Recommendations for replacement tires on a 4.6is?
 

I've read here the Toyo's seem to get loud after a few thousand miles. I haven't read much about the Yokohama's or the Latitude Michellins. Any feed-back on these tires? Any other tires to consider? Continental?

Pirelli, you can't go wrong with Pirelli

I had Toyo summer tires on before this winter when I switched to Pirelli and I like the Pirelli's much better. Granted those were winter tires, but Pirelli is great overall.

Try the Scorpion Zero

Very happy with the Yokohama Advan ST. Very quiet, nice ride and good grip in dry & wet.

If you can swing it, get the Diamaris. They are the best, but also the most expensive. I am curious to hear more about the Yoko's also though.

Toyo Proxes!! I had them on my Expedition and loved them. Great tread design too. I did not think they were loud at all.

People have said they become noisey after a few thousand miles.

The Yokohama AVS ST's seemed to wear quickly for me. I went through a set in under 20k miles. (Normal driving, nothing crazy!)

I really do like the Toyo's. I swear they are not loud! Mine were not skinny little tires either, 285's. I put about 10k miles on them.

Would you really want to put something from Costco on your Bimmer?

Why not? Mics Diamaris is the same tire no matter if you buy them from Costco, Tirerack or any other dealer. I've checked local Costco store in Canada, but it is way more then I can get them online. Staggered 20" set will cost me around $1,800 + TAX Canadian. It is about $1,700 USD.

From what I've been reading Diamaris is the best tires for X5.

meh, I just don't like american brand tires...just my opinion

That is a VERY ignorant statement. How old are you, 16? or are you just super rich like Oprah, who didn't even know stores like Costco's existed. Talk about pathetic.

Do you know anything about Costco? They have very modern machines for balancing tires and offer nitrogen filling. They also automatically come with a tire protection plan and free patches. So how's a Diamaris from Costco different than on from TireRack?

This is getting pathetic. It's a FRENCH company.

lol, woah there, it was just an opinion. I've actually been to Costco plenty of times, and they are great for household items (especially steak oddly enough), I just wouldn't buy anything there for my Bimmer...same thing with Best Buy, great store, I just learned from experience that the things they sell there aren't up to the caliber of the car. I suppose it all depends on taste

Ok, my bad, I was wrong about their origin...I'll hold back statements about the french...but I still am not a fan of...let me rephrase...the brands which are popular in the states (Dunlop, Michelin, Goodyear, BF Goodrich, whatever) I prefer the technology of the like of Toyo and Pirelli

I apologize if I offended anyone, just an opinion

What do you like better about the Pirelli? Did you find noise an issue at all with the Toyo's?

(I take back all the evil things I said about you due to the "sounded like you were to good to buy tires at Costco" comment.:nanana: )

Hmm, to be honest I liked the Toyo just as much just for different purposes. The Pirelli's are awesome, in nice weather they are grippy, cushy, and pretty quiet, however like I said they are winter tires, and they are incredible in the snow, nothing beats the comfort in driving in a blizard just like you would in nice weather. The Toyo's I would say were better in nice weather but at even a flake of snow were horrendous, I didn't really have any problems with noise but they were noticably stiffer, granted I don't really care about ride comfort and they were better handling wise (I felt safer in normal weather).

Honestly, I would go with the Pirelli's because the Toyo (and from what I've experienced other Toyos aren't great in the snow) but the Pirelli's are great in the snow and considering your replacing your tires now and in two months or so you'll be worrying about snow...

Also realize, mine are Pirelli Scorpion Ice and Snow, so they obviously would be great in the snow...I don't know they perform just great in normal weather but some may be against using winter tires in non winter circumstances. I have been away all summer so it worked out ok (I also live in Rochester NY where Ice and Snow are like grass...)

WTF are you talking about. I dont mean to be an asshole. But are you telling this guy he should buy snow tires and use them year round even in summer. Are you an idiot. That not even safe. as soon as it gets hot out they handle like shit and wear out 10 times faster than they do in the cold. Also pirreli doesnt even make that tire or any tire for that matter in the Size that the 4.6 needs. If you cant give good advice dont give any at all. Someone might actually believe you. I have scorpions for the winter and compared to my regular tires they handle like shit as soon as it gets over 60 degrees out.

