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Factory6speed 11-04-2024 12:00 PM

Climate control buttons. Analog retrofit?
 
I have the digital climate controls. The large rocker button for the fan speed - / + is broken and often falls off. Yesterday it fell down through the ashtray thing below, I tried to get it but failed and it fell further down into the depths of the center transmission tunnel area.

I can barely see it. I think if I put something sticky on a coat hanger I might be able to get it.

But I'm done with this. I don't like the panel anyway as changing from hot to cold is about 65 button presses.

I think this is a common problem, and I looked earlier at repair options and just ended up being confused. It seemed really hard and worse to attempt to repair these buttons. :confused:

Is there a good way to fix this short of replacing the entire control unit? If I have to replace the entire unit I believe there is a nice analog one from some rare earlier models with three dials. I would rather just get that and put that in but I imagine this would require some coding and potentially other changes? Does anybody know?

gjvah 11-04-2024 02:13 PM

Have you considered something like this perhaps?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/11284342717...3ABFBMoOWIht9k

Clavurion 11-04-2024 06:37 PM

It's automatic AC. I barely never need to touch the panel. Why would you need constant button pushing?

wpoll 11-04-2024 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Clavurion (Post 1241780)
It's automatic AC. I barely never need to touch the panel. Why would you need constant button pushing?

Same here. I set a temp. that is comfortable and let it do it's thing. I occasionally change the center vent air stratify control from Hot to Cold (or vice versa) but that's it.

My wife's Tiguan has similar controls... and when I ride with her, there's approx. forty-seven button presses before we've left the garage... :rolleyes:

Clavurion 11-04-2024 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wpoll (Post 1241781)
Same here. I set a temp. that is comfortable and let it do it's thing. I occasionally change the center vent air stratify control from Hot to Cold (or vice versa) but that's it.

Exactly! You just set the temp once in a life or maybe slight seasonal adjustment. Mostly keep the center face vent wheel on the red (same temp on face vents like from the other vents) or if you need colder (for example on direct sunlight) go to more blueish setting. That's it. Though I have to say that the automatic AC is not as good as on E39 (on that I made the setting 15 years ago and didn't need to touch it since) mostly because of E53's huge window area affecting things.

BimmerBreaker 11-05-2024 12:20 AM

Retrofitting the analog HVAC panel is not straightforward, it is a lot more involved than replacing the panel and it is absolutely a significant downgrade. You will have to source the manual control mechanisms for the blend doors and then take the dash apart to install them.

I am pretty sure you can just hold the button down to cycle through fan speed or temps faster or at least, without multiple single presses... Better yet, as others mentioned, is just to set it to a temp you like and let the "AUTO" do it's thing. It will adjust fan speed as necessary to get the temp where you placed it.

There are also OE, and aftermarket, replacement buttons and panels available.

Themoog 11-05-2024 02:11 AM

Mines been left set at 22°c for the last 10 years and I've never changed it. Work's as it should.

EODguy 11-05-2024 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Themoog (Post 1241788)
Mines been left set at 22°c for the last 10 years and I've never changed it. Work's as it should.

Mine has been at 16c and I still sweat like a whore in church.

Although that could just be me living in a desert...[emoji848]

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X5chemist 11-05-2024 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by EODguy (Post 1241790)
Mine has been at 16c and I still sweat like a whore in church. Although that could just be me living in a desert...[emoji848]
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What are your vent temps? :wow:


Ha, the same thing happened to my heat button. Remove the ash trash. The button is underneath it. It doesn't fall down onto the trans tunnel. I ordered a button set off ebay. As buttons fall off, I replace them.

EODguy 11-05-2024 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by X5chemist (Post 1241794)
What are your vent temps? :wow:





Ha, the same thing happened to my heat button. Remove the ash trash. The button is underneath it. It doesn't fall down onto the trans tunnel. I ordered a button set off ebay. As buttons fall off, I replace them.

Mine stays between 59f-63f depending on outside temperatures and if humidity gets over 13%

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getty150 11-05-2024 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Factory6speed (Post 1241775)
I have the digital climate controls. The large rocker button for the fan speed - / + is broken and often falls off. Yesterday it fell down through the ashtray thing below, I tried to get it but failed and it fell further down into the depths of the center transmission tunnel area.



I can barely see it. I think if I put something sticky on a coat hanger I might be able to get it.



But I'm done with this. I don't like the panel anyway as changing from hot to cold is about 65 button presses.



I think this is a common problem, and I looked earlier at repair options and just ended up being confused. It seemed really hard and worse to attempt to repair these buttons. :confused:



Is there a good way to fix this short of replacing the entire control unit? If I have to replace the entire unit I believe there is a nice analog one from some rare earlier models with three dials. I would rather just get that and put that in but I imagine this would require some coding and potentially other changes? Does anybody know?

