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If it ever becomes necessary, I'll buy you a plane ticket and fly you to Detroit to do mine ;)
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Holy Shit! Is this some kind of joke thread?
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But seriously, This is my future plans when the time comes. I worked at a trans shop for a lil while before I made it to the dealer. Where did you get the new parts? (company name?) Let us know how she drives when it's all said and done too. (bragging is allowed :D) |
Wow. I'm a dentist and that was some fancy operatin' there.
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This time I got my parts from a distrubutor that gets them from King-O Matic here in Canada. When I rebuilt my X5 transmission I got the parts from Kirt Koeller at AutoSports Unlimited in the US and shipped to me. The X5 transmission is pretty solid, as long as your F Clutch stays in good shape, you'll be golden =) Quote:
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Thanks for the info, just screen shotted it for the records.
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amazing pics and job Frank :) I will follow soon...tranny still holding up for now
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:wow: ...3 words: round trip ticket? :D
Let us know how she hold up! |
how much would you say the tranny weighs?
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Great work, what is your background and experience?
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Thanks SwissFrank - I think people are scared of Auto Transmissions - but there really isn't that much to them. A heck of a lot simpler than a manual transmission, in my book. As long as you have a decent manual, are slow and methodical both in removal and re-installation of the guts, I don't see why anyone with a modicum of brain cells left couldn't do this themselves.
Did it require any special tools to get things apart or back together?? If mine goes after 100k - I'll probably rebuild it myself as well... |
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So what gave you the balls to take this on with only your friend? Did you have any books or instructions for the operation? You have inspired me to take care of mine when the time comes. Great pics! |
wow.. thats all i can say. i think if i tried that...i would stop as soon as i got near the tranny.
how much did this run you? |
rebuilding is the easy part, no?
Crawling under there and taking it out, then puttin' it back, THAT"S the hard part!!! |
Nice job!! Would like to hear about how she runs after.
looks like you pretty much have to soak everything prior to install. i may have missed it... what exactly went wrong, what parts did you replace, how long did it take and how much did the parts cost? |
That's freaking awesome. No guts no glory
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I have pulled the engine and transmission in a few of my E21 3er's before but seeing this thread definitely assures any trans work will go to the dealer......
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My X5 would no longer go backwards, and I was not willing to pay a shop $5500 to fix it, I dropped the tranmission out and figured I couldn't make it worse anyway, I have no work shop manuals or instructions, I just took my time and used the ZF spare parts manual as my guide. If you venture down that road, feel free to ask for help. Quote:
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I too work in telecommunications. A small little company here in the US. ;) |
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I would love to see a list or outline of what you mean by 'weak parts of the box'. I have no idea what that means. Thanks. |
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Nice work.
What was the mileage when your trans began to fail? Did it have the original fluid? I6 or V8 motor? |
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swissfrank - now that you have done this successfully, I bet you could do this as a sideline job - Assuming it all holds together for a good period of time you are probably a natural.
In my experience with transmissions and the guys who repair them it's hit or miss. You are probably in a great spot to make some money given your expertise with the X transmission and it's weaknesses. |
Great thread. I have never been into a ZF transmission, love the look of the castings.
Last transmission I did at home was in a 66 Mustang (Cruisomatic). I had an ace, as my father taught a course for Ford called Valve Bodies Don't Bite, introducing dealer mechanics to transmission repairs. He taught the same principles you list; methodical approach, attention to cleanliness, use the manual/parts book. There were a couple of special pullers, etc, that he had access to and which helped. Congratulations on the job. |
You're brave doing this without a service manual!
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Fantastic post. Any chance for a parts list of the stuff you replaced?
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OK, so you did this for $300 in parts?
How much time? I'm just trying understand how they get to $5500 for a rebuild. |
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***If I had time to dedicate to this by myself I'd expect It would take me 3 eight hour days from start to finish*** |
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I've rebuilt a T-5 after watching an instructional video. the only auto trans experience I have is installing a shift kit.
is there a manaul or instruction book/video to rebuilding a ZF? how much is a remanufactured 5hp trans? |
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Nice!! And I thought I was cool removing the VB and some other bits so I could replace the pump gear after the teeth sheared off ;) If push comes to shove, i'll be contacting you when I need to do this to my X.
