Xoutpost.com

Xoutpost.com (https://xoutpost.com/forums.php)
-   X5 (E53) Forum (https://xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-forums/x5-e53-forum/)
-   -   General Cost of Transmission Fluid Change? (https://xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-forums/x5-e53-forum/75803-general-cost-transmission-fluid-change.html)

Roadkill 09-18-2010 12:21 PM

General Cost of Transmission Fluid Change?
 
For those of you that have replaced transmission filter and fluid, what was a rough cost of doing so? TIA.

c4racer 09-18-2010 01:01 PM

A simple drain and refill will take about 6 quarts. Esso sells for - what, $15 a quart or so? Maybe not quite that much. Anyway - figure ~$150 ballpark for the fluid and filter. No idea what an indy service dealer charges for labor - probably a good 2 hours so $400 ish total if you have it done.

dkl 09-18-2010 01:07 PM

Yep...c4racer guessed it correct. My indy changed mine about 2 years ago using OEM fluid/filter and charged me $400 for it. The dealer wants roughly $700 for the same procedure.

Roadkill 09-18-2010 02:01 PM

good info, thanks guys.

Eurosport 09-21-2010 12:58 PM

the right fluid from VW dealer is about $18 a quart, filter/gasket/washers kit is $50ish from bavauto? something like that.
just make sure you clean the bottom of the pan magnets, you'll see the deposits there no doubt :)

BlackX54.4i 09-21-2010 03:01 PM

What's the interval this is usually done at?

c4racer 09-21-2010 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackX54.4i (Post 769936)
What's the interval this is usually done at?

OK - now that is a loaded question :popcorn:

Personally I think it should be done every 50K miles. BMW used to recommend such fluid changes every 30K, then I think it moved to 45K under a Service II. Then they went to a lifetime fluid recommendation for trans and 100K for other driveline fluids. And now I think they recommend 100K, or maybe they are still lifetime - unclear to me which one actually.

I have two ZF tranny equipped BMW's that I purchased with ~90K miles on them. I am going with BMW's lifetime recommendation that was given at the time they were built. I figure if you have not changed the fluid by 60K miles you may as well not risk changing it because there will be deposits and the new fluid may very well dislodge those deposits and cause a problem. I have seen more evidence of failures from a late fluid change (ie. 75K+ miles) than from fluid going bad on a high miles transmission. Chances are something else will cause the trans to fail before the fluid ever wears out. That was the engineering behind the lifetime fluid recommendation. Now for some reason BMW may have switched to 100K fluid change, but I don't buy into that. Either change it every 50K or leave it in there, IMHO. But that's just my opinion on the matter and I'm sure for every 5 people on here you ask you will get 6 different opinions.

BlackX54.4i 09-21-2010 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c4racer (Post 769945)
OK - now that is a loaded question :popcorn:

Personally I think it should be done every 50K miles. BMW used to recommend such fluid changes every 30K, then I think it moved to 45K under a Service II. Then they went to a lifetime fluid recommendation for trans and 100K for other driveline fluids. And now I think they recommend 100K, or maybe they are still lifetime - unclear to me which one actually.

I have two ZF tranny equipped BMW's that I purchased with ~90K miles on them. I am going with BMW's lifetime recommendation that was given at the time they were built. I figure if you have not changed the fluid by 60K miles you may as well not risk changing it because there will be deposits and the new fluid may very well dislodge those deposits and cause a problem. I have seen more evidence of failures from a late fluid change (ie. 75K+ miles) than from fluid going bad on a high miles transmission. Chances are something else will cause the trans to fail before the fluid ever wears out. That was the engineering behind the lifetime fluid recommendation. Now for some reason BMW may have switched to 100K fluid change, but I don't buy into that. Either change it every 50K or leave it in there, IMHO. But that's just my opinion on the matter and I'm sure for every 5 people on here you ask you will get 6 different opinions.

Thanks for the input...I'm at ~65K and have my inspection II coming up...I'm going to have to look into this a little more...

c4racer 09-22-2010 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackX54.4i (Post 770034)
Thanks for the input...I'm at ~65K and have my inspection II coming up...I'm going to have to look into this a little more...

tough call, but I would probably do a swap at 65K if I had owned mine at that point.

dkl 09-22-2010 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c4racer (Post 769945)
OK - now that is a loaded question :popcorn:

Personally I think it should be done every 50K miles. BMW used to recommend such fluid changes every 30K, then I think it moved to 45K under a Service II. Then they went to a lifetime fluid recommendation for trans and 100K for other driveline fluids. And now I think they recommend 100K, or maybe they are still lifetime - unclear to me which one actually.

