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beemer156 11-12-2008 11:09 PM

Grrrrr ... Speed limit ! :@
 
Hey guys;

What i'm fussing about isint the road speed limit, but the x5 speed limiter (programmed in the E.C.U)

Is there any kind of "D.I.Y" to remove the speed limit ???

ESS and alot of other tuning companies offers reprogramming your e.c.u to remove the speed limit and higher the rpm but for an stagering 500 $ :s ... not including the shipment to their company in finland i think and shipment back to you ...

And i just hate it when the rpm just freezes when the speed reaches 210 km/h (130 miles) :(
Any solution guys ????? Thanks

FSETH 11-12-2008 11:15 PM

I would get a 5-point harness, roll cage and helmet with a Hans before I removed the speed limiter. 130 mph isn't enough?

If you really want to remove it you will need to flash/change the ECU with software from a tuner from what I know.

vinuneuro 11-12-2008 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FSETH
I would get a 5-point harness, roll cage and helmet with a Hans before I removed the speed limiter. 130 mph isn't enough?

:iagree:

GmX5 11-12-2008 11:49 PM

Be careful out there....130 mph....holy shhh....man............

realchef 11-13-2008 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GmX5
Be careful out there....130 mph....holy shhh....man............

Though I hear it's pretty smooth (oh, to dream). Weasel says the USA v8's don't have a limiter.

FSETH 11-13-2008 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by realchef
Though I hear it's pretty smooth (oh, to dream). Weasel says the USA v8's don't have a limiter.

I am pretty sure all BMW's are limited at 155 tops in stock form. I think my 02 4.4 sport package is limited somewhere in the 140's.

bigfish 11-13-2008 12:52 AM

Life begins at 160..............
 
Guys your kill'n me............. If beemer156 wants to let the dog off the leash and run for a while you should be backing him up! The only way that I know how to remove the OEM speed limiter is to have an after market tuner re-program the ECU. I had Dinan work on my X a few years ago and I am VERY happy with the results.

Life begins at 160.........

BF
:thumbup:

realchef 11-13-2008 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FSETH
I am pretty sure all BMW's are limited at 155 tops in stock form. I think my 02 4.4 sport package is limited somewhere in the 140's.

Ur right, I was thinking no 130 limit. There is an upper limit though.
:driver: Hopefully you East and West coast guys get to see some of the long and straight roads out in the west/midwest and southwest.

mrkbbd 11-13-2008 01:13 AM

I've done 130 in 3.0 and there is no need to go faster than that, plus it takes like 10 miles to get up that high, a 4.4 is drag limited to about 145, so with 100 less HP you may get 5 mph more going down-hill

mrkbbd 11-13-2008 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bigfish
Life begins at 160.........

BF
:thumbup:

what will your Dinan 4.6 do now? I know that my 4.8 will hit an indicated 162 before the limiter kicks in, so I assume that is 153 in real life

bigfish 11-13-2008 01:21 AM

As fast as I could go on HWY 80 east
 
I got it up to 165-170 twice on HWY 80 heading east from Reno, NV to Park City, UT for close to a minute each time before I came up on slower traffic. I will admit that did make my butt pucker a little bit! But it sure was fun...............

beemer156 11-13-2008 02:10 AM

first of all thanks bigfish for backing me up ...

Well my 3.0i 2005 stock made 130 and could have made alot more if the limiter was not there ... cause at 130, the engine was just at 4500 R.P.M ...

i'll get you guys a vid tomorow :D

GmX5 11-13-2008 02:40 AM

I was just saying holy sssshhhh, but am all for living it up...I get Xavier up to 120/125mph on a regular. I have plans of going faster at the right time and place...I envy bigfish:rolleyes: ...you and your dinan S3....:thumbup:

mtX5 11-13-2008 02:50 AM

my friend had a 5 series and he somehow 'broke' the limiter lol. at least thats what the dealer said.. i didnt think that could ever happen.

