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J.Belknap 04-11-2011 01:33 AM

E53 Folding Mirror pics 'n stuff 'n junk.
 
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Today, I tore apart the driver's side mirror to see what was the cause of failure. (Attached picture of instructions on taking the painted mirror cover pieces off.)

Previous threads that helped: (thank you!)
http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...-searched.html
http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...ng-mirror.html
http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...bolt-pics.html
http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...ixed-pics.html
Contact switch by Saia-Burgess/Johnson - V4NCS T7C4
Google search for part: V4NCST7C4ACX
JOHNSON ELECTRIC Product Catalog
Subminiature Microswitches - Johnson Electric
http://w2s.saia-burgessusa.com/ledx/...sso?pcode=A257

Order Here (Minimum 150 quantity.) :(

BURGESS SWITCH V4NCST7C4ACX*|*Buy*V4NCST7C4ACX*|*V4NCST7C4ACX*|*O nlinecomponents.com

or here (Minimum 400 quantity) :( :(

SAIA-BURGESS|V4NCST7C4ACX|SWITCH | Newark.com

.pdf datasheets are attached
Motor Case by Unknown - 641-11A 383-2A on side of case, 713153 REV10 A1 on bottom of case
No information found, but can't see needing that part ever replaced. But, listing the number in case you guys get bored/lucky and find it.
Motor by Mabuchi Motor - Still need to take measurements to determine exact model, Possible models are:
FC-280PC-22125(*1) (*1 = With flux yoke)
FC 280PT-22125 (with brass tip)
FC-280SC-18180
FC-280SC-20150
FC-280SC-16220

FC-280PC/SC

Order here: (still need to determine exact part #, but this vendor should work.)

Kysan Electronics Product Detail Page

.pdf datasheet is attached
About the motor housing with the broken pin, plans are to:
Use a dremel to shear off the unbroken pin.
Purchase two ~6mm long / ~2.5mm diameter steel dowel pins (need to grab calipers from work and take exact measurements)
Drill two holes through the motor housing where the sheared off pins used to be.
Drop steel dowel pins into motor housing pedestal
Align motor housing with new holes into the pedestal/steel pins
Should be a stronger permanent fix.
Lots 'o pics:

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Hope it helps,

- J

J.Belknap 04-11-2011 01:55 AM

Anyhow as you can see in my case the microswitch contact rocker had come off, and both mirrors work properly (for now). I still need to dowel pin the housing and then go to the passenger side mirror, crack that open, and see what needs to be done.

The svisswax wheel brush came in handy for cleaning the guts of the mirror.

chilliwilli 04-11-2011 10:15 AM

Thanks for this...What symptoms were you experiencing?

J.Belknap 04-11-2011 12:38 PM

When I pressed the mirror fold button, both would retract and go back out. All other mirror functions worked, though.

I'm off to find steel pins today.

Yii 04-11-2011 02:14 PM

my passenger side mirror is acting funny aswell it would move slow and would open after i push the button 10seconds later =/ i think my motor is dying

romeokc10 04-11-2011 02:16 PM

Do you really need them, I'm glad I don't have them on my 4.6is, just one more thing to break on these fragile beasts. Hey J. I was doing a search a while back and found your thread on the Bullrun TV show forum, did you ever try to enter, I have a VR-4 also..LOL!!

J.Belknap 04-11-2011 11:21 PM

romeokc10,

Cheers to another VR-4 owner. :)

The wife unit and I are close friends with Brooke (IS250 - Season 2) and Emily (SC300 - Season 3). Wife and Em were supposed to go on season 1, but being the procrastinator that she is, she didn't get her video interview done on time, so the producers paired Brooke and Em up. Then, things changed and Brooke and Em got slated back to season 2, then they got split to seasons 2 and 3 (as you saw on TV).

It wouldn't be far-fetched to say that you could see the wife and I and the 4.6 on the show in the future... but she's apprehensive now about doing it, having heard some of the crap that has happened during filming, which is not my place to discuss.

Anywho, I think the truck would be a ringer. (Thoughts of gravity-fed auxiliary fuel tanks have gone through my head many times.) But, if the wife isn't on board, I'm not going to press the issue. Still, thanks for reminding me to nag her again about a possible opportunity..... :)

SlamminRC 04-25-2011 01:03 PM

Did the motor come with the gears? My motor is still good, but the gear on the motor is worn. Any ideas where i can pickup the gear?

Thanks!!!

J.Belknap 04-26-2011 12:02 PM

First, still need to determine exact P/N of the motor (see above), this can be done by taking physical measurements of the motor. I need to take mine back apart to do this, but if you have your mirror apart... I'm all ears. :)

About the gear being worn, I'm not sure if the motor comes with a gear or not. This requires an email to the mfr, or to a distributor, for more information.

J.Belknap 04-26-2011 12:04 PM

Got an email from onlinecomponents.com regarding the microswitches.

Quote:

Item # V4NCST7C4ACX has a 400pcs Minimum Order Qty per the factory.
We would need an order for at least 150pcs to backorder this item, we are willing to keep the remaining pieces in stock.

We will cancel the order at this time, if you can increase the Qty you may resubmit the order at anytime.

Thank you.
$517.50 to order 150 "pieces" or 75 "pairs" of microswitches.

AW8 08-19-2011 09:11 AM

I just went on onlinecomponents.com as per prior link & it seemed to allow me to order 2 of these @ $4.22 USD each. surcharge of $6.56 so thats a pair of spare switches for $15 !!!

