What happens when...
 

:o You go to upgrade your MkIII version 17.1 to version 24.1, and you put your CD ROM in the NAV and it just keeps making noises every 30 secs and the screen flickers and you wait an hour and still nothin?

:dunno:

I'm assuming the CD that's in the drive at the moment is the V24.1 disk that you burned. Did anything ever come on the screen when you inserted it? Are you able to eject the CD?

It sounds like the drive isn't recognizing the disk you created.

I was standing behind the vehicle when I inserted the CD, there was a message about "CD ROM in" but before I could get to the front to read it, the screen went blank and began to flicker, which led me to beleive it was doin' its thang. However, I seriously waited an hour after following your instructions carefully about the installation and tried to eject the disc and it won't come out. I sounds like it is trying to "seat" the disc every 30 secs or so, the orange arrow on the eject button goes off around the time I hear the noise, then comes back on, but the red power light is not on. :dunno:

What did you use to create the disk? I've done dozens of nav updates, but I've never made a disk using anything other than CloneCD, so that is the only reference point I have.

I used MagicISO, v4.7. I have a Sony VAIO, tried to make the CD with the standard writer but the CD was immediately ejected once I put it into the Nav. The CD player and radio still work as it is now, just a blank screen which continues to flicker. Know of any way to reset the Nav system so it'll spit out that CD?

Your best resource for this type of condition is the experts on the bmwnav group on Yahoo! - http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwnav/

There are multiple past posts on that forum where they've address this. Good Luck!!

You are a heck of a guy, Jeff, thanks for pointing me in that direction. Contributution comin your way, man. Let me know if there's anything I can do for ya while you're in DC with all those kids.

JV

Perhaps have a good bottle of 12 Year Scotch on standby :thumbup:

My system is also a MkIII that i was upgrading from 17.1. The exact same thing happened to me with v24.1. I used Nero to create the disk. I then downloaded CloneCD and made a copy of v23 at 1x write speed and a copy of the Key CD. The second try did the job. I now have the split screen v23 and all seems to work properly.

Dennis

Thanks for that heads up, Dennis. Why did you install v23 instead of v24.1?

I still face the problem with getting the CD out of the Nav, it still won't eject. On top of that, the radio/CD player will turn off after being on for about 2-3mins now. Today it turned off right in the middle of a traffic report, I missed the info and it took me twice as long to get to work! :mad:

Anyone ever taken apart a MkIII Nav before?

JV

First, I recommend that you don't try taking the drive unit apart before you attempt some of the tricks to remove the CD that you'll see on the bmwnav group on Yahoo!

As for installing V23 vs. V24.1, on the MkIII's there is no difference. For MkIII's, installing anything that is V22 or higher will take your drive to the latest OS version, which is 3-1/63.

The updates from V22 through V24.1 have all been specifically for the MkIV drives.

Cool. Thanks, Jeff. Still waiting for that Yahoo group to let me in, hopefully sometime soon. By the way, would you recommend an upgrade to an MkIV? I've seen them for about $850 on ebay.

JV

Edit: I found some useful info here- http://www.bimmerboard.com/forums/bmwnav

Absolutely!! I am very glad I did the upgrade from the MkIII to the MkIV. :thumbup:

JV

I tried v23 beacuse I was not sure if it was a version problem or a disk burning problem, so I tried changing both. I read two possible methods for ejecting the stuck disk:
1) Hold the eject button while turning the ignition on.
2) Disconnect the cable from the unit then hold the eject button while reconnecting the unit.

Hopefully this will work. I know it scared the crap out of me when the screen went blank/flickering.

Good luck

Dennis

Same thing happened to my friend's X5 when I tried to help him upgrade his MKIV to v24.1. The screen went blank and stayed blank for hours. We tried and tried and finally were able to get it to eject the disk. We downloaded the other version of v24.1 (I think the .iso one) and use Nero Ultra Suite 6.6 to burn and it worked like a charm. We didn't have to burn it at 1x, but did burn it at 48x.

I read it somewhere that you may want to use a quality CDR, and not a cheap one. Our first try was a cheap CDR and then we tried the TDK on the 2nd try.

Thanks a lot for that info, gives me hope. As of now, my screen is still black and flickering, and the radio/CD will only stay on for 3 mins.

After repeated attempts to remove the CD by turning off and on while the holding the eject button, disconnecting the blue harness and reconnecting while holding the eject button, :mad: I eventually:

1.took out the Nav
2.removed the top cover {pops right off}
3.removed one screw holding the small motor in place {looking at the unit's black plastic face covering facing you, it's on the upper right side}
4.carefully moved the motor to one side
5.using the same electrician's screwdriver and T-7 bit I used to unscrew the motor attach, manually wound the CD out.

Do you guys remember whether it was then as simple as loading in the correct upgrade {I burned v23 at 1x speed onto a Memorex CD-R last night} while the key is in position 1 and the 'puter does the rest? :dunno:

And does anyone know whether or not you need more than the .img file to upgrade with? Do you also need the .sub file? :dunno:

God damn I'm gonna owe a lot of people a lot of beers after this.