I have two ZF tranny equipped BMW's that I purchased with ~90K miles on them. I am going with BMW's lifetime recommendation that was given at the time they were built. I figure if you have not changed the fluid by 60K miles you may as well not risk changing it because there will be deposits and the new fluid may very well dislodge those deposits and cause a problem. I have seen more evidence of failures from a late fluid change (ie. 75K+ miles) than from fluid going bad on a high miles transmission. Chances are something else will cause the trans to fail before the fluid ever wears out. That was the engineering behind the lifetime fluid recommendation. Now for some reason BMW may have switched to 100K fluid change, but I don't buy into that. Either change it every 50K or leave it in there, IMHO. But that's just my opinion on the matter and I'm sure for every 5 people on here you ask you will get 6 different opinions.

The current BMW stance is that it uses a "lifetime" fluid, but recommend changing it at 100K. It's a tough call on the fluid change. It's a good argument either way.

Cisc0 09-22-2010 10:02 AM

I'm having that problem right now also. I purchased my '02 3.0i with 81k miles and I'm nearing 90k miles now. The owners manual states a fluid change at 100k, but I'm dreading changing it now or waiting out the next 10k miles and doing it at 100k miles. Vehicle had two previous owners and one of them had it for commercial use in Florida.

Any input would be appreciated. Should I wait or do it now?

c4racer 09-22-2010 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dkl (Post 770073)
The current BMW stance is that it uses a "lifetime" fluid, but recommend changing it at 100K. It's a tough call on the fluid change. It's a good argument either way.

Oh that makes sense - it's a lifetime fluid, but go ahead and change it at 100K. :confused:

Eurosport 09-22-2010 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dkl (Post 770073)
The current BMW stance is that it uses a "lifetime" fluid, but recommend changing it at 100K. It's a tough call on the fluid change. It's a good argument either way.

lifetime :bustingup
of course they don't want you to change it, that way you'll be in a new bmw, and the next person will be in their shop buying parts for the old one.
they just caught 2 rabbits w/out much hassle
if they made them to last trouble free for the intended motor/tranny designed lifetime like 350,000 or 500,000 miles, then that wouldn't make them enough money...board of directors wouldn't be happy

c4racer 09-22-2010 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eurosport (Post 770253)
lifetime :bustingup
of course they don't want you to change it, that way you'll be in a new bmw, and the next person will be in their shop buying parts for the old one.
they just caught 2 rabbits w/out much hassle
if they made them to last trouble free for the intended motor/tranny designed lifetime like 350,000 or 500,000 miles, then that wouldn't make them enough money...board of directors wouldn't be happy

It really has nothing to do with BMW. Modern 5 and 6 speed AT trannys are simply not designed to live for 350K miles, certainly not behind a V8. You are really lucky to get half of that. And at that point with the quality of fluids they are using these days and the cooling, and the filtering, the fluid is not really what is causing the failures. So they call it lifetime but if it makes you feel better swap at 100K. If you want 350K miles, manual is the only way to go. Or 1 or 2 rebuilds on an AT and hope the motor and the rest of the car will last that long. Probably not as likely with something as complex as the X5, especially not with the V8 engine. But I think you can realistically take these things up over 200K with one tranny rebuild. My buddy has a 740iL with 185K miles on it. Rebuilt the trans around 150K and it runs perfectly at this point. Keeping up on maint is the key, and not just talking about oil changes here - this ain't no Honda.

FSETH 09-22-2010 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eurosport (Post 770253)
lifetime :bustingup
of course they don't want you to change it, that way you'll be in a new bmw, and the next person will be in their shop buying parts for the old one.
they just caught 2 rabbits w/out much hassle
if they made them to last trouble free for the intended motor/tranny designed lifetime like 350,000 or 500,000 miles, then that wouldn't make them enough money...board of directors wouldn't be happy

BMW slushboxes don't typically break because the fluid has broken down. It is usually due to something else and new fluid doesn't guarantee that it will last longer. Plus, there is a lot of evidence that changing original fluid for the first time at higher mileage can possibly contribute to a failure.

On a side note, I don't think any automaker uses an auto trans designed to go 300,000 miles. I would guess the average automatic trans life is about 100,000 - 150,000 miles or so.

sunny5280 09-22-2010 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinan e39 (Post 769283)
For those of you that have replaced transmission filter and fluid, what was a rough cost of doing so? TIA.

My indy charged me ~$350 including the fluid.

sunny5280 09-22-2010 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackX54.4i (Post 769936)
What's the interval this is usually done at?

I had mine changed at 108K when I first purchased the vehicle. I'm at 114K now and not problems to report.

cavx5 09-22-2010 10:32 PM

honestly what do you think the life expectency of a 4.4 v8 x5 is...what can i expect for the future...i am referring to both engine and transmission....seem that tranny will last about 80k to 100k before rebuild..but what will engine last...thnaks rob


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:26 AM.

vBulletin, Copyright 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0
© 2017 Xoutpost.com. All rights reserved.