"Also realize, mine are Pirelli Scorpion Ice and Snow, so they obviously would be great in the snow...I don't know, they perform just great in normal weather but some may be against using winter tires in non winter circumstances."

It's coming on September btw, when I put my Scorpions on it was september. I also recommended PIRELLI and the Scorpion ZERO not the Ice and Snow, those are just what I have. I really don't notice them handling like crap when "it gets over 60." They handle just fine year round. Also in my circumstances there is more often snow and ice on the ground then not.

As far as the advice comment goes, I only offer my opinion, and state that it is an opinion, you can chose to follow it or take it as crap. That's up to you

Oh and just for the record "- UHP -
Ideal for high speed motorway driving. Exceptional comfort, precision handling and excellent traction in extreme conditions. Maximum performance with maximum safety. Supreme choice for alloy wheel conversions." -from Pirelli site

The Zeros aren't winter tires, and in my posts I mentioned many times "granted mine are winter tires"

Pirelli does not make any tire even the scorpion zero that fits on the 4.6 is so pirreli is not an option at all for the 4.6

yes I just checked that I apologize, that still doesn't make my statements about Pirelli untrue.

Then I retract my recommendation and recommend Toyo...? flame me?

Im not gonna flame you. But seriously its not good to drive winter tires in the summer and if you think they handle just as good in the winter as they do in they summer you must drive like someones grandmother. the difference is night and day and thats a fact. Winter tires have a totally different rubber tread compound that is only designed to work well in cold weather. hot weather causes them to deteriorate quickly wear faster and eventually become a hazard. ask your local tire shop or anyone else on this board. By the way i lve 1.5 hours from rochester and get as much snow as you do and it definately is less days without snow than with snow. Basically you need snow tires dec to feb 3 months a year.

lol, I don't drive like your grandmother...I actually drive agressively, probably too aggressively...but in any case, once again what I recommended were the Zeros...which are not winter tires, I got the Scorpion Ice and Snow because I mainly use my car in the winter (during the summer I'm either at some sort of conference or taking classes across the country)

To me, they feel fine in the summer, like I said the Toyo's felt better, but whatever...opinion

I'd say november to april (considering we had a blizard in april...) and extend that to university months and it works out perfectly for me...

Yea but how often do we get a blizzard? Listen just dont drive on snows at least in june thru aug. Its just not good

:iagree: With or without the rebate, Costco offers the best deal at the present.

Tirerack.com
255/50VR19 Michelin 4x4 Diamaris.............$468.00
285/45VR19 Michelin 4x4 Diamaris.............$504.00
Road Hazard Program for 255/50VR19 Diamaris...$56.16
Road Hazard Program for 285/45VR19 Diamaris...$60.48
Shipping......................................$79. 24
Tax...........................................$ 0.00
Excise Tax....................................$ 0.00
State Waste Tire Fund Fee.....................$ 0.00
Purchase Total..............................$1167.88
Estimated Local Install/Tire Disposal........$100.00
Tirerack Total Cost........................$1,267.88

Costco.com
Michelin Diamaris 255/50VR19.................$485.98
Michelin Diamaris 285/45VR19.................$523.98
Installation/Road Hazard......................$40.00
State Tire Fee- California.....................$7.00
Disposal Fee...................................$4.00
Tire Rack Total............................$1,060.96
Shipping...................................... $0.00
Sales Tax.....................................$83.65
Total Cost.................................$1,144.61
Less Costco Discount..........................$60.00
Net Costco Price...........................$1,084.61

Savings......................................$183. 27

There's no arguing with dollars and cents. Another plus is that Costco's road hazard warranty covers 60 months versus Tirerack's 36 months.

The Michelin Latitude Tour HP's are brand new to the market (June 2006) and are billed as performance all-season tires. The treadwear rating is AA vs. the Diamari's A, treadlife is AA vs. the Diamari's A. It's probably a plusher riding tire (think more MXV4-like than Pilot-like), but unfortunately there are no 3rd party reviews that I can find on the web.