BlackE32_SilverE53 11-13-2008 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigfish
I got it up to 165-170 twice on HWY 80 heading east from Reno, NV to Park City, UT for close to a minute each time before I came up on slower traffic. I will admit that did make my butt pucker a little bit! But it sure was fun...............



165-170 in a BMW???? What kind of work have you had done one it? I know my 740iL is limited at 155mph and while in Germany I hit that numerous times, but once the car exceeds 130mph it does not like to stop. Most of the M3's I would run with were limited at 128mph and a friend of mine with a suped up E46 with limiter removed maxed out at 162mph. As for the X I have barely hit 100mph, hopefully I get a chance to get it back to Germany so I can really open her up.

Jedi Mind Trick 11-13-2008 08:53 AM

In a 5 series I've hit 160, but with the X I'm really incapable of going beyond 110. I have no idea why, but I just can't.

It's not because it's an S(A/U)V, 'cause I've done it in a Yukon but surprisingly the X is just different. I guess no hitting the good ol' 170 in the X anytime soon. I wanted to try it just to see when it locks out but.. I didn't.

Oh well, hooray for safety especially after seeing a few of those "Do not speed!" documentries in hospitals and such.

JustinR 11-13-2008 09:01 AM

Most vehicles are electronically speed limited according to the speed rating of the stock tires that they came with.

X5Dawg 11-13-2008 09:15 AM

You sure you were limited by the engine/ software and not wind resistance, especially with a 3.0???

Weasel 11-13-2008 09:22 AM

My 4.6is handles like a dream with the cruise control set at 145, and still had room to go. I had my cop friend with me and he was mad I handles better at 150 than the cruiser does at 50! I too wand to reprogram the X, but my dealer is no longer a dinan authorized dealer...:rant: So the next nearest dinan dealer is Texas...

mrkbbd 11-13-2008 11:03 AM

cruise control on the new one's only goes to 130

beemer156 11-13-2008 12:02 PM

no dinan dealers in lebanon :((((

bigfish 11-13-2008 12:37 PM

Yes, i did have a little work done to my beast......
 
SilverE53,

I had Dinan upgrade my X several years ago with the S3 package: Vortech Supercharger, larger injectors, new intake, ECU software upgrade (removed OEM speed limiter), camber plates, tower brace & new exhaust. After that other mods including, M-3 steering wheel with paddle shifters, supercharger pulley wheel undercut , x-pipe & brembo BBK, HID fog lights, K40 laser radar jammer, Uniden Police Scanner and two .50 cal browning machine guns mounted on the hood (ha ha I wish)...............

BF

X5Flyboy 11-13-2008 01:46 PM

the X5 sport has no limiter - have done 130+ and cruised 110-120 for 20+ minutes (yeah, Nevada seems to be the place where high speed for relatively long periods of time is attainable without police interference, ie, 95 south out of Jackpot) - worked out the math from actual speed & revs to calculate redline of 6200rpm = 168mph, which is what BMW says it can do - I really have to get down to Bonneville Salt Flats one of these summers

FSETH 11-13-2008 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by X5Flyboy
the X5 sport has no limiter

Yes it does, unless you are just referring to your personal Dinan tuned X5.

They are limited as follows for early e53's;

3.0 - 126 mph
4.4 - 128 mph (143 with sport package)
4.6 - 150 mph

These numbers are from the specs page of a 2003 BMW Automobile catalog.

X5Flyboy 11-13-2008 02:18 PM

I was told different, but I do remember reading 168 being top end before I even purchased my used 2001 X5 sport in June, 2005 - and yes, the Dinan upgrade removes any limiter, but, again, I had read stock 'sport' topped out at 155 due to a lower stock redline - actually I find the tires are the final limiter, as snows are only rated for 99mph, and 'V' rated tires keep you under 150, if I remember correctly

FSETH 11-13-2008 02:24 PM

BMW and some other European manufacturers have been electronically limiting their cars ar 155 mph for years per some sort of agreement. 155 mph is about the best you will see in any "stock" Bimmer.

