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MPDano 05-22-2010 09:04 PM

X5 2004 Non Nav Stock Amp Remote "ON" Question?
 
Can someone please point me in the right direction on how to remotely turn on the stock amp from the dash harness.

I got one those harness kits and it says the White Wire is the Remote On, but when I put power to it, nothing happens.

Amp is not on as far as I can tell. I have sound going from my Carputer sounds outs to the harness.

Help me please :dunno:

wullaby 05-22-2010 10:14 PM

you replaced the factory radio with aftermarket and you want to use the existing stock amp??

wullaby 05-22-2010 10:15 PM

DO you have DSP amp or premium sound system....

MPDano 05-22-2010 10:23 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Premium Sir. Yes, I am hooking up my Carputer up. I am just getting the wiring sorted before mounting up the Touchscreen and PC.

I am wondering if the other set of wires on the stock harness plug aren't being touched by the Harness Adapter I bought from Metra have anything to do with it.

You can see in the first pic that the lower row with a black and a white pug aren't being used in the adapter.

MPDano 05-22-2010 10:25 PM

Second pic goes to the lower portion of the stock stereo

wullaby 05-22-2010 10:35 PM

It has been years since the install, but to turn your new aftermarket radio, you have to tap into a fuse in the glovebox, that will be your remote turn on. You can use a test light to see which fuse gets power with car on and off, I want to say its the windshield wiper ones that was used 15 or 10amp fuse...but the white wire in the back off the dsp amp i used to jump to power my two aftermarket amps, i never used my oem amp. I hope this helps.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MPDano (Post 743397)
Second pic goes to the lower portion of the stock stereo


MPDano 05-22-2010 10:42 PM

Hello,

It's not the Carputer that is having the problem turning off and on via the ignition.

It's the Stock Amp that I can't get to turn on. Eventhough I am sending 12 volts to the Remote Turn-on amp wire on the harness.

MPDano 05-22-2010 11:18 PM

According to this. The lower black plug and white plug on main harness plug have nothing to do with the Amp.

small white plug x13598
Pin No. / Wire Color / Function
1 / / No function
2 / White-Brown / Audio common from 6CD player
3-7 / / No connection
8 / White-Red / Audio Left Channel from 6CD player
9 / White-Blue / Audio Right Channel from 6CD player
10 / / No Connection

11 / NAV / TV Audio +
12 / NAV / TV Audio -

NEW Small black plug: x13649 plug
Pin No. / Wire Color / Function
1 / Tape left +
2 / Tape left -
3 / Left Connection for AUX Input
4 / Right Connection for AUX Input
5 / NAV / TV Audio +
6 / White-Black / Phone audio + Positive
7 / Tape right +
8 / Tape right -
9 / No connection
10 / AUX Input Ground
11 / NAV / TV Audio +
12 / Brown-Black / Phone Audio - Groundv

wullaby 05-23-2010 12:52 AM

was the amp working before, was there recent rain, did u check fuses in the back passenger side for the radio to make sure...just throwing some things out there, my dsp amp got wet, and when it dried it came back on....then a few more times of this and it died on me.

MPDano 05-23-2010 01:47 AM

Amp works perfect. I just put the original stereo and cd player back in so my wife can listen to the radio tomorrow.

MPDano 05-23-2010 05:58 PM

Ok, figured it out why the Stock Amp was not turning on. My Power Supply auto amp on wire was only putting out 6.45 volts. I need to check with the manufacturer why it's not at least 12. Anyways, used my Ignition On wire and walla, it turns on.

I got another question now. The Stock Amp doesn't seem like it's amplifying the sound much. I have my Carputer at max volume and it is average but not loud. I hook up the Stock Stereo back up and I can crank the volume.

Would this have to do with how many watts the Carputer is putting out vs what the Stock Stereo is putting out? Or is there another wire that may need to be activated in order to amplify it more (a loudness button per se).

Any ideas?

m5james 04-19-2015 11:28 PM

Bumping an old question because I can't get my stock amp to come on and I'm having no luck searching.

01 X5 4.4 with DSP no nav. What I'm simply trying to do is use an aftermarket deck, then use the stock amp, stock speaker and stock sub. I'm not interested at this moment in routing wires, RCA's, replacing factory amps with stock amps, etc...I just want the aftermarket stereo and everthing else to be stock for now. I've got an adapter that plugs into the stock harness, which then gives me bare ends for power, ground, speakers, etc but touching the remote turn on from the aftermarket deck to the 3-4 remaining from the adapter isn't turning the factory amp on, so I've got zero sound.