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God god man! Do you need a special chair to sit on for your balls of steel :rofl:
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Wow!:wow: I'm totally impressed! I don't quiet understand how you did this without the manual. How did you remember the sequence of putting her back together? :dunno:
Very nice job, I commend your bravery! |
SWEET!!! finally someone who knows what they ae doing and he's LOCAL!!! dude i definitely will be looking for your help one of these days... currently at 130K KM's!! and just had transmission flushed about 15K KM ago... I'm actually excited to take the transmission out when lookin at those pictures!
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Any more updates to this thread since it's one of the best on the board?
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Hello everyone,
I want to thank everyone for a lot of helpful information that I found here. Swissfrank, thank you, in particular, for inspiring me to tackle my X5’s transmission rebuild. Your own example, step-by-step explanation and the whole story from the very beginning left nothing for me but just do it. I have come across this forum after my truck’s transmission started slipping in reverse this spring and I was browsing web looking for some magic cure. Reading this thread I had quickly realized there is none but hard work to pull the transmission out and fix it. Well, I used some remedy that stretched my drive through the summer – 20K – enjoying swimming and kayaking. First think I had done was changing this famous lifetime fluid in my transmission. I guess at that point its lifetime span has come to an end. Changing the filter and fluid improved driving in reverse somehow (could do it on a horizontal surface now) but I needed more. Again and again I had been reading Swissfrank’s post, finally was internally ready to tackle the job myself, but not yet and not in the summer. So I took a chance (nothing to lose) and added a bottle of LUCAS transmission antislip into the tranny. It worked! I could drive on minor uphill, grass, and sand … and got used to it until have been reminded during one camping venture when my front wheel got in a minor trench (4-6 inches deep) and the only way out was in reverse. The tranny pulled it out but started slipping again. After some time, however, it magically cured itself once again until in late October I decided to spray rear suspension components in preparation for winter drive and reared onto the inspection ramps …with parking brake on. That is when my transmission gave up completely – nothing but wining in reverse. Perfect time to fix it! So I prepared the overhaul kit, fluid, filter, purchased transmission jack in Princess Auto, and pulled the transmission out. When I took it apart, the problem was exactly the same as Swissfrank described in his case - F clutch snap ring gave away, flat spring broke, and the piston was destroyed. All the rest was like new. Having transmission apart and overhaul kit purchased I have replaced all of the o-rings, friction plates, and leaking torque converter seal. Putting together was, as they say, in reverse order. I had no problems with installation either – matter of aligning the transmission bell housing with the engine. There is, however, the second part of this story which I wrote about at Land Rover UK Forums: http://forum.landrovernet.com/showthread.php/189983-ZF-5HP24-teardown. But after all this the truck is back on the road, smoothly shifting gears and fearlessly driving not only forward but also in reverse. Swissfrank, once again, I thank you for inspiring me to follow your example in rebuilding the transmission. It is all over now and I do not regret any single moment about doing it. It is not only saving the money but all the valuable experience and great feeling of a big accomplishment. Some pictures are attached. |
Sergei, AWESOME post and results. I'm going to be joining the RR forums so I can read and maybe even reply on that thread as needed so I can rebuild an extra 5HP24 I've got sitting in my garage.