You are right about the tires though. I am pretty sure that is why the 4.4 sport package gets a higher top speed limiter over a standard 4.4 and so on through the BMW model range.

mrkbbd 11-13-2008 02:34 PM

most new bimmers, other than m cars are limited to 150 or 128

bigfish 11-13-2008 02:35 PM

Z or ZR rated tires...............
 
I would agree when you start looking at taking your X (an SUV) north of 125 mph, I would have a Z or a ZR rated tire underneath you. I have been running Pirelli PZero Rosso 315's front and rear on 10.5" rims. This way I can rotate front to rear and get more mileage out of them as they wear more evenly. Also I have backed out the rear wheel camber as much as possible!

BF

FSETH 11-13-2008 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mrkbbd
most new bimmers, other than m cars are limited to 150 or 128

You are right. BMWUSA shows 155 for M cars and 150 for most other cars. However, the X53.0 was 130, like you said earlier. The X5 4.8 was 150 with the SP, but only 130 for non-sport package. The 128 and 328 were also 130 with non sport package, but were 150 with SP.

Sounds like 130, 150 or 155 is it.

E61Silver 11-13-2008 02:55 PM

Its hard to run above 100 in the Northeast, think I had my old X up to 100 once in the 4 years I owned it.

realchef 11-13-2008 03:05 PM

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:D
plenty room to go..

BlackE32_SilverE53 11-13-2008 06:32 PM

On my sig is normally where my speedo sat while in Germany.... 110mph
After I toped a hill at 155mph and an accident was there in my path and I was not able to stop quick enough ( I had to steer around it at over 140mph), I kept it below 130mph unless I had a long line of vision ahead. :cool:

Weasel 11-13-2008 08:06 PM

I just wish I had somewhere around her I could really open her up, or at least get to the 155mph limit... I was able to hit 162mph in one of my old ford broncos. That truck was a beast when I was done with it, woulda beat the hell out of the 4.6is, and that isn't the easiest task for a big heavy suv with mud tires.

mrkbbd 11-13-2008 08:39 PM

162 in a Bronco...you're a mad man :)

Weasel 11-13-2008 08:59 PM

And that bronco hooked better in the high speed turns than the E36 325is I just sold!

FSETH 11-13-2008 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by weasel56
And that bronco hooked better in the high speed turns than the E36 325is I just sold!

:confused:

Weasel 11-14-2008 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by FSETH
:confused:

Don't give me those shifty eyes... the one in question was stock height and had 33/12.5/15 tires. So yes, it hooked :D

X5Flyboy 11-14-2008 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by weasel56
I just wish I had somewhere around her I could really open her up, or at least get to the 155mph limit... I was able to hit 162mph in one of my old ford broncos. That truck was a beast when I was done with it, woulda beat the hell out of the 4.6is, and that isn't the easiest task for a big heavy suv with mud tires.

'79, '90, '96 bronco man myself - the '79 I did the headers, dual freeflow exhaust, Edelbrock intake, & Holley 4-barrel (351 V8) - stomped on it once at 65mph to get away from an 18-wheeler on my bumper (I295 in NJ) - Well the 4-barrel kicked in and it was like dropping into warp-drive - by the time I had gotten over the shock, the speedometer had wound completely around to 30mph (no pegs on the speedo back then) AND it was still pulling - when I thought to look back, the 18-wheeler had disappeared far, far behind me - that was back when the national speed limit was 55 and the speedos only went to 80 - ran Dunlop Radial Rovers which ran very quiet for an aggressive tread & were good in snow (back when NJ actually got snow)

bigfish 11-14-2008 11:00 AM

You know what FORD stands for......
 
Guys I'm sure their is a Ford forum to share your love affair with venerable "Bronco." You may even find O.J. reminiscing on how he misses his............

Weasel 11-14-2008 02:09 PM

Hey now, we can show some love for the old broncos. Missing the old beasts I had is one of the things that got me into the X5! (sold my last one right before I got it) Had I driven old mustangs rather than 4x4 trucks I would likely be in, or looking for an E39 M5 as that is my favorite BMW car.

bigfish 11-14-2008 02:19 PM

weasel,

Sorry I couldn't pass it up! If I didn't say something I was afraid that someone would start opining about their Pacer next......... I too have been owned a couple of Fords, currently a 06 F-250 with a fabtech 8" lift kit, it's way redneck!