I've done an install like this YEARS ago, but I also ran RCA's from the deck to an afermarket amp and fiberglassed an 8" sub into the factory enclosure..but I don't remember how I powered he stock speakers.

e30cabrio 04-20-2015 07:39 AM

To use the stock amps I put the CD player in back under where the changer would be if I had it & used it's wires to keep my system on.

I used this video.
https://youtu.be/_pF12Ey26Qs?t=2m40s

There is another pin that needs power or it turns off after 15 minutes.

m5james 04-20-2015 01:24 PM

He shows the pins needed on the back on the deck, but not close enough to see what I need to connect to where the amp/changer is. Halfway there.

e30cabrio 04-20-2015 04:45 PM

It is currently disassembled in my X and the CD player is back in the dash awaiting a replacement HU.

I think the extra was 13, I am certain one is 9 & another 5.

m5james 04-20-2015 06:42 PM

Are you referring to the backside of the CD player or in the compartment where the amp is? I've got a CD changer back there as well; do I need to unhook that and use one if it's connectors?

m5james 04-22-2015 11:13 PM

Bump since you've done this...I can see the connections on the backside of the deck but I'm still curious as to what/where things hookup inside the hatch area.

m5james 04-26-2015 08:51 PM

Bump for 5 min of your time.

e30cabrio 04-26-2015 10:22 PM

I will be reinstalling my DVD NAV tomorrow & restoring the CD player to the floor of teh trunk. I will take detailed pics with the numbered wires & corresponding pins.

m5james 04-26-2015 10:43 PM

Thank you, sir...much appreciated and right before Bimmerfest :D

e30cabrio 04-27-2015 03:25 PM

It is 9, 16, the one above 16 & the one left of 16.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ps3mifr8gb.jpg

How the CD player sits under the floor.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...pswi7qh43d.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...psrz6h7i4w.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...psff4lp37s.jpg

Floor still sits flush.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...psl6qyb4l3.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ps49lewdct.jpg

MID in glove.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...psc0uilyd1.jpg

m5james 04-28-2015 10:30 PM

Once again, I can see the connections on the back of the CD player in the YouTube video...what I don't know is where and what to connect to inside the amp/cd changer area.

e30cabrio 04-28-2015 11:04 PM

I do not have the changer. If you want to keep it you'll need to find other connections. I don't remember which it was but it was readily available via searching.

Considering your lack of appreciation & attitude I owe you answers you can work it out without me.

m5james 04-29-2015 03:42 AM

I don't care to keep the CD changer, nor have I seen anything saying how I can keep it...it's not readily available and I'm sure it's not even remotely compatible with my Erisin stereo that I'm installing. I mentioned the amp/CD changer area for nothing more than a reference to the area in which I need to know where to hook things up.

Lack of appreciation? I asked for the connections in the amp/changer compartment, not the ones behind the deck that have already been pointed out in the prior video...he didn't show where they went either, otherwise I wouldn't be asking. I don't have an attitude, I just don't have an answer either. Thank you for pointing out the back of the deck, but once again, where do the connection go into the compartment area itself is the question.

Quote:

Originally Posted by e30cabrio (Post 1035041)
I used this video.
https://youtu.be/_pF12Ey26Qs?t=2m40s

There is another pin that needs power or it turns off after 15 minutes.

Which pin(s) would that be? He showed 4 from the deck, you showed 4 from the deck...and then where? This isn't attitude, this is me still not knowing where to go from here and I've got 3 weeks until Bimmerfest while still having a bad ABS/DCS module and a random idle drop at startup to deal with :(

e30cabrio 04-29-2015 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m5james (Post 1036152)
I don't care to keep the CD changer, nor have I seen anything saying how I can keep it...it's not readily available and I'm sure it's not even remotely compatible with my Erisin stereo that I'm installing. I mentioned the amp/CD changer area for nothing more than a reference to the area in which I need to know where to hook things up.

Lack of appreciation? I asked for the connections in the amp/changer compartment, not the ones behind the deck that have already been pointed out in the prior video...he didn't show where they went either, otherwise I wouldn't be asking. I don't have an attitude, I just don't have an answer either. Thank you for pointing out the back of the deck, but once again, where do the connection go into the compartment area itself is the question.