Good find! How does the costco $60 off work? Most of the time, they don't carry the proper sizes for 19s and 20s, so this means special order. So, does the $60 off applies even if the tires come in after 9/3/06 (of course the ordered date is prior to 9/3)? I'm actually thinking about the Latitude in 19s.

I wouldn't buy Toyo's again. My first set feathered at 6 or 7k miles. My second set started getting loud after 1k miles. The tires are perfectly balanced...

You buy the tires online at costco.com. The $60 is deducted from the total price during your online transaction. The tires are shipped from the Costco warehouse to the Costco store that you specify. When the tires arrive, they'll contact you, show up for your appointment, and you're done.

I special ordered Michelin Pilot Sports from Costco.com for an E39 2 years ago along with a $100 discount and got a free Sandisk 256MB mini MP3 player as a Michelin rebate. It was a very hassle-free transaction.

I'm interested in the Latitude tires as well, but I have at least another 15-20K left on my Diamaris. The Diamaris is a far more agressive looking tire; the Diarmari's shoulders are more square and have more of a performance look that the Latitudes.

I just purchased yokohama advans for my 20's. They are the best for the money. Michelin is so overpriced for there product. You'll def be satisfied with yokohama.

Agreed, but Yokohama does NOT make any All-Seasons. Some of us only see snow few days during the year (snowboarding trips) and does NOT make sense to have summer tires and a 2nd set of "winter tire/wheel" for that purpose. So, All-Seasons are the best compromise.

Awesome...very good info since I have never bought tires from them (on-line) before.

He was telling someone they should buy snow tires for year round use. That is rediculous and i hate when people give bad advice. Someone might believe it and get screwed somehow. Yea its a bit harsh or maybe your just a bit soft.

Hmm...ok just to clarify, can you quote where I ever said to get SNOW tires for YEAR ROUND use?

I can see from your posts you are an arrogant prick. I really hate douche bags. This will be the last time I bother to respond to you.

The Advans ST would be my second choice, but they aren't as widely available as the Michelins or Toyos. Also the extra weight (6 lbs more than the Diamaris per Tirerack) is a consideration, but perhaps not a deal breaker on an SAV as compared to something like an M3.

Relax...no need for name calling. Although DinanM3 might seem a bit harsh, but he does have a good point. Afterall, this is a public forum. So you have to be able to take critical comments even if they're unkind. Don't expect anyone to sugar-coat anything...that's the only way to get good honest opinions/suggestions/comments.

yokohama advans sp....one of my all time fav tires.

Toyo Proxes have my vote. Best tire for the $$$. Look mean, sound is ok. Ride is even better than I hoped with 20's and they are amazing in the rain.

what company makes an all weather in the stock twenties?

michelin latitudes for your stock 20"s
 

try the new michelin latitudes. i just put on a set. chucker

I'm thinking about Latitudes as well. I think they very close to Diamaris when it comes to look and I can get them about $200 cheaper then Diamaris. I'm talking about 20 incher. Please give us your feedback. Thanks.

latitudes
 

too early to tell on wear. but ride very smooth, quiet, and have grip, and a tread wear of 440 versus dimaris 240 or 280??? chuck

Have you noticed that nearly all the ebay auctions for X5 wheel sets (e.g. AFS) come with Toyo's? My suspicion is because they're probably cheapo tires. If I could find a set of 4.6is style 20's with the Mich Diamari's I'd buy a set in a heartbeat.

My personal preference is to run factory tires...I would NEVER put something like a Yokohama or Toyo or Continental on my X5. When it comes time for me to replace, it will be the Diamari's only.

I have to tell you I had Toyo Proxes on my Expedition which is a 6,000lb truck. The Toyo's were fantastic! Not loud at all, great tread life and great traction. To each his own but that is my experience with the Toyo's.:bmw:

Did you see this on the Costco site?
Speed Rating
Tires will only be installed if the speed rating is the same or higher than the speed rating that the vehicle manufacturer equipped the vehicle with from the factory.

The Latitudes are Rated "106" while the Diamari's are Rated "W". I assume the W is higher.

Also, I checked prices at Costco and see $543.98 for the rears and $437.98 for the fronts (incidently, they have the front's listed twice, once at $218 ea. and once at $252 ea. - not sure why...)

