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hotshark 12-03-2010 10:38 PM

uneven rear height
 
whats the reason that i have a slight difference in the rear , one side is higher than the other? and when i drive the car straight the steering wheel is slighty turn to the right. thnx for any help

shooter 12-03-2010 11:29 PM

me too. I lowered it with the the H&R links and it didn't change. Took them out and had dealer putting the stock ones back in and lower it with the computer. It didn't change anything. I gave up trying to figure this one out.

jek889 12-03-2010 11:42 PM

Our '06 4.8 has the full air suspension, and the rear will sometimes be higher on the passenger side. Sometimes it will level itself out, and other times it will stay that way for a few days. Took it to the dealer and they said it was "within spec." I think the uneven height causes the TPM light to come on too for some reason. No flats, no low pressuree tires, just mysterious warning lights every so often. I think the air ride system on the e53 is really full of bugs and suspect hardware. Our front air springs and EHC module went out at 43K mi, and I think the rears might be leaking too and that is why the height is uneven. Dealer doesn't think so, but hey...it's been in 6 times for the mystery TPM warnings and they still can't figure it out.

hotshark 12-03-2010 11:51 PM

my car is 02 4.4i , is possible because i have on front passenger side on the lower control arm the level sensor with a broken link ?

hotshark 12-04-2010 10:01 PM

need more help thnx

hotshark 12-05-2010 09:32 PM

so nobody can help me here

rickyr3857 12-05-2010 09:44 PM

This is happening on my same E53, 4.4i 2002 as well. I have slowly watched the rear air suspension get worse, and worse over time. Eventually I finally got an error message saying "Self Leveling Susp. Inactive". This is generally caused by the wear that occurs on the rear Pneumatic Springs. After time based on the way that they sit within the car they can begin to leak slowly, maybe more on one side than the other. I am writing all of this assuming that you have the Sport Package (fyi). Notice if you hear a noise coming from the rear of your car when it starts up/when you unlock it...you would be able to hear the car lifting it self up or attempting to lift it self up. At the end of this before I finally had my Pnuematic Air Spring replaced it was hissing out air that was not inflating into the bag and I knew that it was time to have it replaced. Have them checked out- both sides. Got the part from ECS tuning 188.00...Dealership (Barron BMW) wanted 250.00 for the part.

Good luck.

hotshark 12-05-2010 11:06 PM

yes i have the sport package but i dont have the ''self level susp. inact.''message on,

rickyr3857 12-05-2010 11:07 PM

for the longest time I did not have the message come on, I probably went at least 6 months with this problem before it finally completely gave out on my rear passenger side and than the message came on.

hotshark 12-05-2010 11:12 PM

and how can i check the pneumatic air spring for leaking

rickyr3857 12-05-2010 11:14 PM

I am not aware of the DIY process to check. Have you just started to notice this problem? Has the problem gotten worse? Have you seen the car come back to a more normal height?

Suspension probelms seem to be VERY common.

hotshark 12-05-2010 11:17 PM

and how was the steering wheel when you were driving straight ? turned to the left /right?

stansman 12-05-2010 11:18 PM

I'm guessing it's likely that you have a bad sensor or leveling controller. If it was just a matter of one of the air springs being leaky then it should level out when you are driving the car.

I'm having a similar issue with the fronts on my 4.8is. All over the place. Sometimes fine, sometimes right is way high and left is way low. Took it in to the dealer and they said there was a self leveling error. They cleared the codes, saying that it can sometimes be caused by parking on an irregular surface, but 95% likely it's a bad controller. Drove it more and the problem persists. I'm waiting till the service light comes on then I'll take it in and have them replace the controller at the same time.

I also get the low tire pressure warning. This is because these cars don't actually have TPMS. It uses the self leveling sensors for this functionality. Logic being, if the car isn't level, then a tire must be low, right? Well...apparently not.

rickyr3857 12-05-2010 11:21 PM

I never really accredited any steering issues to the suspension- although that could be entirely possible. In Kansas the potholes that we have resemble landmines and the road ways might as well not even be paved that is what I attributed my steering related pull to..but I think that could have been entirely possible that the two were related. Is this a major pull that your car is experiencing?

The sport package on the 4.4i 2002 gives the rear tires a very odd camber, and that could WILL cause uneven wear on your tires and possible weird pull? I would draw.

How many miles on your x?

rickyr3857 12-05-2010 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stansman (Post 786029)
I'm guessing it's likely that you have a bad sensor or leveling controller. If it was just a matter of one of the air springs being leaky then it should level out when you are driving the car.