While attempting to change the appearance of the panel I thought that removing the buttons would make the process much simpler and cleaner... I was unsuccessful due to the fact that in no way short of damaging the unit was I going to remove those buttons...damn you BMW! You think of everything![emoji123][emoji38]

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X5chemist 11-05-2024 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EODguy (Post 1241796)
Mine stays between 59f-63f depending on outside temperatures and if humidity gets over 13%

Ya need some tint! What about winter vent temps? Work on mine blows 40F air. When temps are cool, it can drop to 36-38F. Not sure how accurate the cooking thermostat is at low temps. :confused:

Factory6speed 11-05-2024 01:46 PM

Thanks guys. I was able to retrieve the button from some deep crevice in the carpet. A piece of claybar on the coat hanger got it.

I didn't know the analog panel is totally different, non automatic system. That makes sense. I won't be doing all that work of course. I couldn't even find the panel to buy so far. Bummer, as that would be nice.

I can't find the page now, but there was a guide I think for e39, putting the individual buttons on the panel, and it seemed not worth attempting. He had all kinds of knives and glue on the table. I guess it's hard to do.

The entire face panel is about $75, I will probably suck it up and get this https://www.bimmerworld.com/BMW-Inte...116915812.html

In the morning it is freezing cold, so I crank the heat to 80/25 something to get warm. I then start sweating like a whore in church, so down to 60/15 something. then I end up in the middle. I will try to just leave it around 70/20.

PropellerHead 11-05-2024 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gjvah (Post 1241777)
Have you considered something like this perhaps?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/11284342717...3ABFBMoOWIht9k

Pure garbage. I bought those crappy buttons this year. They do not look like stock. They are 3D printed garbage. Stay away

BimmerBreaker 11-05-2024 03:15 PM

There's really no need to turn it up when it's cold or down when it's hot. The "auto" will take care of that and will adjust fan speed and output temp to reach the desired temp. Ie. If you set it at 70 and it's 40 in the car it won't just blow 70 degree air, it'll blow ~80 or max temp air until around 70 then adjust temp and fan speed to maintain that temp. That's the whole point of the "auto" function.

The only time I ever deviate from leaving it on auto is when it's really hot in the car I'll press MAX for Max a/c then once it cools a bit I'll put it back to auto. That's just two button presses though.

Clavurion 11-05-2024 05:34 PM

I just remembered the good old days when you could buy the original button set from BWM and what came in the package was a full front panel with just some yellow paint on the fascia which you could easily clean and install the full front panel on fraction of the price of the actual front panel which was also available.

BimmerBreaker 11-05-2024 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Clavurion (Post 1241810)
I just remembered the good old days when you could buy the original button set from BWM and what came in the package was a full front panel with just some yellow paint on the fascia which you could easily clean and install the full front panel on fraction of the price of the actual front panel which was also available.

Part number 64116924315
Still available

Clavurion 11-05-2024 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BimmerBreaker (Post 1241811)
Part number 64116924315
Still available

Actually the part number is 64116915812. But yeah it seems to be available again.

https://www.baum-bmwshop24.de/catalo...view/id/100360

https://static.schmiedmann.dk/Produc..._10485_big.jpg

PropellerHead 11-05-2024 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Factory6speed (Post 1241775)
It seemed really hard and worse to attempt to repair these buttons. :confused:

We had the manual HAVC controls on a non-premium package '01 3.0. I loved it. Reminded me of the E24's, E28's from the 80's.

EODguy 11-05-2024 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5chemist (Post 1241800)
Ya need some tint! What about winter vent temps? Work on mine blows 40F air. When temps are cool, it can drop to 36-38F. Not sure how accurate the cooking thermostat is at low temps. :confused:

I wouldn't mind tint, but I work as an advisor at their military HQ and tint is forbidden. I sometimes get the random deep inspection at the gate and I'm surprised that I don't have to sing a couple of verses of Moon River..... [emoji28]

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Fifty150hs 11-10-2024 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Factory6speed (Post 1241775)
I have the digital climate controls. The large rocker button for the fan speed - / + is broken and often falls off. Yesterday it fell down through the ashtray thing below, I tried to get it but failed and it fell further down into the depths of the center transmission tunnel area.

I can barely see it. I think if I put something sticky on a coat hanger I might be able to get it.

But I'm done with this. I don't like the panel anyway as changing from hot to cold is about 65 button presses.

I think this is a common problem, and I looked earlier at repair options and just ended up being confused. It seemed really hard and worse to attempt to repair these buttons. :confused:

Is there a good way to fix this short of replacing the entire control unit? If I have to replace the entire unit I believe there is a nice analog one from some rare earlier models with three dials. I would rather just get that and put that in but I imagine this would require some coding and potentially other changes? Does anybody know?

Replacement buttons are available. I purchased some when a couple of mine kept falling off. Popped the new ones on and was good to go.


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