I didn't buy them but this indicates there is flexibility to order lower total numbers of switches........ i.e. to purchase 1 or more.

Have I missed something obvious or am I possibly on to something ???


Interested to see a pic of this item as other link in this thread had a microswitch but I could not see the small attached metal rocker lever.

My reason for interest is I just fixed my offside mirror - brief summary dislodged and bent metal lever to switch......Reshaped & refitted.

It would be good if we can find a source to buy these from. The surcharge is a non issue compared to dealer price for a new housing.



For those of you in USA these maybe worth a group buy..........I would arrange same but I am in the UK & thus shipping & customs costs to me would make it far more expensive for others.

If anybody in USA manages to get some I would be delighted to buy a couple to keep as spares.

Paypal payment from me would obviously have to be adequate to cover costs of parts & delivery.

Of course I may have missed something obvious but every indication seems that these can be bought for sensible money.

I am of course assuming from info via others that this is the correct part !

Thoughts.....

J.Belknap 08-24-2011 07:33 PM

AW8, which site did you order through, and did the order ship without issue?

Thanks sir!

J

AW8 08-26-2011 02:22 PM

No - I emailed supplier & they said it would not go through.

I am however in communication with a UK supplier I have told him I am a member on here as well as an admin on xdrivers.co.uk He is considering ordering 400 of these depending on potential interest.

His site does not have online capability for orders from overseas, however, he will process overseas orders on an individual basis.

Early days & ideally I would want to see a sample as well as looking into best wiring options to fit ,however this is provisionally good news.

I will update as soon as I get more info.

J.Belknap 08-26-2011 02:45 PM

If the offer from onlinecomponents.com still stands..... (they'll buy 400 switches and stock 250 of them, if we give them a minimum order of 150 switches) ....we could team up and split the order/payment and instruct onlinecomponents.com on two shipping addresses, and pay for our different shipping charges individually.

Of the 150 switches needed to process the order, I'm willing to buy 76 switches (38 pairs) and you could buy 74 switches (37 pairs), or some variation like that. If you wanted more, I'd go less. This way, the U.K. and U.S. E53 guys would both have sources (us) to buy the correct part in a quantity of 2 for their X5's.

Your thoughts?

AW8 08-26-2011 03:45 PM

............Thanks for response. My thoughts follow...

Whilst both sites will have dormant &/or non E53 owning members xoutpost.com has 42,156 members & our far smaller site, (very much in relative infancy), has a mere 644 users....That's over 65 times our membership.

The UK enthusiast forum community for the BMW X series models is far smaller than stateside. I fully appreciate xoutpost.com is far more established and has a large & global membership including u.k. members.

I have posted on this thread as well as on xdrivers.co.uk in order to gauge interest but have not been overwhelmed by responses to date.

I am sure many would be happy for us to buy & split a bulk order, with the peace of mind that they could buy from us in event of a later failure rather than buying beforehand. Others might later source another housing or simply live with the defective item.

I suspect that if switches so purchased that you, & I could end up with non recoverable outlay for two bags of switches sat on opposite side of the water.

There could be a market for the switches but only if pushed, say on ebay , as part of an E53 folding mirror housing microswitch repair & replacement kit together with instructions & suitable connectors. That could be a nightmare to manage.

It's not about making money but I am sure we can both think of easier ways to earn the equivalent money to make up for any shortfall from unsold items.

I am happy to help others but not at a loss. I thus presently feel the way forward is to find a retailer happy to sell in smaller quantities & priced sensibly.

Annoying but I think I am being realistic (& in absence of seeing further significant interest on either forum).

J.Belknap 08-27-2011 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AW8 (Post 840792)
Annoying but I think I am being realistic

No, realistic is good. :thumbup: Shame there's not more apparent demand for the parts though. Would be nice to hear more from the OCD crowd that takes pride in "everything" being in working order. Then again, maybe the lack of demand is one of those, "if you build it, they will come" scenarios. Risk? Yes. A lot of financial risk? Not imho.

Totally agree on research to find a low-quantity vendor though. I'll let you know, I have exhausted my searching. If you come up empty handed as well, I will likely just break down and purchase 150 pieces from onlinecomponents.com. Like you said, we won't make millions off this, it's more for the owners.

Really, I just want to acquire the parts to repair my own mirrors! :x

AW8 08-28-2011 03:47 PM

All noted.

Will keep you updated.

Bank Holiday weekend here in UK so not expecting much development on this for now.

I wont go to sleep on it & will follow my enquiries through, even if my concluded report back is unfavourable.

Helmuth 08-29-2011 04:46 PM

Hehe, I would help you out and take 2 and one spare :-)

Hal72 09-14-2011 02:16 PM

any news? I would also take 2 and a spare:)

Hal72 09-13-2012 12:07 PM

bump!

Rogthedodge 02-08-2018 07:09 AM

If in the UK use RS components
 
I know this is an old thread but I sourced my switch from RS Components Ltd. I expect they would ship to the US.
SPDT-NO/NC Roller Lever Microswitch, 3 A @ 250 V ac

  • RS Stock No. 472-8291
  • Mfr. Part No. V4NSYRUL
  • Brand Saia-Burgess
They are £5.72 each

£6.86 with VAT for 1 to 49 units + free shipping in the UK
You still have to swap over the lever.
Connect Blue wire to Blue wire in harness and
Red wire to the white/yellow wire in harness

Hope this info helps somebody.


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