I'm having a similar issue with the fronts on my 4.8is. All over the place. Sometimes fine, sometimes right is way high and left is way low. Took it in to the dealer and they said there was a self leveling error. They cleared the codes, saying that it can sometimes be caused by parking on an irregular surface, but 95% likely it's a bad controller. Drove it more and the problem persists. I'm waiting till the service light comes on then I'll take it in and have them replace the controller at the same time.

I also get the low tire pressure warning. This is because these cars don't actually have TPMS. It uses the self leveling sensors for this functionality. Logic being, if the car isn't level, then a tire must be low, right? Well...apparently not.

The car would not level out when being driven if it had a bad air spring, if the air spring does not inflate..it does not inflate. Driving does not have anything to do with that. Also I would like to add that the 2002 4.4i Does not have front Self Leveling, only rear.

hotshark 12-05-2010 11:24 PM

82000 mi

hotshark 12-05-2010 11:25 PM

only rear

hotshark 12-05-2010 11:29 PM

actualy my car doesnt pull to the right or left ,the steering wheel stays slighty turn to the right but i drive straight

jek889 12-05-2010 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stansman (Post 786029)
I'm guessing it's likely that you have a bad sensor or leveling controller. If it was just a matter of one of the air springs being leaky then it should level out when you are driving the car.

I'm having a similar issue with the fronts on my 4.8is. All over the place. Sometimes fine, sometimes right is way high and left is way low. Took it in to the dealer and they said there was a self leveling error. They cleared the codes, saying that it can sometimes be caused by parking on an irregular surface, but 95% likely it's a bad controller. Drove it more and the problem persists. I'm waiting till the service light comes on then I'll take it in and have them replace the controller at the same time.

I also get the low tire pressure warning. This is because these cars don't actually have TPMS. It uses the self leveling sensors for this functionality. Logic being, if the car isn't level, then a tire must be low, right? Well...apparently not.

Had the same problem with my 4.8. Have your front stuts and air springs checked for small leaks (a spray bottle w/soapy water sprayed on the rubber air bag will show the air leak like foamy little bubbles). You can do this test easily yourself in a few minutes. The leaky air spring is a very common problem and caused the front to sometimes be level when it was fully inflated, and then collapse over time as the air slowly leaked out. It ruined the struts and height conrol module too. Also causes the TPM to trip for some reason. In fact after repairing the air springs, the TIS for the job says to reinitiate the TPMS after the air spring is replaced. Who knows how the 2 systems are related, but they apparently work together with the ABS sensors to detect flats. Most 4.8s have 4 corner air suspension, and it was optional on the other x5 models. If you have the ride height adjustment controller on your dash, then you have the full air suspension system. I'm checking my rear air springs next as they probably have leaks too. I was told by me tech that bad height-level sensors usually throw a fault code, and can be read by the diagnostic computer, so if that is the real problem, they should be able to find it.

sedate_driver 02-13-2011 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jek889 (Post 786036)
Had the same problem with my 4.8. Have your front stuts and air springs checked for small leaks (a spray bottle w/soapy water sprayed on the rubber air bag will show the air leak like foamy little bubbles). You can do this test easily yourself in a few minutes. The leaky air spring is a very common problem and caused the front to sometimes be level when it was fully inflated, and then collapse over time as the air slowly leaked out. It ruined the struts and height conrol module too. Also causes the TPM to trip for some reason. In fact after repairing the air springs, the TIS for the job says to reinitiate the TPMS after the air spring is replaced. Who knows how the 2 systems are related, but they apparently work together with the ABS sensors to detect flats. Most 4.8s have 4 corner air suspension, and it was optional on the other x5 models. If you have the ride height adjustment controller on your dash, then you have the full air suspension system. I'm checking my rear air springs next as they probably have leaks too. I was told by me tech that bad height-level sensors usually throw a fault code, and can be read by the diagnostic computer, so if that is the real problem, they should be able to find it.

I read somewhere the e38, e39, e46 and e53 all share many common electrical components including the TPMS. I know the e39 counts tire rotation to monitor tire pressure so, over time as the tires wear, you'd need to reset it. I would imagine any suspension related problem could affect this by redistributing loads amongst the wheels. Since the ABS system also senses tire rotation, I would suspect it could also be affected. Maybe when I'm feeling more energetic I'll read the Bentley manual to see if it could shed more light on this.

X5EVER 02-13-2011 05:22 AM

If my car is stationary for couple of days then the left front side comes down by 4-5 cm as compared to other side and just as I drive off it levels(almost) itself. Should I even bother getting it diagnosed and replace the air strut? Car drives fine and straight. Thanks


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