I usually don't take part to your discussions but as I'm in a new tyre choice, I think I can add a useful comment !

Michelin (yes it's french !) is the standard tyre for the 4.6, and was especially built for the car as there was no existing tyre for SAV in 20' dimension. So I consider it's THE reference for this car.

Everyone has to keep in mind that the 4.6 i has an S for Sport !
Then if you think about sports tyres, don't think TOYO !!!

I have Michelin in the front (275/40) and Pirelli (yes, Mr DINANM3 ;) ) at the rear (315/35) : they are P ZERO Rosso and it's an amazing "glue" tyre for the car. BUT, as it's not a tyre for heavy sports car, I can see part of the structure (synthetic cables) of the tyre before the 'gum' wear : too many side efforts, I think.

So, my dilemn was Michelin or Yokohama : I decided to order Yoko because it has good owners'opinions and it's 2/3 the Michelin price !

In the end : Michelin is a very good tyre, but needs to get hot to be efficient. If I couldn't find Yoko, I would have put the Michelin again.
You can also find some Continental or Goodyear (Wrangler F1)... but I think they are not so good, but better than TOYO !!! :rofl:
Hope this helps !

FWIW, Sam's Club pricing info from another thread for Diamaris 19s:

http://www.xoutpost.com/x5-e53-forum/...d=1#post185162

If any admins want to move and merge, fine by me...

Who would let Costco put there tires on there 4.6; unless you don't care about your rims

whats wrong with costco for tires?
 

Seems like a lot of people are down on costco and I don't understand why. They have all the advanced equipment (including nitrogen fill), with very good prices and warranty. Is there some reason I shouldn't trust their techs as much as the ones at tirerack or any other tire shop?

Are the costco haters just being pompous/arrogant and have extra money to burn, or is there some 'real' reason not to go to costco for tires?

Well, I have nothing against Costco. They make profit on a volume and kill many smaller dealers/retailer when it comes to margin. I was in computer hardware industry and was loosing some of my retail business to Coscto. They make 1%-3% margin and I just couldn’t compete with that. For me this kind of margin was not healthy. When you look at them from end user / customer perspective, I don't see any reason why not buying there.

Nothing but IGNORANCE.
People who think Toyo is a cheap tire??? Need to get out of their little world. Go to an M3 foruma and Toyo is the PREFERRED street tire on some of those forums. The level of ignorance on this board is surprising.

It's like Oprah not knowing a place like Costco existed. Just amazing. The equipment they have is better than most tire shops. The people do tires all day, unlike other tire shops that do tune-ups and alignments. I just want opinions on TIRES.

WRONG!
Note that the set asawadude listed are 19s, which are both OEM V rated. Both the Latitudes and Diamari in 20s are rated "W". If anything, the Latitude is slightly better since both front and rear on the Latitude are rated at "106W" as opposed to the Diamari having a rating of "102W" at the front and "106W" at the rear.

Bridgestone Turanza's
 

I'm surprised that no one mentioned the Bridgestone Turanza ER30's. These came stock on some 4.4's with Sport Package and 19" rims. A pretty high performance tire IMO, though I can't compare them to any other tires on the X5's. One turn off is the wear rating which is the lowest of all the spec'd tires for the 4.4. (See below) I don't know if that makes them necessarily higher performance or not, but for certain they do wear pretty quick and from what I can tell, they are the most expensive tire option for that car.

Tire -- Treadwear Rating -- Approx Tire Rack Cost for 4
Bridgestone Turanza ER30 -- 140 -- 1120
Michelin Diamaris -- 220 -- 972
Yokohama ADVAN ST -- 320 -- 802
Continental 4x4 SportContact -- 360 -- 862
Pirelli Scorpion Zero Asimmetrico -- 420 -- 786
Michelin Latitude Tour HP -- 440 -- 960

So Aus.... did you finally buy tires or what????? What did you end up getting?

I think I'll get the Latitudes. I also think I have more time than my dealer said I have, after crawling under the truck to check out the inner edge of the tires. It's a down, but still has a fair amount of tread left, especially since it rarely rains here. Hell, they probably grip better now that the tread is down a bit.

I'll probably flip the tires from side to side get get some more miles out of them. I'm hoping to save on a set of tires before my lease is up.