JV

When I burned my v23 disk, CloneCD looked for the .ccd file. I think this file tells the software what to do with the .img, .cue and .sub files. Anyway all I did was select the .ccd and the software did the rest. It did ask for the Key CD when the first disk finished so I would have that on hand as well.

Glad to hear that you got the previous disk out.

Dennis

Still no luck on it. To test the system, I put in the BMW Nav CD, it came out each time I pushed eject.

When I tried again to update with v23, the system made the same noises as before, the CD would spin, but it didn't seem like it was reading the disc. I used clone CD this time, burned it at 1X to the same end result: black screen, which flickers occasionally, and the radio/CD shuts off within 3 mins.

I disconnected the battery for 2 mins and tried it all over again, hoping it might reset to the previous v17.1, still nada.

One interesting thing is now happening however...the CD will continue to play even though the audio shuts off. I was playing Stevie Wonder's "Songs in the Key of Life" and it cut off during "Sir Duke" and by the time I got back up to the cockpit to turn it on again after manually winding out the v23 CD, it was in the middle of "Knocks Me Off My Feet", about 6 mins. later.

I guess I'll have a steak and try it again in awhile.

Ok, now I FINALLY got the upgrade from v17.1 to v23 to take on my MkIII Nav! :thumbup:

Several observations, which I must stress MAY have been particular to my experience, but may help you if you try to upgrade your MKIII:

1.USE CLONE CD TO BURN YOUR KEY CD AND UPGRADE! I tried it with my Windows XP burner and Magic ISO- it didn't work.
2.Make sure you burn a DATA disk. Depending on your computer, it may default to something other than data. For some reason, the first time I burned my Key and Upgrade with Clone CD, it only gave me the option of DVD.
The second time, it gave me several options, one of them being a data CD.
3.The .ccd file is what you want to put on your CD. I downloaded v23 and the Key as a zip folder and extracted everything after download. There were several files in the folder, the one with the .ccd extension is what you want to put on your CD.

Ok, now if anyone needs a hand getting a stuck CD out of your Nav system, I'm the effin man. I musta done it 10 times in the past 24 hours. :)

Thanks to Dennis, Jeff, IFly (former X5 driver, hang in there, man), everyone for chimin in. :thumbup:

V23 of the Nav OS is WAYYYY better than v17! :wow:

JV

JV

Glad to hear that the persistance paid off!

I sure agree that v23 is much better even with the loss of OBC/Radio combo display.

Dennis

JV,

I'm glad to hear that everything worked out!! Now put that MkIII up for sale on eBay and pick yourself up a MkIV :thumbup:

Yeah, Jeff, I'm definitely 'bit' by the upgrade bug now. Thinking I'll go 16:9, MkIV, TV on NAV, rear view camera& headrest screens when the weather warms up enough around here to not freeze my arse off whilst attempting such work. I prefer to do the functional mods before the cosmetics. With the new articles section to guide me, I can do just about all the work myself.

I get a :thumbup: all around from the friends and family about the v23 software, and the Nav voice is ever a bit less "robotic" which is nice.

JV

Damn,

i tried to update a MKIII in a friends 330Ci. I used the same V27.1 CD I have updated some MKIV! The MKIII recognized the Software CD, then blanked the screen and stoped. After about 30 minutes i ejected the cd and now the display is in a strange colur and only TV and bordcomputer options are there:confused: Whe I insert the CD again nothing happens:tsk:

Any ideas!I wish I had refused to update that old peace of navigation ....

Timiboy

Try downgrading to v22 and let us know what happens.

JV

Boah,

I downloaded a Clone CD image of V22 and burned it on 1x speed:) Then I went to the car and put it on ignition. Crossing my fingers I inserted the newly burned V22 CD and waited. The CD got in, spined around maybe a minute then it jumped out and went in again. During that time the display was just showing like playing the radio. Sudenly after the CD went in again automatically i saw the well known update screen. It took longer then i was used (but I have never updated V17 to V22 before) to and stayed a while at 99%! Then it jumped out I made the restart and there it was the so long awaited insert key cd message. Inserted the key cd and voila the job was done:thumbup: :thumbup: I think I will never ever try to update a MKIII. THe next step will be to upgrade the screen to 16:9 :rofl:

Thanks guys
TImiboy

Some people would disagree with me, but I've done the same thing on a couple friends' BMWs with MkIII and it never works to upgrade to v26 or v27. I always end up having to put v22 or v23 in there to make the Nav work again.

Glad it's at least working for you again:thumbup:

JV

It's funny since the V26 and V27 CD's contain the same for the MKIII. It might be due to the fact that the V26 and V27 images I have must be burned with Alcohol 120% and the lower versions are Clone CD images.That is the biggest difference in my opinion;)

Timiboy

anyone know where I can find a v22 or v23. I have had it with the v28, cannot get it to load.

While I wait to pull the trigger on the mk4 stuff (doing so this week, but who knows when it will all get here and installed) I would love to have the latest updates.

thanks
brad

Why not v27 for your MKIII? If you can't get it to load - I have a pre-burned CD you can use.

cool, I think I will have to take you up on that!