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Masospaghetti 08-15-2025 12:06 AM

Noisy engine when cold starting, sometimes
 
Any common culprits that would cause a noisy cold engine? Sounds like lifters, goes away after a second or two once oil pressure builds. It doesn't always do it, either. I heard there were some o-rings and a check valve that might go bad. Would a bad tensioner also do this?

EODguy 08-15-2025 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Masospaghetti (Post 1246046)
Any common culprits that would cause a noisy cold engine? Sounds like lifters, goes away after a second or two once oil pressure builds. It doesn't always do it, either. I heard there were some o-rings and a check valve that might go bad. Would a bad tensioner also do this?

Dirty filter screens in the vanos are a distinct possibility...

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Homerlovesbeer 08-15-2025 02:35 AM

I was also going to mention Vanos system oil pressure

andrewwynn 08-15-2025 04:36 AM

When my engine was cold it always ticked a bit while the lifters and chain tensioner primed, but what i noticed is it took a lot of time i was low on oil.

Masospaghetti 08-15-2025 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by EODguy (Post 1246047)
Dirty filter screens in the vanos are a distinct possibility...

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Where are the vanos filter screens?

EODguy 08-15-2025 09:29 AM

N52, I'll look for the M54 and N62 in a bit. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f6fd9026c4.jpg

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EODguy 08-15-2025 09:42 AM

I believe the M54 (no personal experience) have a non-replaceable permanent screen. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...894dcc2e7b.jpg

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80stech 08-15-2025 09:42 AM

There are some times that there is too much clearance in the thrust brgs for the vanos and there is a kit available to fix it, I haven't had this happen (I don't think) and don't know how similar the sound would be but you could maybe find an example on you-tube. If it's only for a second or 2 I wouldn't worry about it much other than it might be nice just to know what it is.

andrewwynn 08-15-2025 09:46 AM

My M54s both used to lifer tick pretty obvious for about two seconds when cold starting.

When my oil got low, that would last 5-6 seconds.

If this is what's happening i believe is normal.

Masospaghetti 08-17-2025 12:34 AM

I checked the oil and it was a bit low, added maybe a quart. Noise went away for now? Seems to have done the trick although I don't really understand it.

X5chemist 08-17-2025 09:46 AM

Mine did the same thing until I added some Liqui Moly MOSO4. Still ticks if I let sit a few days without starting it.

andrewwynn 08-17-2025 09:49 AM

It's pretty harmless to have the "lifters" tap a little while oil pressure fills them up.

The check valves hold oil in the head which helps a bunch but longer wait between starts will cause more tick of course

andrewwynn 08-17-2025 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Masospaghetti (Post 1246083)
I checked the oil and it was a bit low, added maybe a quart. Noise went away for now? Seems to have done the trick although I don't really understand it.


It will only usually present on a cold start. In my car with m54 motor, my oil level sender was broken so i never got a low oil warning. 5-6 second tick at cold start was my warning.

The lifters are filled with oil pressure. When oil is low it makes a little less oil pressure and takes longer to build so the lifter tick lasts a while when cold engine.

It's mostly harmless. Engine is not under load.

workingonit 08-17-2025 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by X5chemist (Post 1246088)
Mine did the same thing until I added some Liqui Moly MOSO4. Still ticks if I let sit a few days without starting it.

Is this even after you used 5w-40 Castrol Euro oil (IIRC, you're using it, same as me)?

Also, do you mean LM MOS02, not 04 (which I can't find listed in their product line)?

My engine presently doesn't have much of a tick at all, but at 212k miles, it sure couldn't hurt to have that additive ready to add at my next oil change.




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X5chemist 08-17-2025 11:22 AM

LM MOS02, yes, I'm running Castrol 5/40 A3/B4. Keyboard has sticky keys today. :bustingup

I just did an oil change. I can tell the difference between a 5k mile and fresh oil engine sound. The M54 responds so well to fresh oil.

80stech 08-17-2025 11:26 AM

It's more to with fact you are adding some fresh oil which helps rather than the level being down a bit.


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