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bindas 03-27-2009 05:10 PM

NGK or Bosch Spark plug in E53? and correct torque 30nm or less?
 
So for the DIY Inspection for Dummies, I still have a few questions in the sparkplug area..

1) NGK or Bosch- Some say X5s originally came with German Bosch but now are NGK so which one?

2) Correct Torque in locking in the plug 30 nm or less? or is the Torque wrench overkill, shall we just tighten till the plug stops?

3) Anti-sieze lube on plug...?? some say do it some say don't

amacman 03-27-2009 05:31 PM

1) i prefer bosch
2) 23 nm /18ft-lb . note torque can be + or - 3nm .
3) lightly lube plug threads with copper- based anti-sieze compound
4) replace at 100,000 miles , usually platinum 4 electrode non adjustable plugs . time to replace O2 sensors at this mileage .

X5 Meister 03-27-2009 07:51 PM

1. See what your car currently has, buy the same and buy from the dealer.
2. Should be printed on the box. Yes use torque wrench.
3. Per BMW TIS do not lube. However, half the people here will tell you to
lube. You decide.
4. Per BMW, replace at 100,000. Per Mike Miller and other great BMW techs,
60,000 miles.

Werewolf 03-27-2009 08:10 PM

Suggest NGK Iridium BKR6EIX

isledude 03-28-2009 01:47 AM

Recommended "Denso Iridium IK20" Plug Gap = 0.032

CharlieHustleX5 03-28-2009 02:22 AM

Recommend NGK Iridium IX plugs.

The e53 comes standard with either NGK BKR6EQUP or Bosch FGR7DQP plugs. The Bosch Platinum 4's look similar to the FGR7DQP but after initially running these plugs at 42K miles, the car felt sluggish, MPG went down, and i noticed no gain in performance whatsoever. Basically, they felt worse than my oem plugs with 42K on them.

Swapped in NGK Iridiums, the car felt refreshed. Sent my Bosch plugs back to the company, received a refund.

The only other 2 plugs I would recommend would be the BMW Bosch or the BMW NGK plugs from the dealer. Stay away from Bosch +4....Search other BMW forums and you'll see many others can relate to the experience I had with those plugs.

JT///MC 03-28-2009 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlieHustleX5
Recommend NGK Iridium IX plugs.

The e53 comes standard with either NGK BKR6EQUP or Bosch FGR7DQP plugs. The Bosch Platinum 4's look similar to the FGR7DQP but after initially running these plugs at 42K miles, the car felt sluggish, MPG went down, and i noticed no gain in performance whatsoever. Basically, they felt worse than my oem plugs with 42K on them.

Swapped in NGK Iridiums, the car felt refreshed. Sent my Bosch plugs back to the company, received a refund.

The only other 2 plugs I would recommend would be the BMW Bosch or the BMW NGK plugs from the dealer. Stay away from Bosch +4....Search other BMW forums and you'll see many others can relate to the experience I had with those plugs.

Going to have to agree 100% with everything you said. All pts are true and can be verified across many BMW forums and engines. Seems like +4s do not work well whereas the NGK BKR6EQUP and NGK IR IX plugs work well. That has also been my experience with ALL my BMWs that I've owned from E36 M3s, M Coupe, and 740i.

Currently running the NGK IR IX plugs in the other 2 cars and they seem waaay peppier and snappy after I put them in. Still running strong so that says something. Usually they loose their initial "newness" feeling after a few thousand miles but with the IX, everything has been really smooth. Even saw a 1-2mpg increase in efficiency in BOTH of my cars. Will be putting those IXs in the N62 on the next service.

Bouchedag84 04-20-2015 10:41 AM

Damn it! I just ordered +4s online and they should be here any day. I have 103k kms.

edit:
You said that part number FGR7QDP is not the same as Platinum +4s. Everywhere I look, the Bosch +4s ARE FGR7QDP, unlike what you guys said..
FGR7DQP-8 - Spark Plugs - Set Of Eight (Platinum+4) - ES#250657

edit2: half the websites show the FGR7QDP as +4s and half don't. w.t.f

i ordered these ones
https://www.autopartsway.ca/partdeta...el-level-gauge

squidzilla 04-20-2015 12:21 PM

I am running the Bosch plugs in my auto x5 and it runs great. Maybe they improved them. I am going to install them in my MT as well.

StephenVA 04-20-2015 01:07 PM

Plug finder
 
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Recommendation: When looking for plugs on these vehicles, I would recommend looking at plug manufacture's website for what is the latest information: Example: NGK Spark Plugs USA. Technology has moved on since our vehicles were designed, engineered and screwed/bolted/welded together.

Without knowing your year, engine, etc I would recommend NGK Iridium IX® Spark Plugs as others have. Most of the V8 models have NGK OE, others have a mix.

Like others I tried the two and four prong Bosch plugs and replaced them with the fine wire Iridium NGK plugs, due to poor idle, Tip-in acceleration response, etc. My 2005 4.8is had NGK OE fine wire but not the better Iridium ones. Having worked for one of the plug manufactures earlier in my career, I would say finding the right plug characteristics for your vehicle is more important than "what came in OE". Most of that is due to changes in fuels being pumped today.