BF

meandmyX 02-26-2009 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mrkbbd
162 in a Bronco...you're a mad man :)

as for weasel being a mad man, he is from the south and if i learned one thing about the south in my 5 1/2 years of attending college in GA, is that when it comes to mud boggers (more of a southern term for off roadin) they are a little bit more crazy than most, but my buddy did put a 350 in one of his jeep wranglers (new englander)

mrkbbd 02-26-2009 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meandmyX
as for weasel being a mad man, he is from the south and if i learned one thing about the south in my 5 1/2 years of attending college in GA, is that when it comes to mud boggers (more of a southern term for off roadin) they are a little bit more crazy than most, but my buddy did put a 350 in one of his jeep wranglers (new englander)

Don't criticize mudding until you've done it, it's actually a ton of fun

NOVAX5 02-26-2009 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigfish
...
Life begins at 160...
:thumbup:

Life ends at 161mph

TaMbALoLoNg 02-26-2009 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigfish
Life begins at 160.........

BF
:thumbup:

More like Life ends at 160

01 BMW_X5 02-26-2009 12:32 PM

Not so cool to get caught speeding at 120 mph(yes, I had Passport 8500 radar ) and when you look at the actual speed on the GPS and it shows 136.
Glad I didn't spend the weekend in jail as I had an international flight on Monday. Thank you officer.
Could have paid the $304 fine but insurance would have gone through the roof.
Ended up paying $700(2 installments) and deferred adjudication for 3 months.
$700 that could have gone towards a kit or brake upgrade.

carlgo 02-26-2009 03:53 PM

Didn't BMW put a V10 of some sort in an X, heavily modified, and set course record on some famous track? Pretty impressive for what was still a tall vehicle.

On a fast car note, there was a recent TV show where they took a new Mercedes CL AMG out. Twin turbo V12, over 600 hp! He actually beat some pretty hot cars at the drags (until he met up with a 500 ci actual drag car).

He said over 200 mph without the limiter, and I forget what that is.

He burned up over a grand in tires, burning them endlessly in parking lots with a hot, but annoying, women in the car with him. Actually, I drove one of these and it scared the hell out of me. I punched it on the freeway and did not expect the absolutely violent result, even with traction control on.

The sad thing is that the Britney Spears' MB, the one she was always being totally irresponsible in, was supposedly one of these. I think it is good that nobody was killed during her crazy times. Sad because she hasn't a clue or any appreciation.

E61Silver 02-26-2009 04:10 PM

I the NYC area you are lucky to run 90, where can run 130?

BMWLOVER 02-26-2009 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlgo
Didn't BMW put a V10 of some sort in an X, heavily modified, and set course record on some famous track? Pretty impressive for what was still a tall vehicle.

On a fast car note, there was a recent TV show where they took a new Mercedes CL AMG out. Twin turbo V12, over 600 hp! He actually beat some pretty hot cars at the drags (until he met up with a 500 ci actual drag car).

He said over 200 mph without the limiter, and I forget what that is.

He burned up over a grand in tires, burning them endlessly in parking lots with a hot, but annoying, women in the car with him. Actually, I drove one of these and it scared the hell out of me. I punched it on the freeway and did not expect the absolutely violent result, even with traction control on.

The sad thing is that the Britney Spears' MB, the one she was always being totally irresponsible in, was supposedly one of these. I think it is good that nobody was killed during her crazy times. Sad because she hasn't a clue or any appreciation.

Was the show on Speed channel? lol. I think it's called Super Cars.

meandmyX 02-26-2009 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrkbbd
Don't criticize mudding until you've done it, it's actually a ton of fun

i didnt and i have

realchef 02-26-2009 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by x54.4blue
I the NYC area you are lucky to run 90, where can run 130?

