptop to install it on. Live and learn, will be more specific in the future.

You can install INPA on Windows 10 (run it in Compatability Mode). :). I have INPA on my MacBook Pro with Parallels running Win10. No issues except that when you plug in the DCAN cable to the USB port, Parallels will ask if you want to connect it to MacOS or to Windows.

FREE100KSECRET 09-03-2021 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by PalmSpringsE534.6 (Post 1209071)
You can install INPA on Windows 10 (run it in Compatability Mode). :). I have INPA on my MacBook Pro with Parallels running Win10. No issues except that when you plug in the DCAN cable to the USB port, Parallels will ask if you want to connect it to MacOS or to Windows.

Thanks a million, never heard that before, and always wondered why all these companies who sell the INPA always say works only on XP, and here I have been sitting on this issue for months, so thank you, not being a computer person, is Parallels a program that also must be downloaded, never heard of it? Thanks again, I appreciate it.

I have looked into it and since I don't have a mac, which is what it is used on to install win 10, I was wondering if it is also needed when you are not using a mac laptop?

ahlem 09-03-2021 07:31 AM

With your scanner properly installed, you should be able to turn off specific injectors one at a time and notice a difference. Very helpful.

PalmSpringsE534.6 09-03-2021 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FREE100KSECRET (Post 1209086)
Thanks a million, never heard that before, and always wondered why all these companies who sell the INPA always say works only on XP, and here I have been sitting on this issue for months, so thank you, not being a computer person, is Parallels a program that also must be downloaded, never heard of it? Thanks again, I appreciate it.

I have looked into it and since I don't have a mac, which is what it is used on to install win 10, I was wondering if it is also needed when you are not using a mac laptop?

Parallels is only needed on a Mac to allow it to easily run Windows on demand. If you are not on a Mac...no need for it.


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