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boqibama 04-11-2009 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by John Galt
Two days later, I did another quick fluid drain and fill (no filter change) to get at most of the rest of the old oil. It took six quarts the second time (no pan drop or fitler change). .

John, I'm confused. I did drain/refill on my 02 3.0 without dropped pan and filter change, only pumped 5.0 Quarts in. What was the temp of transmission fluid when you had your done? I did it at 36 degree celsius

John Galt 04-12-2009 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by boqibama
John, I'm confused. I did drain/refill on my 02 3.0 without dropped pan and filter change, only pumped 5.0 Quarts in. What was the temp of transmission fluid when you had your done? I did it at 36 degree celsius

I did not have a tempature read on the tranny; I just waited until it felt warm, but not hot, and then topped it off.

upallnight 12-19-2012 11:17 PM

Temperature of the fluid affects the level of the fluid. I did an experiment when I had an Audi Quattro with a ZF 4HP18 trans. I filled a glass bottle with ATF that I drained from my Audi and mark the level with tape at room temp (approx 75F) Since it was winter I left the bottle outside overnight and took a reading of the temp of the ATF (28F) and noted that the fluid level had dropped by quite a bit.

The point of this story is that the trans has to be cold when you re-fill it or the final level will not be accurate, especially if the ATF fluid in the Torque Converter is at the engine operating temp.

When I do a fluid change I jack the car up the day before and drain the fluid. I let the car sit overnight and refill the next day.

JCL 12-20-2012 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by upallnight (Post 912776)
The point of this story is that the trans has to be cold when you re-fill it or the final level will not be accurate, especially if the ATF fluid in the Torque Converter is at the engine operating temp.

When I do a fluid change I jack the car up the day before and drain the fluid. I let the car sit overnight and refill the next day.

That is not correct. The fluid has to be at a specific temperature to check the level, not cold. Otherwise you will have the wrong level. See the maintenance procedure.

upallnight 12-20-2012 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JCL (Post 912807)
That is not correct. The fluid has to be at a specific temperature to check the level, not cold. Otherwise you will have the wrong level. See the maintenance procedure.

There's a range that the ATF has to be I believe it between 30C to 50C, not a "specific temp" like 38C.

The point of my post is if you drove the car around and then perform the trans drain and refill, since a lot of the ATF is still in the torque converter the ATF temp is well beyond the "range" that is in the procedure. Running the car with a cold engine and trans during the fill procedure will eventually get you to that "range" that is outlined in the procedure.


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