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ChiefRider 01-27-2025 02:20 PM

Tail Lamp Inoperative- Bad Ground?
 
My lower left rear lamp has stopped functioning. The bulb is fine, so I am guessing the problem may be a bad ground, but where to begin searching? Has anyone else had the same specific issue, or a good place to begin looking?

Thanks!

80stech 01-27-2025 02:28 PM

These are infamous for problems with the bulb holder contacts and there is a lot of info about a couple of methods on how to repair posted here.

ajgregory3tr 01-27-2025 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRider (Post 1243139)
My lower left rear lamp has stopped functioning. The bulb is fine, so I am guessing the problem may be a bad ground, but where to begin searching? Has anyone else had the same specific issue, or a good place to begin looking?



Thanks!

I have the same ongoing problem and have found it it to be a bad connection between bulb and pcb. I renewed the bulb holders which sorted one of the bulbs, but still have intermittent problem with the other side. On an earlier 320 of the same era I found the earth to light unit failure to be the source of the problem.

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80stech 01-27-2025 03:08 PM

There are a couple of different ways to go about the repair but I used the solder method, putting on a bit of acid core solder on to the contact strips has been a permanent fix for probably 10 years! ;)

andrewwynn 01-27-2025 08:22 PM

That's a lot quicker than my fix. As long as the contact is good after so it stops generating heat from high resistance it should be a permanent fix.

I restored the spring contacts to factory position by adding metal screws and bending the ends to reset the height of the contact.

The solder method likely is a lower resistance contact since the factory solution is zinc plated steel which is a terrible conductor.

If i had to do again I'd do both, but it doesn't need to be back to factory. The solder bump puts the contact where the lamp expects it with a lot less work.

wpoll 01-27-2025 08:48 PM

I've found solder on BOTH the steel/zinc plate and the small contact tabs on the bulb holders works best (longest!).

haigha 01-27-2025 09:45 PM

Last fall, after 21 years without issues, I used Andrew's fix when the running light wasn't working on one side (the brake light would still come on). But, I noticed both sides were humming loudly. It seemed like it was going to be an ongoing battle.

After inspection, I changed out the whole set of four for about $120 on Amazon. The third party set uses standard sockets. Plus I got lightly smoked ones which look more modern to me.

wpoll 01-28-2025 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by haigha (Post 1243149)
... I changed out the whole set of four for about $120 on Amazon. The third party set uses standard sockets. Plus I got lightly smoked ones which look more modern to me.

I have yet to see a set of aftermarket tail lights that are correctly configured (wired) for the LCI cars (and I have looked...). They may exist, but I have yet to see any...

Be aware that the LCI tail lights are wired differently from pre-facelifts tail lights and use different bulbs etc.

ChiefRider 01-28-2025 12:14 PM

Thanks guys. I had played around with the bulb holder, cleaning the contact faces and bending them up a bit. I also found a couple other threads here, and looks like I'll be diving deeper into the tail lamp unit.

haigha 01-28-2025 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wpoll (Post 1243150)
I have yet to see a set of aftermarket tail lights that are correctly configured (wired) for the LCI cars (and I have looked...). They may exist, but I have yet to see any...

Be aware that the LCI tail lights are wired differently from pre-facelifts tail lights and use different bulbs etc.


These are the ones I bought, Wayne:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07N8G4SQN

They are wired correctly for my 04 4.4i. They even included wiring and sockets for the rear fogs (though I don't have them so can't say that the wiring works for them in particular).

One of the plugs was difficult to insert... I had to bend the pins inside the connector.

80stech 01-28-2025 12:51 PM

It's too bad so many little corners were cut on the newer BMWs. The E30 was still made in Germany and used better materials and grease on the contacts.

wpoll 01-28-2025 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by haigha (Post 1243153)
These are the ones I bought, Wayne:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07N8G4SQN

They are wired correctly for my 04 4.4i. They even included wiring and sockets for the rear fogs (though I don't have them so can't say that the wiring works for them in particular).

One of the plugs was difficult to insert... I had to bend the pins inside the connector.

Good to hear they work but the giveaway here is they are listed to work with cards from 2000-2006, which indicates a lack of consideration for the lighting changes introduced in Sept. 2003 with the LCI update.

How many of the rear red sections are lit up when the lights or on (not braking)? All four or just two? LCI cars use all four rear sections as low-intensity tail lights, the lower two red sections as high-intensity brake lights (normal braking) and all four red sections as high-intensity brake lights (rapid brake application/ABS activated etc.)

I wonder if this force-dependent braking feature works with these? Hard to check/test! :dunno:

The best feature of these aftermarket tails is they do away with the poor steel/zinc lamp circuit connections! :thumbup:

haigha 01-28-2025 05:04 PM

I just double-checked and all four red lights on the outer sections come on with running lights on. I know the regular brake lights work, but haven't had an opportunity to verify that the high-intensity ones do. I expect they will since I'm using the same bulb type as before and the wiring is the same.

I used LEDs for the indicator and reversing lights. They're super-bright and more than make up for the moderately smoked out lenses.

Mine is a 10/03 build LCI. I can't say for sure that these lights will work for subsequent revisions.

The best feature for me is that they make the rear of the car look much more modern :)

Clockwork 01-28-2025 08:08 PM

https://xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-forums/...light-fix.html

Have a read, see the pics, buy the part, all fixed.


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