Which pin(s) would that be? He showed 4 from the deck, you showed 4 from the deck...and then where? This isn't attitude, this is me still not knowing where to go from here and I've got 3 weeks until Bimmerfest while still having a bad ABS/DCS module and a random idle drop at startup to deal with :(

I gave what I have. I see Your initial response as demanding. Certainly there was no appreciation. Seems to me your apologetic PM belonged here, what do I know?

m5james 04-29-2015 01:40 PM

Feel free to copy and paste my apologetic PM here because my profile is set up to where it doesn't save sent messages.

I'm not seeing a picture where the 4 wires from the back of the CD player that connect into the trunk area to specific harness. I see a pic of connections to the back f the CD player, the CD player tucked into a rats nest of wires, your amp installation, your subwoofer (good job, I fiberglassed my stock enclosure), your MID relocation (i did the same last time and will have to do it again) and that's it. I'm still not seeing the other half ofnthe connections, so maybe you can point it out again to myself and others in the future who'll use this thread to do the same.

m5james 04-29-2015 11:45 PM

I'm not sure what else you want me to say to you here. It seems like you're trying to get your pound of flesh from me when you missed what I was asking for in the first place. Both you and the guy in the video showed the same thing, the connections on the back of the radio, while completely glazing over what connections need to be made within the amp/compartment area itself. Will you please help me out?

e30cabrio 04-30-2015 05:24 AM

As I said, I don't remember which specific Changer wires. It is power, the ibus wire, ground & the second power to keep it on beyond 15 minutes. If you look at the wires going into the changer it should be apparent which is which.

I'm not into "pounds of flesh".

m5james 04-30-2015 06:22 PM

So I'll remove the CD changer (which is fine since I won't be using it anymore anyways) and I'll be making the 4 connections from the deck into the CD changer harness, which all should somehow be obvious. Got it.

m5james 05-02-2015 05:43 PM

I hate this site sometimes, why cant it compress images on its own!!! So annoying when trying to get help!!

So I removed the halfass installed CD changer which was secured via zipties. It has a small harness with three pins connected to it, then a single coax cable that runs to the amp. There's also a single coax by itself that runs into the floor but connects to nothing.

20150502_143044_zps0lxlyt5m.jpg Photo by m5james | Photobucket

Someone before me did this funny single wire to 4 wire connection that runs to nothing. Upon closer inspection of the single-to-four wire connection here, the wire simply feel out onto my hand, so someone has been back here before doing something.

20150502_143156_zpsxtmxmk9m.jpg Photo by m5james | Photobucket

I've got three harnesses running to the amp, a single coax running off the amp that connects to the CD player.

20150502_150221_zps1jcgczlz.jpg Photo by m5james | Photobucket

I've got two harnesses (and the above mentioned coax) that arent connected to anything, but I assume they're if I had navi, which I don't.

20150502_150246_zpsnczpf7wn.jpg Photo by m5james | Photobucket

None of this is obvious as claimed...

m5james 05-02-2015 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e30cabrio (Post 1035951)
It is 9, 16, the one above 16 & the one left of 16.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ps3mifr8gb.jpg

Looking at the back of the business cd player, the pinouts run from top left to bottom right like so:

1 5 9 13
2 6 10 14
3 7 11 15
4 8 12 16

I'm assuming you meant 9, 16, 15 and 12 based on your description.

20150502_160148_zps4nvipewn.jpg Photo by m5james | Photobucket

Quote:

Originally Posted by e30cabrio (Post 1036275)
As I said, I don't remember which specific Changer wires. It is power, the ibus wire, ground & the second power to keep it on beyond 15 minutes. If you look at the wires going into the changer it should be apparent which is which.

That leaves too many possibilities of correct/incorrect connections as I still dont know what I'm connecting these 4 wires to and most importantly in what order...the three pin harness and coax that run to changer (assuming the changer has been removed) and if so, how are those 4 wires connected to said harness and coax?

m5james 05-02-2015 10:21 PM

So using these pics I came up with this and it finally works. Onto the next projects!

Screenshot_2015-05-02-17-38-08_zpsmdg9osvd.png Photo by m5james | Photobucket
Screenshot_2015-05-02-17-31-09_zpsrepvqeqw.png Photo by m5james | Photobucket
20150502_185951_zpsqu0gbokc.jpg Photo by m5james | Photobucket


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