Aus - if you have Diamaris, you can't rotate them. They are right side/left side specific...

Same Here. I will go for Latitues as well. Will be installing in two weeks.

Yeah, I realize that. If the shop will do it, I'll go through with it. If I can get another 10k miles out of this set, I'll get some new ones and they should have enough tread for the lease return. I HATE having to buy new tires to return a car or get dinged for low tread.

I know they'll be a big poo poo of rotating them, but it's the same rubber from side to side. Just the tread pattern is different, and since I don't drive this car too hard and there's minimal rain here, I feel OK doing it for a little while.

Are we talking about replacement tyres for the 4.6 here ?

Latitude Michelin are winter tyres. Don't you have special wheels for winter ?

Michelin Latitude are NOT winter tires...they are all-season. There's a difference.

I think you are wrong when you say Latitude Tour HP are winter only tires.
As far as I know Latitude Tour HP designed as All Season Tires.

" Two different tread compounds are precisely placed to deliver a great balance of wet, dry, and snow traction, treadwear and fuel economy. "

The rest you can read on their website, here is direct link:
http://www.michelinman.com/overview/...r_hp/3274.html

OK, sorry for the misunderstanding, I thought it wasn't available in the 4.6 tyre size...

Anyway, I don't consider this kind of tyre because we don't have any "winter" season on my island...
I think you will have less sporty behaviour and more tread wear than specific summer tyres (like the Diamaris)... but if you need the winter charateristics, thank's for buying french !!!

The Latitude is available in the 4.6/4.8is sizes and those Latitude SHOULD outlast most summer tires (which usually have softer compound) like the Diamaris (wear rating for the Latitude is 440 compared to 220 for the Diamaris).

Any Idea if 20" Staggered wheels set with Latitude tires will fit 3.0i?

Yes they will fit fine.

Just an update on this.

I finally got around to "flipping" the tires from side to side, but it was too late. The Diamari's were pretty worn on the inside.
I went with Toyo's since they are OEM for the Toureg and Cayanne Turbo. Best of all, they were $530 with tax (8.25%) and installed!!! Costco was $375 for a single Diamaris + tax. The ride is the same and the Toyo's are quieter. We'll see how they last.

Just wanted to let you guys know there are other options that work well.

I'm not sure i want to jump into this thread but man, oh man, there's a lot of dis-information in this thread. Suggest people have FACTS if you're going to state thing like facts..Latitdes as winter tires (all seasons), recomendation of pure winter tires for a staggard fitment on a 4.6.unbelievable..BTW, Toyo is not std tire for Touaregs or Cayenne. I've owned both, and both eat tires like I've never seen. Typically fitments have been Pirelli and Continental. And an earlier reference to the speed rating of W and then reference to 106, here the W is the speed rating and the 106 is the LOAD rating, i.e how much weight the tire is designed to handle. With that said if you like the Toyo's god bless. There are many suitable tires for our X's, as we come no where near the abilities of the tires under standard driving. For all of you who think the Diamaris is the cat's ass, explain why in a recent road and track test, a 4.8is with the std fitrment Diamaris only pulled .78G's on the skidpad but had the widest biggest tires in the test? Worst rating of all the SUV's tested except the Land Rover I believe.....but interestingly, fastest thru the slalom...wierd huh????

[quote=2002Silver4.6is]The Yokohama AVS ST's seemed to wear quickly for me. I went through a set in under 20k miles. (Normal driving, nothing crazy!)

I really do like the Toyo's. I swear they are not loud! Mine were not skinny little tires either, 285's. I put about 10k miles on them.[/quote
i have the toyo's on my too. after 12k miles they not loud at all .i will post some pic how it look after 12k miles.(275-40-20 and 315-35-20)

My new Toyo's are quieter than my worn Diamaris.

This was about the most intelligent post in this entire thread.

:iagree: I would like to hear more on the Yoko's.

I created this chart so you all can compare side-by-side each the most popular tires for the X5 with 20's and 315's. I wasn't able to find any data on the Toyo's, other than they're very inexpensive.

When it comes to selecting 315/35/20 tires, the choices are limited.

Prices/data comes from tirerack.com.

Click here for UTQG explained

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