While Bemble states he's no master mechanic and only does this on the side, I'd like to pry the mans ear in regards to his opinions to the lifetime fluid and see if they match up with mine...that's it's complete BS and needs to be changed on regular intervals like I have for myself and customers. I also like that he confirms what I've always believed (contrary to what others have said here) in that the transmission will in fact adapt to the changing in fluid pressure, etc etc when refreshed. That has been something debated on here as well, w/ people stating that doing fluid changes will cause the transmission to act different, loosening deposits (which wouldn't happen had they been changed regularly), causing accelerated failures, etc...which I've found to be completely untrue. Awesome post...I'm looking forward to tearing into this trans sooner than later now! |
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Thank you for the feedback. Regarding the transmission fluid I can tell you my experience. During this summer my transmission saw it all: original “lifetime” (of what?) fluid being replaced in spring by Mobil Super Multi Vechile ATF, actually diluted by it since I have not purged the system but drained 4 litres or so from the oil pan and replaced it with Mobil Super Multi Vechile ATF. I have done it twice, second time adding 1 litre of Lucas Transmission Antislip – go figure out what the mixture was there at that point. Well, the truck was driving better than ever. Even after the rebuild I filled the transmission with the same Mobil Super Multi Vechile ATF planning on changing it (read – diluting with new) every year which takes not more than an hour. The reason of using alternative is the price. Our dealer quoted for me $38.00/litre. The Mobil Super Multi Vechile ATF in local Store across the road is $29.99 for a 5 litres jar readily available of the shelf. Here the reply from Esso representative who I had contacted earlier regarding a current equivalent of LT71141: Hello, What you are looking for is Mobil Super Multi Vechile ATF. This product is available at any Esso service station so I would go to one to avoid shipping charges from us. OK? Mark Nebel Chalmers Esso Fuels PO Box 280, 79 Mountainview Road N., Georgetown, Ontario, Canada L7G 4Y5 PHONE 905-877-5104 1-800-268-0194 FAX 905-877-5262 www.chalmersfuels.ca 2001, BMW, X5. Transmission ZF 5HP24. Sergei. ----- Original Message ----- Hello, Is this a stock transmission and if so what is the year, make and model of the vehicle? Thanks, Mark Nebel Chalmers Esso Fuels PO Box 280, 79 Mountainview Road N., Georgetown, Ontario, Canada L7G 4Y5 PHONE 905-877-5104 1-800-268-0194 FAX 905-877-5262 www.chalmersfuels.ca ----- Original Message ----- Subject: RFQ Hi, I am looking for Transmission Fluid for my ZF 5HP24 automatic transmission. The factory recommended product is Esso/Mobil LT71141. Would you be able to quote on price and delivery of this product.? |
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Bremble notes in his thread that he has seen this particular failure mode many times on 5hp24 transmissions; a failed o-ring on the B clutch drum. When you communicate with him, you should ask his opinion on whether fluid changes impact the life of those o-rings. Actually, given that both swissfrank's and sergei-e's transmissions failed due to a single snap ring breaking, you could also ask his opinion on whether changing the transmission fluid extends the life of those snap rings. |
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Not only did you probably save some money, but you also know that the transmission was repaired by someone that gives a damn ;) Please continue to be an active member, and let us know how great it goes! I'm very glad that my small efforts to inspire someone finally paid off! Frank PS which tool did you use to compress the retaining springs when changing the O rings on the clutch pistons? |
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The truck runs great. I got it back on the road just in time – there is snow all over the place now in our area and trouble free reverse is very helpful in these conditions. How is the weather at your place? To compress the flat springs I started with C-clamps but found it cumbersome, time consuming, and unstable, tried two jaw pulley removal kit (works better, but does not leave a lot of room to work inside the clutch cylinder). For my home garage conditions I found the best tool was Transmission clutch spring compressor: KD Tools (KD 2398) Automatic Transmission Clutch-Spring Compressor. You would still need a number of rings suitable for different clutch cylinders to compress the flat springs. I used different sizes of plastic pipe couplings from a local hardware store. The tool works great! Two spring loaded tabs go in the top snap ring groove of a clutch cylinder safely securing the tool in place and adjustable pads compress the clutch spring by means a threaded rod. Sergei |
Can you post pics of your setup for the non-visually creative ;)
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Unfortunately I did not take these pictures but put some information together in the attached file.
Let me know if you have any questions. Sergei. |
Thanks what I was looking for. Thanks, Sergei!
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Well, Would any of you guys have any Idea on why my Tranny doesn't Show Parking after few hours of car being parked. when i shake it up a little then its back to normal.
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What do you mean "show parking"? Your post has odd choices of when to cap a letter, and then doesn't really make sense.
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Could be park/neutral switch, will it start when it doesn't show park?
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I was thinking maybe the cable and where it connects on the side of the transmission since he said wiggling it puts it in park (the light finally comes on on the center console)...or at least that's the way I read it. I'm still wondering if he meant the center console or on the dash though.
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For those who may be planning to tackle the job of rebuilding transmission on their own it may be helpful to read my summary of how to remove it from the vehicle. I have put these steps together after I have done this job twice and although it seems to be straight forward, following this sequence made the task easier and the work more efficient. Second time it took me 4 hours to remove the transmission and roll it in the garage for the rebuild and eight hours to install it back in the vehicle (that is including changing all four tires for winter tires). Most of the “extra” time in installation took all the work with the torque wrench tightening all of the bolts and nuts to the specified torque. If someone interested, I can expand each of the steps in more details.
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