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Angeluz 07-08-2010 06:14 AM

Loss of power
 
Just had my x5 on a dyno today.

189 hp 326.4nm

What the hell?

It has new catalysts with new o2 sensors.
New Air flow meter.
New filters, Oil and Air.
fresh oil.

No Error codes.

What could be causing this lack of power?

It is a 4.4 M62

dpgx5 07-08-2010 07:38 AM

Have you ever changed your fuel filter? Spark plugs? Not that it would make a huge difference/change but it might help somewhat. What year is your X, I dont remember what the hp figure is for a 4.4M62.

Angeluz 07-08-2010 07:47 AM

Its a 9/2000
Haven't changed fuel filter, will do.
Spark plugs i will check after work. although just replaced.

Normal figures is 286hp and 440nm (Factory)
Would be satisfied with 260 hp but right now i'm no way near close to that.

dpgx5 07-08-2010 08:05 AM

You do realize that there is a drivetrain loss somewhere between 20/25% which puts your HP figures 230/215HP. I am not sure if the dyno you used has to do with anything. So if there is a 25% drivetrain loss your at about 215HP which is close also depends on the milage on your engine.

Weasel 07-08-2010 08:11 AM

Yeah, as mentioned above the stock HP numbers are at the flywheel and you are going through the whole drivetrain. If your transmission isn't holding up its end of the bargain it can cause the numbers to be lower than normal.

Angeluz 07-08-2010 08:26 AM

I know there is loss in the drivetrain and dyno but we have tested another car exactly the same as mine, 5 minutes later. and it popped out with around 240hp so if only i can get mine up to that i would be pleased.

But mine has an extensive dive at 5000 rpm. and then it picks up power again. (drops 25KW)

I will tomorrow try to change fuel filter and sparkplugs.
Then run it again on dyno to see if it helps.

Angeluz 07-08-2010 08:27 AM

Mileage on the 2 cars differs appx. 1000 miles.

Angeluz 07-12-2010 07:20 AM

UPDATE!
Ok, changed spark plugs yesterday.

Cursed a lot. there is absolute no room for any tools on the drivers side cylinders towards the firewall.

The plugs were missing the center electrode, on all of them. Guess they needed a change.

Now the car is pulling fairly, although i still get a small "delay" in power when exceeding 120 mph. (of course this is tested on a closed circuit ;-) )
Today i will try to change fuel filter as well.
Tomorrow my new setup of EBC brakes will arrive so that i can stop again.

sunny5280 07-12-2010 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angeluz (Post 755255)
UPDATE!
Ok, changed spark plugs yesterday.

Cursed a lot. there is absolute no room for any tools on the drivers side cylinders towards the firewall.

The plugs were missing the center electrode, on all of them. Guess they needed a change.

What do you mean by they were missing the center electrode? If I recall correctly the center electrode does not rise very high from the insulator. Thus what you describe is likely to be normal.

Angeluz 07-12-2010 01:19 PM

the center electrode, was below the ceramics. that's how worn they were.

I know how these are supposed to look, but they were very low.
unfortunately i did not take any pics.

But a change of plugs has really changed the way the motor responds.
Much quicker pickup of revs, and more bottom torque.
I do believe that when i change the fuel filter, it will again be almost as fresh as new.

This is just incredible, the car has a full service book. Always performed at BMW but even the oil filter was the original from new. date stamp was the same as production month. I could litterally see through the filter. Big holes everywhere.

sunny5280 07-12-2010 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angeluz (Post 755326)
the center electrode, was below the ceramics. that's how worn they were.

I know how these are supposed to look, but they were very low.
unfortunately i did not take any pics.

Fair enough. I just wanted to make sure you were aware they're not like plugs in our fathers cars :thumbup:

imola38 07-12-2010 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angeluz (Post 755326)
the center electrode, was below the ceramics. that's how worn they were.

I know how these are supposed to look, but they were very low.
unfortunately i did not take any pics.

But a change of plugs has really changed the way the motor responds.
Much quicker pickup of revs, and more bottom torque.
I do believe that when i change the fuel filter, it will again be almost as fresh as new.

This is just incredible, the car has a full service book. Always performed at BMW but even the oil filter was the original from new. date stamp was the same as production month. I could litterally see through the filter. Big holes everywhere.


The oil filter was original? Pics? How many miles?

JCL 07-12-2010 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angeluz (Post 755326)
This is just incredible, the car has a full service book. Always performed at BMW but even the oil filter was the original from new. date stamp was the same as production month. I could literally see through the filter. Big holes everywhere.

Sounds like the filter hasn't been changed for awhile, but 10 years from date of production is a long time. I wouldn't take a numerical stamp off a filter as proof that the filter hasn't been changed. It could be date of manufacturing, or something else entirely.

Angeluz 07-13-2010 05:07 AM

As far as i could tell, yes it was the old filter.

I think the shop takes a Oil change litterally and only changes oil.
Have pics, will upload later.

Miles app. 150000

JCL 07-13-2010 10:59 AM

You had posted that the service book was stamped by the dealer. A BMW dealer oil service includes the oil filter.

I still don't believe that an original filter will run 150,000 miles. I have seen pictures of filters at 50,000 miles, just not at 150,000 miles and 10 years.

J.Belknap 07-13-2010 12:03 PM

Could you post a graph with the dyno's wideband O2 plot?

Gaskets are good and not letting oil into the coil/spark plug area?

Angeluz 07-15-2010 05:29 AM

That's another issue i have to repair as well.
There is a small leak in to the coil area. which i will have to address soon.
by now it's only a small leak, which i could easily wipe off, but it has started, so i don't think it will be that long of a time before it gets really bad.

The plugs and coils were clean before the dyno test.
Will try to do a scan of the dyno report.


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