Note: Check the plug manufacturer's website for all applications not the distributors (resellers) as there are MANY errors on their sites.

TORQUE SPECS:
As mentioned, 23 nm /18ft-lb . note torque can be + or - 3nm. Multiple people have had the plugs back out if not torque to the higher number (20ftlbs for us US based owners) (Note: head should be cool enough to hold your hand on it)
Lightly lube plug threads with copper- based anti-sieze compound (IF not on plug already)

Replace your Coil on Plug Boots (if equipped) see the two types of coils images below. Part #2 on the right image. They just twist and pull off.

oldskewel 04-22-2015 01:36 PM

I recently replaced the plugs in my 2001 3.0i. They were original at 170k, but working just fine.

I replaced with the OES NGK as specified. Not looking to make a research project out of trying something different. Others may be better, but the OE ones were working fine at 170k, so ...

The main difficulty/risk/problem was removing the old ones. At 170k they were in there pretty tight. Some more than others. My main concern was not stripping out the threads when removing them. Patience, air blasts, WD40, more patience, and going slow and careful I was able to get them all out with no problems.

I _did_ use antiseize. I try to understand the reasons behind the things I do. If you read the official reports on this, their main concern is that antiseize will result in over-torquing due to reduced thread friction.

So what I did, and now will do all the time, is to follow the _angular_ torque specification, which you will probably find on the NGK box. For these, which have a gasket, the first time they are installed (i.e., before the gasket crushes) the spec (from memory) is finger tight and then 1/2 - 2/3 of a turn. To do that carefully I used a breaker bar, moving it 1/6 of a turn at a time - no ratchet makes it easier to measure the angle carefully since you can't get the full angle in one turn on these cars. BTW, I have 4 torque wrenches, so that's not the reason I think this is best.

Regarding comments on 100k changes vs. earlier. The manufacturers all want to sell their new cars advertising minimal maintenance requirements, so they say 100k. The fact that my original ones lasted 170k (no problems at all with the old or new ones - no change, not even placebo effect) shows that good plugs can last that long. In my opinion, the only reason to remove earlier than 100k would be to reduce the chance of ripping out threads upon removal.

Other more obvious tips:
- clean out the spark plug well as well as you can before removing the plug so nothing falls in to muck up the threads.
- I use masking tape (thin) to hold the spark plug socket to the socket extension, so they don't separate, leaving the spark plug socket stuck on the spark plug.
- I put dielectric grease on the rubber parts that need to slip off again one day

Riggodeaux 04-22-2015 04:11 PM

I replaced the plugs [almost certainly the originals] at 109k miles. Replaced with the NGK BKR6EQUP; I don't recall the torque, but I'm sure I followed the posts here [what StephenVa sez?]. No antiseize. I did them at the same time I needed to replace an O2 sensor, so I did the plugs and all sensors. I've since seen an improvement of maybe 1 mpg. Other than one brief period of hesitation/rough acceleration [cured by a couple tanks of Techron in the fuel], all good. I've heard criticism of the bosch platinums, but used them in an earlier bimmer [m52 six?] with no ill effects.

ProfessorX5 04-22-2015 04:18 PM

I'm gonna go with NGK platinum iridium 4 electrode... NGK hasn't failed me n my other cars, so I figure why not. Bosch for the new coils tho.

cn90 04-22-2015 05:02 PM

I have used NGK BKR6EIX ($7/each) on my:
- 1998 528i (E39) for 30K miles
- 2006 X5 3.0i (E53) for 10K miles

I will never go back to Bosch.

The NGK Iridium is simply superior. Not a single hiccup.
Smooth engine/rpm etc.

I use a small drop of antiseize and no matter what plug I use, I usually remove them at 45K or so for inspection: if still good, re-install them.

For Iridium, I replace them every 80K-90K or so.

Ricky Bobby 04-23-2015 09:42 AM

^^^I used the NGK plugs that Riggo used, replaced at 65k miles just because they were original.

I am a bigger fan of NGK than Bosch plugs, I'm sure the Iridiums are fantastic.

J.Belknap 04-23-2015 08:56 PM

NGK.
NGK are pre-lubed.
Torque according to TIS instruction.

StephenVA 02-24-2016 03:56 PM

Plug Update and comment on use of anti-seize by plug manufacturer
 
Update:
Anti Seize on plugs applied at the factory.
the IX Iridium have it installed, the OE Iridium ones do not. See the NGK, Bosch websites for details on your plug number and application info.

You need to confirm that the plugs you buy have anti seize on the plugs shell (The metal part with the threads vs the white porcelain part :D) As not everyone of the NGK, Bosch, etc etc plugs has it applied. See the part in the box to confirm.
Why use anti-seize? It is not a big issue on those who replace their plugs every 30K or so. It is a REAL big issue on those who run them for 170K (life time plugs?) Heat cycles, moisture, difference in metal to metal reaction builds a bond that may cause an issue where the next time the plug is removed all the threads come with it.

Bottom Line: Better to be safe than sorry. Oh and use a torque wrench set at 20 FtLbs will help too!


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