West o the Mississippi and east of West Coast.

MANY open barren highways to roll 3 digits, +.

It is quite smooth and quiet at 130.

X5 in AK 02-27-2009 12:30 AM

Geez, what a bunch of weenies! :confused:

Don't drive your X at 130?!?

The X5 is rock solid at 130, and my 4.4 is stable at 140.
And it gets right up to 140, doesn't take 10 minutes.

The 4.4s do not have speed limiters, they are drag limited at around 142-144. The 4.6 and 4.8s are also drag limited, they do not have internal limiters.

The 3.0s have the 130 mph speed limiter due to the crappy 17" tires they came with.

FSETH 02-27-2009 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5 in AK
The 4.4s do not have speed limiters, they are drag limited at around 142-144. The 4.6 and 4.8s are also drag limited, they do not have internal limiters.

Not true. They are electronically limited.

Weasel 02-27-2009 01:15 AM

My 4.6is is electronically limited to about 155mph. Remove that limit and it would run out of gear at about 20-30 mph higher.

mrkbbd 02-27-2009 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5 in AK
Geez, what a bunch of weenies! :confused:

Don't drive your X at 130?!?

The X5 is rock solid at 130, and my 4.4 is stable at 140.
And it gets right up to 140, doesn't take 10 minutes.

The 4.4s do not have speed limiters, they are drag limited at around 142-144. The 4.6 and 4.8s are also drag limited, they do not have internal limiters.

The 3.0s have the 130 mph speed limiter due to the crappy 17" tires they came with.

There was an option for the 4.4i X5s to have speed de-limit, however the 4.8 and 4.6 have always been limited to 153

FSETH 02-27-2009 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrkbbd
There was an option for the 4.4i X5s to have speed de-limit,

I have never heard of that as a BMW factory option. Can you post a link or any credible proof of this?

Everything I have read shows pretty much every single modern BMW being electronically limited as far as top speed is concerned.

mrkbbd 02-27-2009 02:53 PM

Page 7 of the press release on the home page for the '06 models says that with the 4.4i sport package there is a speed de-limit for a 149 mph top speed

FSETH 02-27-2009 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrkbbd
Page 7 of the press release on the home page for the '06 models says that with the 4.4i sport package there is a speed de-limit for a 149 mph top speed

Yup, you are right. It is right there on pg 7. The 06 4.4i sport package doesn't have a limiter. Thanks for the info. :thumbup:

That is pretty atypical. Are there any other strange years and models that had the limiter removed? I bet that situation is pretty unique with BMW's.

mrkbbd 02-27-2009 03:05 PM

I think the only reason they did it was the sport package comes with tires that can do 160+ and the 4.4 can barely do 149 so there was no real risk in doing so

faz 02-27-2009 03:09 PM

I am definitely no stranger to triple digit speeds (I ride a Kawasaki ZX14 and see 140-150 mph many times during a normal day of riding), but I would definitely not trust the X5 at those speeds. Things start getting a bit too 'floaty' at about 130 mph. Mine is a 3.0, so as a post indicated above, it may have to do with its 17" wheels.

TwinsPoppa 02-27-2009 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mrkbbd
Page 7 of the press release on the home page for the '06 models says that with the 4.4i sport package there is a speed de-limit for a 149 mph top speed

Yeah but thats the same document that says sliding load floors were standard on 4.8s on page 24. I'm not saying its wrong on the de-limiter but just a thought.

mrkbbd 02-27-2009 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinsPoppa
Yeah but thats the same document that says sliding load floors were standard on 4.8s on page 24. I'm not saying its wrong on the de-limiter but just a thought.

I know for a fact that there is an option code that is a no charge option for speed delimit which is contingent upon ordering the sport package in the x5, if I can find my original brochure, I have it on an option order sheet

BMWLOVER 02-28-2009 01:48 AM

I got the options list from my dealer for my x5 and on the list it says I have the sport package with high speed maximum. So does that mean mine is delimited? It's a 2005 4.4i.


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